NE (Northern Empire) pushovers?

[Gash]

So much shit talk - I think you guys forgot the whole 10 factions coming down upon us.

As I've already written - I don't lead peasants into battle.  To be honest,  I'm laughing at the fact that you're getting little to no action. Serves you right for jumping on the bandwagon.

Why should we waste gold and equipment on lost-causes just to satisfy you, when we can invest them where we have a fighting chance?  As so many players pointed out; Strat is about war... not slaughter.

NE is not wiped out yet, you'll have a big battle to fight if you want to completely wipe it off the map - that's why the villages are left undefended.  I look forward to that defense if ever it happens.

[Keshian]

So much shit talk - I think you guys forgot the whole 10 factions coming down upon us.

As I've already written - I don't lead peasants into battle.  To be honest,  I'm laughing at the fact that you're getting little to no action. Serves you right for jumping on the bandwagon.

Why should we waste gold and equipment on lost-causes just to satisfy you, when we can invest them where we have a fighting chance?  As so many players pointed out; Strat is about war... not slaughter.

NE is not wiped out yet, you'll have a big battle to fight if you want to completely wipe it off the map - that's why the villages are left undefended.  I look forward to that defense if ever it happens.

I think what they are pointing out is that buying just basic equipment for the villages 500 population (4000 troops essentially of the ones uncontested) would not inhibit at all any defense of Yruma castle, but would ahve bled at least 1500 troops from the attacking forces making it harder to take yruma castle.  Most other clans can still fight really well with average equipment.  I appreciate the hospitallers for putting up a fight against tough odds. 

To put things in perspective you are 5 clans (ATS, Eastern Tsardom, Hospitaller, Occitan, and Lost Legion), so it wasn't overwhelming odds (certainly no more then when we were facing RuConquista, Mercenaries, Bandits, ARNOR, Brothers in Arms, CotgS, and Wolves as well as having several large EU clans feeding Mercs troops (probably to see EU beat the NA in the only war going on, while our largest NA neighbor didnt give a single troop or offer any alliance, wanting strict neutrality).  If we hadn't fought tooth and nail it would never have given Chaos the opportunity to join our cause and come to a peace treaty.  By rolling over and dying you never allowed your enemies to weaken themselves to the point where hungry eyes on their borders started talking about joining the war on your side.  You lost 2 major battles and ATS just gave up???  Of course no one wanted to join your side, what person would want an ally like that?

[ManOfWar]

So much shit talk - I think you guys forgot the whole 10 factions coming down upon us.

As I've already written - I don't lead peasants into battle.  To be honest,  I'm laughing at the fact that you're getting little to no action. Serves you right for jumping on the bandwagon.

Why should we waste gold and equipment on lost-causes just to satisfy you, when we can invest them where we have a fighting chance?  As so many players pointed out; Strat is about war... not slaughter.

NE is not wiped out yet, you'll have a big battle to fight if you want to completely wipe it off the map - that's why the villages are left undefended.  I look forward to that defense if ever it happens.

Told you guys,

They are hording troops and gold for a "Super Defense" of some village

There is probably going to be a battle upwards of 20k v 20k in the near future

[partyboy]

Guys strat isn't anything like shield walling against pubbies on our community servers, this sucks!!!!

[Dexxtaa]

ATS aren't pushovers. While it may take SOME of the fun away from people who are attacking their territory, I can almost guarantee there's going to be some battle in the future that you're going to regret calling them pushovers.

Best of luck in your plans, ATS. You fight well, and I look forward to fighting you guys again, with or against

[Gash]

ATS aren't pushovers. While it may take SOME of the fun away from people who are attacking their territory, I can almost guarantee there's going to be some battle in the future that you're going to regret calling them pushovers.

Best of luck in your plans, ATS. You fight well, and I look forward to fighting you guys again, with or against

I wish I had been there for the beginning. Truly, I would have enjoyed leading & fighting the first two and inflicting more damage.

I will return the favor one day once we have regrouped and re-supplied. 

[Greziz]

I am just a little annoyed. Get outta fighting mercs at the hellish hours of the days and dealing with all that mess. See war with Na clan and then they don't even fight after first two battles which were easily the most fun strat battles I have been in ever v.v

[CrazyCracka420]

Hey man, dont give them the inside secrets to strategus.  Let them keep their strategy of non-aggression in the middle of a war.

Right, so you want us to divide our troops and equipment up so that we can put up a fight at each village?  I sure as hell hope you're not involved in any strategic planning for your faction/clan/kingdom/alliance.  Well considering you're an enemy, I do hope you're involved in strategic aspects of your armies movements.

To put things in perspective you are 5 clans (ATS, Eastern Tsardom, Hospitaller, Occitan, and Lost Legion)

ATS and Hospitallers are both pretty big.  We have maybe 30 active people (at most) in Hospitallers, probably closer to 20.  ATS is probably the biggest clan, I'm not sure how many people they have, but it's certainly under 75 or 100 (probably way overshooting there).  Occitan and TS are both pretty small clans as well.  I don't think we have the numbers that some other factions do (especially not when those factions have a 4 and 5 strong coalition with each element being as big as all of the northern empire). 

so it wasn't overwhelming odds (certainly no more then when we were facing RuConquista, Mercenaries, Bandits, ARNOR, Brothers in Arms, CotgS, and Wolves as well as having several large EU clans feeding Mercs troops (probably to see EU beat the NA in the only war going on, while our largest NA neighbor didnt give a single troop or offer any alliance, wanting strict neutrality).

I wish we would have taken a stand for one side or the other...at least we'd have an ally in the fight.  But I'm not part of diplomacy, I'm pretty new to strategus and the factions in it.

  If we hadn't fought tooth and nail it would never have given Chaos the opportunity to join our cause and come to a peace treaty.  By rolling over and dying you never allowed your enemies to weaken themselves to the point where hungry eyes on their borders started talking about joining the war on your side.  You lost 2 major battles and ATS just gave up???  Of course no one wanted to join your side, what person would want an ally like that?

I don't think ATS gave up. After losing most of the troops and money they didn't have a choice to defend each village.  If I was in a leadership role I would have been looking for allies (or at least to entice other clans) that are near our attacking enemies borders, that they could probably pick away at our enemies borders since they are engaged in our territory. 

When you have 4 or 5 times as many enemies attacking your territory from all sides, you have to decide what is a priority.  Keeping troops and money and equipment would be a pretty big priority to me.  You might temporarily take a village, but our enemies are now overextending themselves, and leaving themselves open to their own rebellions.

[Knute]

Told you guys,

They are hording troops and gold for a "Super Defense" of some village

There is probably going to be a battle upwards of 20k v 20k in the near future

I have a feeling it's going to end like this (he's a Hospitaller).

[BADPLAYERold]

Equipping all the troops in your fiefs with say scythes would cost next to nothing and would inflinct decent casualties to the enemy.

[Anti]

I heard after that last big battle ATS just bankrupted themselves, THey probably can't afford to equip themselves in black armor and becs to defend villages, let alone buy enough low tier weps to defend all of their villages.

Saving up and gathering fighting force is probably the wisest thing at this point.

All this business reminds me of this tbh....Though its barely relevant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d0Kq6qiuFTY

[Keshian]

Right, so you want us to divide our troops and equipment up so that we can put up a fight at each village?  I sure as hell hope you're not involved in any strategic planning for your faction/clan/kingdom/alliance.  Well considering you're an enemy, I do hope you're involved in strategic aspects of your armies movements.

I don't think ATS gave up. After losing most of the troops and money they didn't have a choice to defend each village.  If I was in a leadership role I would have been looking for allies (or at least to entice other clans) that are near our attacking enemies borders, that they could probably pick away at our enemies borders since they are engaged in our territory. 

When you have 4 or 5 times as many enemies attacking your territory from all sides, you have to decide what is a priority.  Keeping troops and money and equipment would be a pretty big priority to me.  You might temporarily take a village, but our enemies are now overextending themselves, and leaving themselves open to their own rebellions.

I actually do a lot of equipment purchases and transfers and I can tell you that all you need is 5000 gold to equip a village enough to at least kill 1/4th their number with decent fighters.  Do you really think the 5000 gold to buy 50 more light mail and plate will cause you to kill the at least 125 more your village could have killed?  At least a dozen clan members have to have 5000 gold or more.  40,000 gold and no cost in troops would have gotten you over a thousand and as many as 2000 enemies killed and unable to attack Yruma castle.

hell, just look at the Radoghir castle fight, we had a 100 troops with 1000 gold worth of gear and killed more of the enemy than they killed of us despite their heavy armor, sniper xbows, and becs.

We are really not overextending ourselves since we have taken so few casualties, we have plenty of troops to fortify the villages (which might not have been true if they had been defended). 

I like a lot of the guys in the Northern Empire so im not trying to be mean here, but seriously you guys need to rethink your command structure and how decisions are made in the clan, I would imagine most of the regular members would have loved to at least fight more than 2 maybe 3 battles, devil may care whether you win or lose.

[CrazyCracka420]

Well I agree about the leadership shakeup.  I've questioned a few decisions, and not going out to make external allies (or forming common bonds against enemies) was a pretty fatal error.

i still think one of the worst errors was letting fallen attack a village in our "claimed" territory and then repaying them troops to have them give it back.  We had the troops and equipment to easily destroy the troops in the village early on. 

Our empire could be way way way more organized when it comes to strategus troop/gold movements.  I think a better interface would go a long way to helping organization as well.  Hopefully the beta experience with bring some more knowledge to our leaders (as well as the developers).

[Sphinxer]

Occitan and TS are both pretty small clans as well. 

TS Pretty small ? You sir know your allies lol. I see more active TS players than Hospitallers. Pretty small should be 10ish players .. not 30+

To put things in perspective you are 5 clans (ATS, Eastern Tsardom, Hospitaller, Occitan, and Lost Legion), so it wasn't overwhelming odds (certainly no more then when we were facing RuConquista, Mercenaries, Bandits, ARNOR, Brothers in Arms, CotgS, and Wolves as well as having several large EU clans feeding Mercs troops (probably to see EU beat the NA in the only war going on, while our largest NA neighbor didnt give a single troop or offer any alliance, wanting strict neutrality). 

By wanting strict neutrality you probably refer to the fact they weren't suposed to get involved in our battles, yet they'd go battle for Mercs and charge us 50k+ gold to switch side ? What kind of a neutrality is that :X

[Rikthor]

So much shit talk - I think you guys forgot the whole 10 factions coming down upon us.

Shut up. Seriously, stop trying to bring up numbers when your clan has already been part of a 10+ coalition to attack us. You can't cry about numbers when you have been part of a group that size yourself.