-50% Upkeep for One Slot?

[Balton]

My equipment is a bit over 60k, and by the time I retire I will have made enough to buy the most expensive armor piece in every category (gonna roll black armor with mass IF ).

[Rheinhardt]

My alt is losing money with 13k worth of hardware...

[Rumblood]

If you are losing constantly, I think I was breaking even at around 18k or so. But that doesn't happen. You won't always be at x1 and the law of averages makes the upkeep somewhere around 30-32k in my experience, though mileage may vary. You need to run around naked till you get 10-15k gold saved up. At that point the bad runs wont break you and the good runs will make you enough money to break even.

Upkeep system doesn't need another variable to balance around.

[Rumblood]

First, players either win or lose. This is fifty fifty, and personal skill has little to do with it. If you lose, you get a 1x multiplier. At any given time, half the players have a 1x multiplier. So to say the average player has a x2 multiplier is false.

You're right. The other team is often running around with x3, x4, and x5, which puts the average above x2 

[Espu]

The great thing about upkeep is that it makes people prefer medium tier stuff over top tier. The new wpf system favors hybrids over specialists. These changes aim to make the playing field more varied instead of seeing the few basic char types everywhere.

This suggestion is totally against the anti-specialization trend that's going on. It would further encourage the heroes spawning naked with their triple-heirloomed super sword and nerf the medium tier guy that's trying to be useful to his team by carrying a basic shield and spear for support and some other mid-tier weapon for finishing touches.

[justme]

The great thing about upkeep is that it makes people prefer medium tier stuff over top tier. The new wpf system favors hybrids over specialists. These changes aim to make the playing field more varied instead of seeing the few basic char types everywhere.

This suggestion is totally against the anti-specialization trend that's going on. It would further encourage the heroes spawning naked with their triple-heirloomed super sword and nerf the medium tier guy that's trying to be useful to his team by carrying a basic shield and spear for support and some other mid-tier weapon for finishing touches.

which hybrid when u almost ruined xbow class?

[EponiCo]

Thrower+1h+shield
Archer+polearm
Greatsword+Halfswording
Spear+shield+1h
Crossbow+2h

Just to mention a few. And you can even make a hybrid and still use only one class for the given map. When I was crossbow+pole I'd just pick crossbow and cheap backup gear for when I was shooting mostly, and only pole when I was meleeing mostly. For special occassions I'd take both.

[Dexxtaa]

I don't think it's a good idea.

I do fine with my peasant shirt, shoes and hat.

Just don't be armor reliant. You'll be fine.

[Rheinhardt]

Just don't be armor reliant. You'll be fine.

^ Horse.

This suggestion is totally against the anti-specialization trend that's going on.

I must disagree. Anti-specialization measures thus far have been good, keeping powerbuilds and one-trick pwnies down. This suggestion does nothing to the changes in WPF, nor does it go across the board and reduce all upkeep rates. Players can still be of whatever mix of roles they want. However your example (who sounds exactly like my build sans horse) suffers under the current system because he cannot develop any further than vanilla equipment. Imagine if instead of wearing low level mail he was able to wear plate because he had a 50% discount on it. He can't wear high end plate all the time because he's not getting his armor slot for free, but he can save up and invest for one good piece of gear. Or maybe he'd rather keep wearing mail and get a horse at 50%. Now he's effective light cavalry and can fight even in the 1x multiplier when his team is hurting and needs something to turn the game around. Or he can keep wearing his mail and break out a big poleaxe at 50%, turning from a support trooper to the tin-can killer needed to kill enemies with a high multiplier.

It would further encourage the heroes spawning naked with their triple-heirloomed super sword and nerf the medium tier guy that's trying to be useful to his team by carrying a basic shield and spear for support and some other mid-tier weapon for finishing touches.

As I've explained, there's just no reason how this encourages 'hero' players (who now face better armored enemies and more powerful archers, discouraging them) nor nerfs a medium tier guy being useful. He can now be more useful!

[Ronish]

I also think crpg is fine without this. Just that if it were implemented it should be for 1 weapon slot to deter everyone from using it for blackarmor or armored horse. Are they still more expensive then mid-lvl stuff with 50% off? Sure, but the general point behind upkeep was to stop people from tincanning around (or plated charger, etc.). People who use the expensive stuff now either have a ton of gold stockpiled or have to play most of the time in cheaper gear to save up gold for tincan funtime.

[Rheinhardt]

Maybe some of the counter-arguments need to be elaborated on because I still don't see what's wrong with the suggestion. Would -25% be more to people's liking?

[SharpG]

I fully support the idea, I have a straw hat, linen tunic, heavy lance, and courser and can't afford to keep my courser "repaired".

[Rheinhardt]

If I'm following my detractor's logic, with 50% off the horse upkeep you'll just go around naked on a warhorse.

[Whalen207]

You need to run around naked

Upkeep in a nutshell.