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Unless you intend for all archers to be forced into an 18/18 role in order to have full access to our classes capabilities, then you need to add a low tier piercing bow. Balance it as you see fit. But it should be available to low tier archers who are forced to go against all the heavy armor in game.
It should be slightly less effective against cloth, but way more effective against armor than the less than 1 hp damage it does now.

Edit: This is a revisit to this topic. Pasting my latest argument to the OP.

 I made a post after the change from bow damage type to arrow damage type regarding the balancing of heirlooms by making a clear choice between damage and plenty of ammo. I think the difference between 0 pierce bodkins now and the ammo choice given with plain arrows (I've not been able to spam myself out of arrows even with a fast bow) has done what I asked.

However, I think I'm going to come back to my original request, which was to simply add one piercing bow at the low end. After playing around with archery and reading the feedbacks and complaints, I think that balancing by individual bow is just a smarter way to approach balance. Putting damage type back onto arrows has made it MORE difficult to get a good Archery balance, not easier.

Please, move damage type back to bows. Give Tatar and Long bow pierce. Move all other bow types back to cut, except for harassment type archer build (peasants), make the Short Bow damage type blunt so that peasant archers can at least get a decent interrupt.

Then go back to balancing by bow. It just made more sense.
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Re: We need a low tier piercing bow
« Reply #1 on: August 20, 2011, 08:23:42 pm »
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There ya go.

And btw we don't need a bow to make 10 ath runners effective.
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Re: We need a low tier piercing bow
« Reply #2 on: August 20, 2011, 08:39:39 pm »
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There ya go.

And btw we don't need a bow to make 10 ath runners effective.
That comment reminds me of some of Cheapshots comics.
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Unless you intend for all archers to be forced into an 18/18 role in order to have full access to our classes capabilities, then you need to add a low tier piercing bow. Balance it as you see fit. But it should be available to low tier archers who are forced to go against all the heavy armor in game.
It should be slightly less effective against cloth, but way more effective against armor than the less than 1 hp damage it does now.
Perhaps make the Yumi pierce with slightly lower stats would work well.
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Re: We need a low tier piercing bow
« Reply #3 on: August 21, 2011, 03:40:16 am »
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That comment reminds me of some of Cheapshots comics.Perhaps make the Yumi pierce with slightly lower stats would work well.

And still be one slot? DUN TINK LE SO.

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Re: We need a low tier piercing bow
« Reply #4 on: August 23, 2011, 05:51:28 am »
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I think my solution would be to make the Nomad bow 17 or 18 pierce, or the Tatar bow 19 pierce,
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Re: We need a low tier piercing bow
« Reply #5 on: August 23, 2011, 08:03:25 am »
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The point is, if you want to go for uber pierce dmg, you have to invest str, fair deal. Lower tier bows are just a filler till you can get to the 5-6PD ones, 5PDs suitable for the HA, 6 for pretty much everything else. Would be quite stupid if you could deal pierce dmg with the lower tier bows, everyone would just stack agi and be a running whore, and i personally would not want to see that. Even with 18/21 if you want to go PURE archer you are fast and dealing respectable dmg.

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Re: We need a low tier piercing bow
« Reply #6 on: August 23, 2011, 12:45:02 pm »
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Yup...it's all about grinding out those lower tier bows. Invest all your points in str first so you can get that 5/6PD quite quickly. That's what I do. Even with the lower tier bows you can still get some kills. Everyone loves a lucky head shot.

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Re: We need a low tier piercing bow
« Reply #7 on: August 23, 2011, 03:40:35 pm »
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There ya go.

And btw we don't need a bow to make 10 ath runners effective.


Why not?

Some patches earlier one archer alone could stand in the middle of an open field and kill 15 enemies.

Nowadays, one 2h/pole guy can rush into a group of archers and kill all of them.

Cavalry (both lancers and 1h/2h bumpslashers) have a too easy game in open field maps,

and on all other maps its 2h/pole gang bangers that have a way too easy game.

Also, archers are forced to shoot shielders, because they do not enough damage to really hurt heavy armored superfast 2h/pole pussies.

Native is balanced.
1hshield has an advantage over ranged,
2h over 1hshield,
and ranged over 2h.

crpg its all about backstabbing and gangbanging what makes 2h/pole so totally (too) easy.
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Re: We need a low tier piercing bow
« Reply #8 on: August 23, 2011, 04:03:53 pm »
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Re: We need a low tier piercing bow
« Reply #9 on: August 23, 2011, 09:06:25 pm »
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crpg its all about backstabbing and gangbanging what makes 2h/pole so totally (too) easy "archers that shoot you and then run a mile to start shooting you again with the jump-turn-shoot exploit" what makes bows so totally (too) easy.


There, fixed it.
Oh and if ur being back stabbed, it's cuz either you were stupid enough to stay at one place the whole map and you got flanked, or you did not see him coming in your tunnel vision.


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Re: We need a low tier piercing bow
« Reply #10 on: August 31, 2011, 07:14:32 pm »
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this is a stupid suggestion in my opinion...what we do need is a better 0 slot weapon...the simple 0 slot hammer is utterly useless...my MW Rus bow takes 2 slots, then 2 sltos for arrows.....then what....i'm out of slots.....shitty hammer it is.

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Re: We need a low tier piercing bow
« Reply #11 on: August 31, 2011, 07:16:46 pm »
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There is the handaxe, though you need good athletics to actually compensate for the terrible length that it has.
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Re: We need a low tier piercing bow
« Reply #12 on: August 31, 2011, 07:50:32 pm »
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yes but both are utterly useless though.

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Re: We need a low tier piercing bow
« Reply #13 on: August 31, 2011, 08:14:04 pm »
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Archer = Distance Fighting Unit

Archer =/= Distance AND Melee Unit

For an Archer should getting in a melee always be the last solution ... in my opinion ...
... bleh ...

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Re: We need a low tier piercing bow
« Reply #14 on: August 31, 2011, 08:18:38 pm »
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you are right and I do my best not to get into a melee. however there are times when you have to and you just get steam rolled.