Admin discussion

[Fluffy_Muffin]

Hello, there is something that is bothering me.

Something is wrong with the system. Well, it is broken. As you may or may not already know the Admin abuse section of the forum has been shut down after Nuffen lost his powers on vote by the community.

A new thread has been started, the name of the thread is EU Admin Applications. The first poster applying to be an admin is the same Nuffen that lost his powers yesterday, even chadz has voted for him.

These are facts.

Now lets discuss this: I am personaly dissapointed at this development. It seems to me that you can get away with everything if you are good with the right people. Wookimonsta was an admin that lost his powers in the same way as Nuffen did. There was no hype. He abused, people voted, he lost his powers. Perhaps Wookie didnt spend so much time on irc and wasnt so good with the right people.

I personaly believe if Nuffen gets his admin rights back now that the system has failed. If chadz (or whoever is in charge of admins) didnt want admins loosing their power by votes of the community the system shouldnt have been implemented in the first place.

It is my observation (and it may be wrong) that the higher ups think that we were just trolling Nuffen and that we werent serious about the abuse or the vote. What the higher ups dont understand is that we werent trolling. I have spoken to numerous people, we believed in the fairness of the system, we believed that if we were mistreated by an admin that we could use the power of democracy to remove that admin from power. We were fed up with Nuffen so we made a thread, we voted and he lost his powers by votes of the community. I will not say anything about the conduct of any side. There has been bitterness on both.

What we now need to think about is the system. Will it be obsolete if Nuffen gets his powers back?
I personaly believe, if Nuffen becomes admin again, that the higher ups just dont care about the community. The statement that they are making (It will be subtle, masked by the EU Admin Applications and the possible acceptance of Nuffen) is: We decide and we dont care what you think or vote.

I would be fine by that if we were told so directly. If they didnt try to mask it. Giving power to the community trough votes and then taking it away by being biased.

These are my observations and my concernes. What do you think? 

[Prpavi]

Well put sir.

Wonder how long will the topic last tho.

This is crearly a sign of dissrespect for the community in general from Nuffens side and will be a massive dissrespect from dev side if he gets his admin powers back. I doubt that it will happen so fast. But im certain well all feel tha nuffen abuse someday again.

[Espu]

What you fail to realize is that applying is not the same as getting accepted. Until that happens, this topic is completely hypothetical.

[Fluffy_Muffin]

What you fail to realize is that applying is not the same as getting accepted. Until that happens, this topic is completely hypothetical.

I realize that this is a hypothetical topic but seeing how the people in power vote up Nuffens aplication i fear that it will become actual.

What my main concern here is why is Nuffens aplication even being considered when he lost his admin powers just yesterday?

[Espu]

Good, carry on.

[Overdriven]

Do you remember the little disclaimer that chadz put on the nomination rules that pretty much said he can change things if he so pleases?

[chadz]

This is quite some serious stuff here.

I shall install a board of inquiry immediately.

I shall put cmp, a man I trust fully, into the duty of leading this inquiry.

Let justice be served.

[Meow]

I like how people seam to think the whole admin application thingy is a community vote 

and before i forget it:

What we now need to think about is the system. Will it be obsolete if Nuffen gets his powers back?

hate to bring it to you but:
http://forum.c-rpg.net/index.php/topic,2430.msg40786.html#msg40786

[Lansamur]

And here I thought people like me...

[Fluffy_Muffin]

Do you remember the little disclaimer that chadz put on the nomination rules that pretty much said he can change things if he so pleases?

I did not see that disclaimer, if it is as you say and things are about to change i would, as a down voter, be very dissapointed but would still want a clear statement on the matter.

As i see it the reinstalmen of Nuffen as an admin is imminent. So i believe this thread is actual. If that is not so we have discussed a possible scenario nothing more

[Fluffy_Muffin]

I like how people seam to think the whole admin application thingy is a community vote 

I have no illusions that the little man can ultimately influence who becomes admin, but if Nuffen gets his admin back, and as i see it he probably will, the power that was granted by the admin abuse vote would be obsolete. Thus the little man cant influence anything which deeply troubles me

[RamsesXXIIX]

There was multiple things wrong with the admin abooze idea - they just didn't seem realistic i guess.

One of my main issues with this idea is that it tries to give the players a democratic power over the admins. The idea is nice, but the method is not very democratic. At the Nuffen vote, ~400 people voted. As far as i know, there are 2500 unique cd-keys(Players) playing cRPG per DAY.

Its not the people deciding then, its a minority.

[Overdriven]

I did not see that disclaimer, if it is as you say and things are about to change i would, as a down voter, be very dissapointed but would still want a clear statement on the matter.

As i see it the reinstalmen of Nuffen as an admin is imminent. So i believe this thread is actual. If that is not so we have discussed a possible scenario nothing more

It's the last line of the post Meow linked to. chadz apologising for dictator like behaviour, but saying he can change rules ect as he likes.

It's not iminent. Otherwise they wouldn't hold more recruitment for admins to fill the gaping hole that getting rid of nuffen left on the admining front.

[Fluffy_Muffin]

It's not iminent. Otherwise they wouldn't hold more recruitment for admins to fill the gaping hole the getting rid of nuffen left on the admining front.

I hope you are right. But the fact that his aplication is considered after loosing his power just yesterday tells me differently

[RagnarLodbroke]

RAGNAR FOR ADMIN!