[Wrongfully Banned Under The Tyranny of MrRogers]

[FF_GeorgeWashington]

Hello Mr. Devilize, I'm here to discuss my unban request and state my story.  On the day of January 21st, 2011; I was playing on your server and taking up a tactical position when I was banned for no reason.  I was in a tower that I deployed a ladder to that was still up so the enemy could get to me.  The timer was about 1:40 so they had plenty of time to kill me.  MrRogers doesn't seem to like FF which he clearly stated in the server when ever I asked about the unbanning of my friend FF_JohnAdams.  If a warning was giving to me and stated that I was delaying the round and not to go up there, MrRogers who is an admin and should have common sense should of known these simple rules before outright banning for reason and instead let leechers run around collecting money instead of doing his job.  I'm sure MrRogers is a good lad and everything but I suggest you rethink giving him admin since he doesn't seem to understand how it works.

[dtrogers]

#1: You destroyed the ladder so no one could get up.  (killing 2 opposing players on the ladder)
#2: You were warned by 2 Hospitaller members prior to my banning for delay of game. (1/21/11)
         You have also been warned by me and other Hositaller members for for the same issue. (yesterday being a prime example 1/20/11 after 5:00pm EST)
With this being said, you have refused to follow the rules and listen to other admins and Hospitaller members.
This ban has to do with you and no one else.  Your previous friends were banned along time ago for existing bans from other admins (please refer to the closed case thread or the active threads in ATS ban list)
Also this is not MY "JOB" this is something i do for the community and the players of c-rpg. I do my best to catch every offender but that is imposable.
This is a ban that i placed not devil, and my ban stays until you can give me a valid reason to why i should lift this ban on you.

[FF_GeorgeWashington]

#1: You destroyed the ladder so no one could get up.  (killing 2 opposing players on the ladder)
#2: You were warned by 2 Hospitaller members prior to my banning for delay of game. (1/21/11)
         You have also been warned by me and other Hositaller members for for the same issue. (yesterday being a prime example 1/20/11 after 5:00pm EST)
With this being said, you have refused to follow the rules and listen to other admins and Hospitaller members.
This ban has to do with you and no one else.  Your previous friends were banned along time ago for existing bans from other admins (please refer to the closed case thread or the active threads in ATS ban list)
Also this is not MY "JOB" this is something i do for the community and the players of c-rpg. I do my best to catch every offender but that is imposable.
This is a ban that i placed not devil, and my ban stays until you can give me a valid reason to why i should lift this ban on you.

1. Actually it only killed one opposing player, the other one killed me and you would of known that if you paid attention.
2. Not only was I not warned by any of the hospitaller members, I was polled kicked and warned by a regular player which you didn't say anything.

Saying that it isn't your job and saying it just some thing makes you sound like a douche tbh.  Besides that bone head comment, you also said you do your best to catch every offender which isn't really a true statement since there are things the players see and report and you do nothing but continue to play until an incident involves you personally.  My valid reasons were shown in the first post alone, I suggest you look into the logs and find exactly when you supposedly "warned" me yesterday along with the log showing me killing 2 people on the ladder.  If your going to ban for staying up in a tactical position that has access, then perhaps it would be a good idea to make that an actual rule to post on the motd that we see when joining the server.  The fact that there was access to the tower and there was over 1:30 left when you banned me makes your argument invalid.  If your going to let a grudge with our group get in the way then Devilize should review the ban when he is not busy.

[FuFu]

I too have admin on the NA_CRPG server and Rodgers is right this isnt our "job" we dont get paid for this.  This is something we volenteer to do for the betterment of the community.  If you feel we are not catching everything you feel is vailid all I can say is too bad!  We all try as hard as we can to keep the server civil and asshat free but we cant see everything.

You play on a game made by someone for free in his spare time on a server paided for by someone else.  In return all that is asked is that players be respectful of some very simple rules.  You obviously are having trouble following these rules or even being respectful to one of our volenteers.  Since Rodgers is the admin that made the ban he is the one to lift it, however with your current attitude I dont see that happening anytime soon.

[dtrogers]

You and i both know what happened. With that being said, i will not put a request in for your BAN removal. If you decide to follow by the rules the let me know. I have nothing else to prove to you.

[FF_GeorgeWashington]

I really don't know what happened, if your going to say throwing a ladder up and using the roof to get an advantage is round delaying make it a rule.  Also did you unban me to reban me, kind of weird.

[Devilize]

After reviewing the logs...

I was playing on your server and taking up a tactical position when I was banned for no reason.

You were delaying a round. please review the rules at www.crpgna.com.nu. In a location with which there was no access to because the only ladder was destroyed. In this case I'd recommend in the future to jump off.

I was in a tower that I deployed a ladder to that was still up so the enemy could get to me.  The timer was about 1:40 so they had plenty of time to kill me.

Your opinion of "plenty of time" and the opinion of 90 other people waiting for you to die is prob quite different. Fact is, your the last one in a location unobtainable - its time to jump.

MrRogers doesn't seem to like FF which he clearly stated in the server when ever I asked about the unbanning of my friend FF_JohnAdams.

If you've read the forums or at least spoke with your "friend" you would know that I've done the best I could to help JohnAdams, but its out of my hands till he can prove his innocence. Rogers has never once said he dislikes you or your clan just simply ignored you. Like my fiance it seems you enjoy taking words or lack there of and twisting them into reasoning that goes beyond the original meaning. Rogers has nothing to do with unbanning your friend nor anything to do with the reasons why he was ban. 

If a warning was giving to me and stated that I was delaying the round and not to go up there, MrRogers who is an admin and should have common sense should of known these simple rules before outright banning for reason and instead let leechers run around collecting money instead of doing his job.

You've been warned several times, you even seen your own friend get kicked and then attempted to troll me by doing the same act. You were kicked yesterday by your peers for delaying the round and now today you were asked by your peers to " george come on" and "keep milking that 1x(sarcasm i imagine)" even without warning today you were already in the right to be ban. Once again I invite you to review the rules at www.crpgna.com.nu. In regard to the "leechers" the admins do the best they can when they volunteer their time to catch what they can were only human after all. In the future I recommend you refrain from stating your opinion on a subject, administering, you know nothing about. Ofcourse, I suppose I'm being a hypocrite since i know nothing about you so all i can say is that based on your maturity ingame and on the forums I could never see your personality ever functioning successfully as an admin.

I'm sure MrRogers is a good lad and everything but I suggest you rethink giving him admin since he doesn't seem to understand how it works.

He is a good lad, and I've considered your proposal to remove him from admin. Took about half a second to decide that the ban was justified and he should remain admin.

Saying that it isn't your job and saying it just some thing makes you sound like a douche tbh. 

I'm not sure how you justify that but I would recommend not antagonizing the admins. please review www.crpgna.com.nu under rules. Try to be civil with your argument.

Besides that bone head comment, you also said you do your best to catch every offender which isn't really a true statement since there are things the players see and report and you do nothing but continue to play until an incident involves you personally.

Yet another opinion on a subject you know nothing about. When someone reports a message to the admins we take care to watch the situation and act, if necessary. After all if I just acted on w/e was said in chat alot of people would be ban unjustified. Like you for instance when this gentleman had this to say...

 01:23:40 - *DEAD* [ITHROWSHIT] ADMIN!
 01:23:46 - *DEAD* [ITHROWSHIT] GEORGE TKED ME
 01:24:12 - *DEAD* [ITHROWSHIT] George tked me for like the 3rd time

When in actuality

 01:22:55 - ITHROWSHIT <img=ico_javelin> FF_GeorgeWashington

he tked you. So in the future keep your opinions on administering to yourself please.

I suggest you look into the logs and find exactly when you supposedly "warned" me yesterday along with the log showing me killing 2 people on the ladder.

You weren't just warned you were kicked by your peers for, once again, delaying the round...

 17:01:03 - Linden_BRD started a poll to kick player FF_GeorgeWashington.
 17:02:04 - FF_GeorgeWashington is kicked.

surly you remember that.

If your going to ban for staying up in a tactical position that has access, then perhaps it would be a good idea to make that an actual rule to post on the motd that we see when joining the server.  The fact that there was access to the tower and there was over 1:30 left when you banned me makes your argument invalid.

I don't mind you up in a tactical position but when your drawing out the round its time to come down

If your going to let a grudge with our group get in the way then Devilize should review the ban when he is not busy.

Seems you are really trying for the whole victim bit. Sorry but Hospitaller doesn't know anything about you or your clan and could care less. Your not the center of the world and nobody cares. You get the same treatment as anyone else on the server and that's how it will stay. The ban is justified good day.

[FF_GeorgeWashington]

After reviewing the logs...

You were delaying a round. please review the rules at www.crpgna.com.nu. In a location with which there was no access to because the only ladder was destroyed. In this case I'd recommend in the future to jump off.


Your opinion of "plenty of time" and the opinion of 90 other people waiting for you to die is prob quite different. Fact is, your the last one in a location unobtainable - its time to jump.
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That argument over the broken ladder didn't make sense since even though the ladder was broken, there was an enemy player up on the tower dueling me which he killed me.  He banned me for going up the tower again but it clearly had a ladder there for access.
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If you've read the forums or at least spoke with your "friend" you would know that I've done the best I could to help JohnAdams, but its out of my hands till he can prove his innocence. Rogers has never once said he dislikes you or your clan just simply ignored you. Like my fiance it seems you enjoy taking words or lack there of and twisting them into reasoning that goes beyond the original meaning. Rogers has nothing to do with unbanning your friend nor anything to do with the reasons why he was ban. 


You've been warned several times, you even seen your own friend get kicked and then attempted to troll me by doing the same act. You were kicked yesterday by your peers for delaying the round and now today you were asked by your peers to " george come on" and "keep milking that 1x(sarcasm i imagine)" even without warning today you were already in the right to be ban. Once again I invite you to review the rules at www.crpgna.com.nu. In regard to the "leechers" the admins do the best they can when they volunteer their time to catch what they can were only human after all. In the future I recommend you refrain from stating your opinion on a subject, administering, you know nothing about. Ofcourse, I suppose I'm being a hypocrite since i know nothing about you so all i can say is that based on your maturity ingame and on the forums I could never see your personality ever functioning successfully as an admin.

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You assume I troll by going up to a position with the ladders which is a wrong assumption since I use a Xbow and it helps me get a higher K/D then running into the battle and getting killed.  I've been warned several times that if there is no access or if I'm far away from anyone else it could be delaying but the tower I was on today was near the enemy spawn so they had nothing to complain about which no one did besides the ban handed out by MrRogers.
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He is a good lad, and I've considered your proposal to remove him from admin. Took about half a second to decide that the ban was justified and he should remain admin.


I'm not sure how you justify that but I would recommend not antagonizing the admins. please review www.crpgna.com.nu under rules. Try to be civil with your argument.


Yet another opinion on a subject you know nothing about. When someone reports a message to the admins we take care to watch the situation and act, if necessary. After all if I just acted on w/e was said in chat alot of people would be ban unjustified. Like you for instance when this gentleman had this to say...

 01:23:40 - *DEAD* [ITHROWSHIT] ADMIN!
 01:23:46 - *DEAD* [ITHROWSHIT] GEORGE TKED ME
 01:24:12 - *DEAD* [ITHROWSHIT] George tked me for like the 3rd time

When in actuality

 01:22:55 - ITHROWSHIT <img=ico_javelin> FF_GeorgeWashington

he tked you. So in the future keep your opinions on administering to yourself please.

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Yes, he did tk me but during that time I didn't see anything become of him except him leaving the server later.
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You weren't just warned you were kicked by your peers for, once again, delaying the round...

 17:01:03 - Linden_BRD started a poll to kick player FF_GeorgeWashington.
 17:02:04 - FF_GeorgeWashington is kicked.

surly you remember that.
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If you read it correctly, my comment was that none of the Hospitaller clan admins warned me like MrRogers stated; It was a random player as stated above and that was because the ladder was broken so I take the blame for that yesterday.  I was not kicked once while in the server today, if anyone had a problem with it they could of vote kicked me but not one went up.
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I don't mind you up in a tactical position but when your drawing out the round its time to come down

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There was never a situation when I was up on the tower with no ladder while the other players sat the bottom, they only time the ladder was broken I was killed along with it.  Never a draw out like the situation described.
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Seems you are really trying for the whole victim bit. Sorry but Hospitaller doesn't know anything about you or your clan and could care less. Your not the center of the world and nobody cares. You get the same treatment as anyone else on the server and that's how it will stay. The ban is justified good day.

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I never tried to be a victim but try to get someone to review MrRogers actions.  I ask MrRogers about Booya's ban and I never get a straight answer besides "He will never be unbanned I promise you that" which was pretty snobby.  I was banned for something I feel was = to a warning at best.  If they hate players going up in buildings and towers, invisible wall them off or make a new rule saying no using buildings to go on.  If this entire situation was because of my delaying a round with no access to the the tower, I'm sorry to disappoint but that never happened.
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[Devilize]

That argument over the broken ladder didn't make sense since even though the ladder was broken, there was an enemy player up on the tower dueling me which he killed me.  He banned me for going up the tower again but it clearly had a ladder there for access.

Sounds like you were ban for delaying the round, luckily someone happened to be there to kill you - yet if he died your ban would be justified. Perhaps your not at fault, ill review with mr.rogers to get to the bottom of this mysterious case.

I never tried to be a victim but try to get someone to review MrRogers actions.  I ask MrRogers about Booya's ban and I never get a straight answer besides "He will never be unbanned I promise you that" which was pretty snobby.  I was banned for something I feel was = to a warning at best.  If they hate players going up in buildings and towers, invisible wall them off or make a new rule saying no using buildings to go on.  If this entire situation was because of my delaying a round with no access to the the tower, I'm sorry to disappoint but that never happened.

Hum, the comment alone is kinda snobby but who it pertains to may reflect otherwise. I don't know who Booya is, not even sure if any of my admins ban him. Haven't heard anything by Booya wishing to be unban. So in the future, since Booya isn't you I'd defer your friend to the forums if he wishes to be unban I can't do anything for him and nor can mr.rogers and bothering rogers (why are you so focused on bothering rogers btw) will get you no where for your friend either.

You assume I troll by going up to a position with the ladders which is a wrong assumption since I use a Xbow and it helps me get a higher K/D then running into the battle and getting killed.  I've been warned several times that if there is no access or if I'm far away from anyone else it could be delaying but the tower I was on today was near the enemy spawn so they had nothing to complain about which no one did besides the ban handed out by MrRogers.

I just quoted people complaining about it. It also doesn't matter where the location is, if they can't access it they can't access it. If they could access then your in the right and the ban will be lifted. My prob right now is to clear all the bullshit and find the truth, on one hand i have information saying you were delaying, on the other your saying that , yes, the ladder was down but a guy was up there fighting me and killed me. Just so much Grey area right now. I might just give you the benefit of the doubt.

Yes, he did tk me but during that time I didn't see anything become of him except him leaving the server later.

Here you go again trying to be the center of the world. It's not my job to make sure you yourself are protected by griefers there are hundreds of people that play the mod I have to watch as well. It's also not my job to make you aware of all actions taken by admins. What you saw was him leaving the server what you know now is that I'm aware of what he did.

If you read it correctly, my comment was that none of the Hospitaller clan admins warned me like MrRogers stated; It was a random player as stated above and that was because the ladder was broken so I take the blame for that yesterday.  I was not kicked once while in the server today, if anyone had a problem with it they could of vote kicked me but not one went up.

 17:01:18 - [FF_GeorgeWashington] hey hes abusing the kick poll
 17:01:19 - [FF_GeorgeWashington] ADMIN

Yes those are the words of a man taking the blame.

You were right though, no Hospitaller clan admins warned you, which is irrelavent, because this server isn't run by Hospitaller its run by me and I select admins from all over not just from the clan I'm apart of. Please review the admin section at www.crpgna.com.nu I also don't post the admin names or their alts. So even though a few admins make the actions seen in the server several other admins you know nothing of watch. In this case those admins warned you.


I will review further and see about pulling the ban since I'm on the fence.

[JohnAdams]

Hum, the comment alone is kinda snobby but who it pertains to may reflect otherwise. I don't know who Booya is, not even sure if any of my admins ban him. Haven't heard anything by Booya wishing to be unban. So in the future, since Booya isn't you I'd defer your friend to the forums if he wishes to be unban I can't do anything for him and nor can mr.rogers and bothering rogers (why are you so focused on bothering rogers btw) will get you no where for your friend either.

i'm booya

[Devilize]

Hi Booya

[Noble Crassius]

FREE JOHN ADAMS!! / GEORGE WASHINGTON!! What you got against early American presidents any ways?

[Devilize]

Can't do anything about john right now but I've decided since Georges ban has put me on the fence I'm going to give him the benefit of the doubt. Ban has been raised. play nice.