Weapons which need attention

[Welcome_To_Hell]

I just bought the cleaver and I have no problems getting kills with it, it feels alot a like flamberge. I one shot most things with it. I don't see any problems there.

Arguments such as this weapon is worse than that weapon don't make much sense, since weapons are supposed to be different, some are intended to be better than others.

Claymore is an oddity, it does not fit the general speed/reach pattern of all the other weapons. Shorter -> Faster, Longer -> Slower.

[Gorath]

I just bought the cleaver and I have no problems getting kills with it, it feels alot a like flamberge. I one shot most things with it. I don't see any problems there. 

Flamberge isn't unbalanced, hence why it's the "Spamberge".  Despite it's speed difference you can feint with the flamberge like crazy and there's no recovery delay.

[Siiem]

Possibly lowering the damage on the cleaver to 41 and add a bonus vs shields and you have a long fast axe there. Like its intended use.

[Fasader]

Length: 120 -> 135 (130?)

sorry but we're not adding invisible reach. It was 110 before by mistake, the model is 120 long

[Punisher]

The Warcleaver definetly needs a buff, either give it bonus vs shields, either remove it's unbalanced there is no point to use it over Longsword in it's current state, the extra cut damage is nothing compared to +6 speed and thrust animation.

[Belmont]

Length: 120 -> 135 (130?)

sorry but we're not adding invisible reach. It was 110 before by mistake, the model is 120 long

That's a shame, I thought it would have been possible to edit the model. I will update my post later on and come up with another idea.

The whole short sword line.

Definitely needs to be looked at, thanks for your contribution.

[Tired]

Length: 120 -> 135 (130?)

sorry but we're not adding invisible reach. It was 110 before by mistake, the model is 120 long

If this rules changes to the length of the claymore out, then why not just give the claymore back 92 speed?
It would still be an inferior weapon with less speed than sword of war / heavy great sword, less length than german or danish swords, less pierce damage and higher strength requirement than all of the above.  Heck, knock the cut damage down a point or two if you really hate the thing.  At least with 92 speed (or even 91 speed and -2 off the strength requirement) it would be usable against other 2h swords once again. 

EDIT:

Waitasecond,
It just occurred to me that the heavy great sword and the sword of war both use an identical model, but have different stats.  Why don't they just replace the skin on either one of those to that of the claymore? they are 120 reach so it wouldn't need model rebalancing according to length. 

[UrLukur]

That's a shame, I thought it would have been possible to edit the model. I will update my post later on and come up with another idea.

Definitely needs to be looked at, thanks for your contribution.

The whole 94/95 line of swords except side swords. Nuff said.

[DarkFox]

milar statistics to the war cleaver except that it sports a "bonus against shields" modifier which makes it a lot more useful than the war cleaver.

4 points in reach and 3 in speed makes big difference."Bonus against shields" for war cleaver will do this weapon OP.

[Gorath]

4 points in reach and 3 in speed makes big difference."Bonus against shields" for war cleaver will do this weapon OP.

I beg to differ.  (He used the wrong weapon to compare it to)

War Cleaver   5046   
weight 3.5
requirement 13
spd rtng 92
weapon length 120
swing damage 43, cut
thrust damage 0 cut
Can't use on horseback
Unbalanced


Great Axe      3247   
weight 3.25
requirement 14
spd rtng 94
weapon length 96
swing damage 43, cut
thrust damage 0 pierce
Can't use on horseback
Unbalanced
Bonus against Shield

As you can see, the Great Axe is cheaper, weighs less, is faster, and has bonus vs shields.
The War Cleaver's only advantage is being longer.  They share the same damage.  Currently the more intelligent choice is the Great Axe all the way and the War Cleaver is only used by stubborn people that have a hard-on for the style (I am guilty of this).

If the War Cleaver would be OP with bonus vs shields, then I guess that means the Great Axe is currently OP since it's the better weapon.
   

[Mala]

Well, i as shielder would say that all axes are overpowered. 

[bruce]

Well, 24 range is a big thing.

[Gorath]

Well, 24 range is a big thing.

It is but you're sacrificing:
speed
price/upkeep cost
bonus vs shield

Range is great, but numerically that still seems a bit lopsided.

[DrKronic]

The 24 range makes a huge difference those are not really comparable weapons

Also don't worry on that 2 speed the range more than makes up for it

As someone who owns most two handers I don't own the cleaver because the dadao makes it obsolete same speed and range and price basically but not.unbalanced

Also until your talking about 5k price difference the repair cost is nearly the same

Also the great bardiche ialso like its like the "big" two hand axe

[Gorath]

As someone who owns most two handers I don't own the cleaver because the dadao makes it obsolete same speed and range and price basically but not.unbalanced

This is quite true as well, which is one of the reasons I think the cleaver should either lose the unbalanced tag (as no other sword has it) OR get something unique like bonus vs shields in order to give it something special.  Yeah I use it because I like the look, but I feel the same way as you do and bought the Miadao and Daodao as well since they're not unbalanced and still do the same damage range as the cleaver.