Cut Damage Tweak?

[Thucydides]

cyranule can 2shot me with his danish in my 70+ armor setting, cut damage is fine

[Snoozer]

ummm maybe im mistaken isnt he a str build?(kinda talking out of my ass right now i believe i played him before)

[MrShine]

cyranule can 2shot me with his danish in my 70+ armor setting, cut damage is fine

That has to be head shots w/ speed bonus, you aren't going to ever 2 shot anyone in 70+ armor with cut damage otherwise.

E: Votes are still close, but it looks like there is a slight majority of people who think some change is needed as opposed to leaving things exactly as they are.  I'd be interested in hearing if there are any plans from devs to revisit some of the balance on these things

[Phew]

Variation with cut damage is off the charts now. Even with 48 cut, 10 Power Strike, archers in light armor survive held torso hits all the time. Naked people survive a swing sometimes. Meanwhile, plate wearers take 4-5+ swings to down.

I'm fine with cut being ineffective on plate, but it should slaughter people in light armor. Current variation in cut damage doesn't ensure that.

[Adamar]

Cut damage should be nerfed for swords. They shouldn't be able to slash through most types of metal armor.

[Leshma]

Meh I don't slash people anymore, only when I have to. Overhead, overhead, overhead... it's a must!

[Phew]

At least with my Long Bardiche, overheads mean I will TK someone behind me at least once a round, if not more.

Doesn't mean I don't still do it...and I generally don't apologize for backswing TKs, because I shouldn't be expected to run around with my camera reversed just to avoid this. Really, backswing hits should be removed from the game.

[Snoozer]

i dont... i think they r lulz and should be kept i love doing those on accident its funny

[Thucydides]

That has to be head shots w/ speed bonus, you aren't going to ever 2 shot anyone in 70+ armor with cut damage otherwise.

E: Votes are still close, but it looks like there is a slight majority of people who think some change is needed as opposed to leaving things exactly as they are.  I'd be interested in hearing if there are any plans from devs to revisit some of the balance on these things

two clean shots to my midsection in a danish sweetspot pretty much.

Cut damage is wonky, i'll say that.

[Leshma]

Now even more than ever.

Welcome back, glancing...

[ArchonAlarion]

Welcome back game including medieval technology, including plate armor, including its function, ie to be pretty much immune to all but the most heavy cut damage.

[Leshma]

Welcome back game including medieval technology, including plate armor, including its function, ie to be pretty much immune to all but the most heavy cut damage.

So you admit that you suck so much that you have to crutch on armor.

I understand, I really do

[ArchonAlarion]

Nah, not that this will prove anything to you, but I only rarely loadout in heavy armor, and only briefly when I do. I used to play european-ish chars, but I've since changed to this generally more easternish armor wardrobe:

steppe armor
Black lamellar (my overall most common armor, looks nice, feels nice)
Sarranid guard armor (My second most common armor)
churburg or something in that range (occasionally, when I have good ping and feel like playing against other heavyweights, mostly for my main char, Archon, who has heirloom gold and is cav)
Black armor (just to have black armor for each char, can't maintain for more than a round or two, hardly ever use it)

My main set of chars (I have over a dozen) are slightly agi-heavy on average, because I like to be different and zoom to different combat engagements at-will.

So anyways...

[Leshma]

Whatever, this game isn't good because of realism. In some cases realism is just making it worse, like with glancing on heavy armor...

[Vingnir the Wanderer]

totally off the wall here, and probably not doable with the engine, but what if  all armor in the transitional to plate classes 'transformed' cut damage into blunt damage -7 ??

So, a nordic champion sword, for instance, would do 32 cut on a swing, until it encountered a 'plate class' armor, and then would do 25 blunt instead? (32-7=25)

This is what cut weapons DID to plate armor -  they bashed them, and bieng as the higher original cut number seems to be based on weight of the weapon and hardness of the hit, this seems a  logical formula for a 'blunt blow -7 or -8' as well, to 'simulate' what actually happened when a cut weapon encountered 'plate'???

If this could be done, I think it would be a pretty slick simulation and improvement...  :)i say this because not only would it seem more logical, but it would still give a slight disadvantage to cut towards heavy, and make people lean towards a heavier hitting cut rating as the most viable cutting weapons vs  armor.

Like for instance, that 'less heavy' cutter with a 27 cut, is going to suffer more from the -7 against plate, than the short hefty iron war axe with 37 cut;

So with the new equation:

L. Espada Eslavona:       swing: 27 cut, swing against plate : 20 blunt

Iron War axe:               swing: 37 cut, swing against plate: 30 blunt


So, as you can see, the historic cut weapon that continued to be effective in medieval times of a need to get through the heaviest armor on the field , - the big crushing war axe, gets the tactical advantage it should have, and the tapered one hand sword suffers a greater loss to its cutting effectiveness, and retains its stabbing pierce, which was what was becoming the one handed swords strong point historically.

If this could be done, i think it would be pretty neat, it could address any current unbalance, and fix what theyre trying to achieve here, and just make it an improvement to the historical accuracy, fan, making everyone happy.

So is it doable??