Remove ladders from battle

[Christo]

Do it, many people won't miss them.

You have my vote on this.

[Tot.]

Remove siege shields aswell, they hide behind them. And swords too. We now moved from "nerf x" to "remove x".

Oh, also - dont fix pikes. Not at all. Focus on removing ladders.

[Thomek]

Ladders not ok, siege shields are.

Roofing makes the whole tactics and cooperation part more stupid. First things that happen is that archers run to some roof and the rest charge. There is no element of protecting archers, archers moving with the group etc.

Rather than buffing archers after removing ladders, I'd like to see a nerf of the no.1 archer killer. Cav. Preferably maneuverability and/or lance damage.

Archers get no second chance once they are 1 shotted, and stand a bad chance in a 1vs1.

Roofcamping are also the no1 most popular delaying method..  and probably represent a large amount of the bans and kicks.

[Fatwalrus]

I would be disappointed if this happens.
On my 2H guy in battle I often use a ladder to flank an enemy or approach an archer spot from an unknown angle. Ladders are fun to use and they make the maps less predictable.

Battle is the -only- server my whole region (oceanic) can play on with <200 ping, which means battle is the only opportunity we have for using ladders or tactics. cRPG already seems very focused on large scale siege battle while forgetting about the <40 player servers. It's a little disappointing when any new gamemode or map is designed for large scale warfare and there is nothing new for the smaller playerbases.. but I am okay with it.

I understand that we aren't a priority but it would be a shame if you started taking things away from this group. On our server you get the occasional roof camper but they get votekicked if they do anything too annoying. If the ladder is destroyed the archer has to get down or be kicked (even if it's destroyed by attackers) It works well.. the archer gets the height advantage and cavalry immunity for a while but can't be a complete idiot.

I do have an archer character but that's not why I want to keep ladders, I shoot from the ground unless I'm being stampeded by cavalry or cant see past my teammates. You don't have the inventory slots to take a ladder as an archer anyway, so ironically the very same melee characters that complain about archers on roofs are the ones putting the ladders up for them.

It wont destroy my game if you remove them, but it removes variety and will make me bored of cRPG faster.

[Civilian]

Ladders are fine. At least they don't ladderpult from the ground anymore.

I vote no.

[SchokoSchaf]

I've just played a whole generation as an archer and yesterday was the first time I really used some ladders, just before hitting lvl31. Guess the problem concentrates on bigger servers. If you remove them from the game, you'll just have more 2h spam zombie builds and less shielders.

I support Tears' suggetion - better build maps with elevated spots with 2 accesses.

[jellis]

This has probably been suggested before, but would it be possible to make ladders so that instead of destroying they just get knocked down, so they could be raised again? Knocked down ladders couldn't be moved, only re-raised to original position. This would keep roof campers reachable. Also, knocked down ladders shouldn't be obstacles as they would be indestructible (during a round).

[Glyph]

This has probably been suggested before, but would it be possible to make ladders so that instead of destroying they just get knocked down, so they could be raised again? Knocked down ladders couldn't be moved, only re-raised to original position. This would keep roof campers reachable. Also, knocked down ladders shouldn't be obstacles as they would be indestructible (during a round).

good idea, only abusable by knocking them down on certain places so cav get stopped by it, but still better than the current ladder system.
and once again, ToD is right... damn you are way to right!

[Banok]

/signed but...

problem is some maps you need ladders to deal with the campers. its a vicious cycle. if you remove ladders plz edit the maps.

[Glyph]

/signed but...

problem is some maps you need ladders to deal with the campers. its a vicious cycle. if you remove ladders plz edit the maps.

, but without ladders, there wont be any camping spots, and if you put a ladder on a house which is already accesable via another way, it gets chopped down in a second, so that's not true.
but battle archers were much more commen than those stupid camping mothe......(you get my point).

[Adam_Bomb]

Yeah great idea! Lets get rid of ladders! While we are at it, lets get rid of all the new weapons, leveling up, heirlooms, etc that make this mod so fun and different.  We'll have to come up with a new name for it though...Ew, I got it, we'll call it Native! Great ideas guys, can't wait to find a different game to play when all the melee and cav whiners get their way.

[SPQR]

Guess what: archers will be using ladders to get on rooftop in strategus battles too.

Its good practice to learn how to deal with it.

[Adam_Bomb]

Guess what: archers will be using ladders to get on rooftop in strategus battles too.

Its good practice to learn how to deal with it.

No! you should never have to learn how to deal with someone else's tactics, just cry to the devs to get those tactics banned/nerfed/removed.

[Tears of Destiny]

No! you should never have to learn how to deal with someone else's tactics, just cry to the devs to get those tactics banned/nerfed/removed.

Dis guy... Dis guy right here knows what he is talkin' 'bout. We should listen to dis guy here.

[Fartface]

hmm i think the ladders are good the way they are.
if u give every roof an ladder which cant be destroyed but has to be deployed that wil lead to even more camping since there not in an unreachable place then.