chadz: You have to be kidding...

[Cepeshi]

So... for it to be a real democracy I am supposed to delete his post?

What
is
wrong
with
your
democracy?

If you want to keep him, just say it plain, would be much better and save us a lot of time. What is the point of being voted down of admin powers when you can just ask for them immediately back? What is the sense in this?

[Vibe]

Bjord is a troll
Hardsteppa is a troll
Canary is a troll
Captain_Georges is a troll
Cepeshi is a troll
Chazey is a troll
Christo is a troll
Colonel_Sanders is a troll
Corwin is a troll
Fluffy_Muffin is a troll
Jambi is a troll
kinngrimm is a troll
Okin is a troll (!)

Have you at least looked at the people -ing nuffen before claiming they aren't serious ?

EDIT : Well, Banok is x)

I never claimed they aren't serious, if you meant me.
But this is a nice list really, 80% compromising of wolves/warg (voting because skawtish and murmillus got banned) and byzantium (can't say here since I don't know Ujin's reason). I'd say it's quite a nice proof of clan vote stacking, isn't it?

[chadz]

Please answer those 3 question:
What should I have done,
what have I done,
where did I fail.

[Kenji]

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Yes, all this is nice, but if there was the need for Veto, why not to mention it in the general nomination rules? Something like: I herefore bla bla bla the right to veto bla bla bla if i find the case bla bla bla. Which i have not seen, not that this means it is not in place, just would be cool to know all the details we need to make a sofisticated move. The intention from chadz with the nominations was good, no arguing here, it just got way out of hands.

'Tis an endless loophole, my friend, never-ending..

[Cepeshi]

Please answer those 3 question:
What should I have done,
what have I done,
where did I fail.

1. Not closing the aboose forum after successful vote, mentioning if the removal of admin is temporary or for good in the rules.
2. Just closed admin aboose thread without any explanation.
3. Explanations. Seriously, if you said: hey, i know sometimes he makes errors, just as anyone, as we all are just human, but nevertheless the good work outweights it, so i want to keep him around, none of this flamewar would happen.

But how does it look now? Closing that, sparing some threatful sayings along the way (the bad day for crpg, check announcements very soon thing), a lot of hate cause it is not clear what is happening.

Heck, i would even like to know what you think about the outcome of the feature you offered us. (would bet most my crpg gold on: pissed)

edit: damn thread threat :S

[Vovka]

democracy is evil)

removed from the chat messages "kick / ban" the names of admins, instead, to make the ID of punishment. If someone disagrees he post on forum ID and a few words. If too many complaints on the same anonymous admin - kick his ass.

democracy will never leave anything good)

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I wonder how much whining from the players who absolutely did not do anything for the project.

[LordBerenger]

We need 1940 Dictatorship

[Fluffy_Muffin]

I never claimed they aren't serious, if you meant me.
But this is a nice list really, 80% compromising of wolves/warg (voting because skawtish and murmillus got banned) and byzantium (can't say here since I don't know Ujin's reason). I'd say it's quite a nice proof of clan vote stacking, isn't it?

Well wargs have around 15-20 members. Dont know how much wolves have but its not much more then that. Let say around 80% voted/cared. Thats 40 at best out of 270. I dont have any idea how much byzantium guys voted.

You think guards/vrn/insert Nuffen support clan here didnt clan stack no votes? Dont be naive

[Vibe]

Well wargs have around 15-20 members. Dont know how much wolves have but its not much more then that. Let say around 80% voted/cared. Thats 40 at best out of 270. I dont have any idea how much byzantium guys voted.

You think guards/vrn/insert Nuffen support clan here didnt clan stack no votes? Dont be naive

I'm sure they stacked. Point is, such system is unfair. The one with most friends wins, period. Vovka's suggestion is nice on how to fix this.
I would do it like this though: player reports admin abuse then chadz & admin base reviews the accused admin's action, and not some enraged mob.
Democracy is shite

[Cepeshi]

I would do it like this though: player reports admin abuse then chadz & admin base reviews the accused admin's action, and not some enraged mob.

This would just mean more and more proving would be required from both sides. This might not seem fair for the people playing, as they might get the impression some devs and admins and all with both functions are friends with each other and will cover for them.

[Vibe]

This would just mean more and more proving would be required from both sides. This might not seem fair for the people playing, as they might get the impression some devs and admins and all with both functions are friends with each other and will cover for them.

Still better than what we have/had, I believe.

[Blondin]

This is not democracy, this is popular lynching, the folks need some dead corpse to satisfy their anger.

[Cosmos_Shielder]

Man, come on, man up, stand behind your words and show us that there is some sort of democracy.

I laughed a lot about that. This is not a freakin republic. Nobody did any revolution. YOU DO HAVE NO RIGHTS. It's only a dev team trying to make a very nice game and gaining nothing in exchange. So if you like democraty go and be hired on a political group , but don't ask for democracy here.
They tried to put a democratical system to spot easier admin abusing , according to them it didn't work , they removed it. Nothing more to say .

[Cosmos_Shielder]

This would just mean more and more proving would be required from both sides. This might not seem fair for the people playing, as they might get the impression some devs and admins and all with both functions are friends with each other and will cover for them.

So they are supposed to not be friend to hate themselves , and every dev admin should try to backstab his mate to take his place? What a great game crpg would be if dev where not friendly coding...

[Kafein]

Whoever has the most friends win. Well first I highly doubt that out of 600 or so people that voted, a majority are friends or clanmates of one side or the other. And second, this is still better than nothing.

I'd say, a real trial, with testimonies, etc. and more importantly, a fixed size jury chosen randomly. Each party can demand the exclusion of as many players in the jury as they like when the trial begins, each refused player being replaced by another picked randomly. And each party can use this feature as many times as they want.