Agincourt

[LordBerenger]

Pretty hard mission to beat in Age of Empires 2 Conquerors Expansion.

The frenchies just spam knights and burgundy spam my old friendchers, spearmen like crazy. And those goddamn castles on the way and finally those french Paladins when u have to bring Henry back to England.

[Overdriven]

2.) After their horses fell dead ... the night must avantage a sticky and muddy ploughed field (in the night before the battle it have rain cats and dogs)

Hell I live in the countryside in England and I know what a ploughed field feels like walking through after rain. I can't imagine doing it in armour, under fire from arrows.

[Merten]

Hell I live in the countryside in England and I know what a ploughed field feels like walking through after rain. I can't imagine doing it in armour, under fire from arrows.

/SIGN

[Thucydides]

so are we in agreement that it was terrain that defeated the french and not the longbow per se?

[Blondin]

Agreed.

But as a french i can salute the tactical skills of english commander who brings the french to do this battle at this particular place!

[Merten]

Agreed.

But as a french i can salute the tactical skills of english commander who brings the french to do this battle at this particular place!

/sign

[Herald_Hardrata]

A lot of the French knights ended up drowning / being trampled to death in their armor actually due to the mud essentially immobilizing any knight unfortunate enough to fall down in it. Also, the amount of French knights on the field should have been an advantage (they had many more knights), but the field was too small and the French were crowded too closely together to fight an effective mounted battle. These factors combined with many of the other factors mentioned previously in this forum made it a very bloody defeat for the French.

I have to disagree with some people on here though who seem to think that the English Longbowmen were some super elite fighting force. They were good at what they did, yes, (launching large volleys long distances), but when it came to melee they would stand little chance against mounted knights were it not for the many other factors playing against the French in this battle.

[FICO]

A lot of the French knights ended up drowning / being trampled to death in their armor actually due to the mud essentially immobilizing any knight unfortunate enough to fall down in it.

because mud gets stuck between cogs...?

[Adamar]

 Those English archers would still be effective against the French knight's horses(which weren't armoured in plates at the time), and any low tier soldier who wasn't protected by a shield.

[Bobthehero]

They had plate armor avaible during the end of the 14th century, Agincourt battle happened in 1415, do the math.

[Adamar]

Dont take wikipedia as a refference. At that time The french knights had plate armor, their horses, still maille.

[Bobthehero]

Yeah I know, that means the archer could kill the horses, they still couldnt do squat agaisnt the knights themselves, unless some idiot looked up just to receive an arrow in face.

[Adamar]

Ye that was my point. Horses go down, riders get hurt and stuck in the mud.

[Elric_de_Melnibone]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JDOG_DdhlX8
hear the sound of the pulled bows and the flying arrows, a second before  the deathly rain comes down and remember what the french men at Agincourt must have thought.

I'll dodge the whole main argument and just counter this one:

The french knights mainly wore helmets, and they wouldn't hear those arrows coming from inside.
Believe me.

I have trouble hearing people when in full gear.
That's why you use alot of hand signs, battle horns (and the likes), or VERY LOUD SHOUTING.

[Arrowblood]

i think the englishmen had mauls with croushtrough for the sticks infront of them.