Long spears aka pikes

[Gorath]

TRUE PROBLEM: LACKING PIKE OVERHEAD THRUST

[22nd_Hawk_Cmdr_Harlequin]

Facehug solve everything? Bwahawhhawhawhawhhaw 

Spinstab usually onehit me if I facehug the piker even with black lamellar.

Kick+spinstab +polestun = you're dead twice.

[DaveUKR]

Long Spear is already nerfed as hell. I'd suggest to wait for new warband patch => WSE implemented => ground collision detection => no groundstabs => less abusers.

The problem is that weapon speed doesn't define the speed of movements using weapon, it only defines the speed of attack. So actually giving "unbalanced" tag and giving some speed to long spears can do shit.

[[ptx]]

AFAIK, weapon length affects movement speed - thus, pikemen have slower movement speed than other people.

[Mala]

I agree with Joxer. If someone manages to beat you 1on1 with a pike long spear, you're just bad.

If he dont use exploits sure, but wait  ... .

[Mtemtko]

Ability to jump 5 meters away, stab at point blank range, twohit anyone, onehit to face, stab twice in 3 seconds... yeah sometimes it makes me wonder..

[Xol!]

AFAIK, weapon length affects movement speed - thus, pikemen have slower movement speed than other people.

And yet it's totally possible to run a 12/27, 4 PS, 9 Athletics, 9 WM, 170+ wpf long spear build.  I doubt the length penalty will counterbalance 9 athletics.

[Dasty]

As a longspear user, the only problem I currently see with the weapon is that the overhead goes through friendlies and can still hit enemies, through them. I only overhead when its necessary and it makes me sad to see people running around with a group using only the overhead so they can rack up the kills with no risk of hitting a team mate. Other than that, if you lose to a pikeman 1v1 or 1v3(pike is the 1), you were bested with skill as all you need to do is downblock until you hear the clank of the blocked spear... then you get your shot!

Just because a few people are very good with certain weps, doesn't mean the weps are OP. 

[Xant]

Ability to jump 5 meters away, stab at point blank range, twohit anyone, onehit to face, stab twice in 3 seconds... yeah sometimes it makes me wonder..

With my 8 PS polearm alt I was onehitting with long spear as often as not 

It's just a super gay weapon. Removing overhead would fix it though, IMO. Now it's just retarded, you simply can't fight a decent pikeman+decent someone else. Not to even mention these pikehordes that are running around the servers nowadays. Especially with the, you know, overhead that goes through teammates.

[Xol!]

As a longspear user, the only problem I currently see with the weapon is that the overhead goes through friendlies and can still hit enemies, through them. I only overhead when its necessary and it makes me sad to see people running around with a group using only the overhead so they can rack up the kills with no risk of hitting a team mate. Other than that, if you lose to a pikeman 1v1 or 1v3(pike is the 1), you were bested with skill as all you need to do is downblock until you hear the clank of the blocked spear... then you get your shot!

Just because a few people are very good with certain weps, doesn't mean the weps are OP.

Unfortunately, there's nothing that can be done to change poles going through teammates at the moment.  I vote for overhead removal until WSE gets implemented.

[Mtemtko]

With my 8 PS polearm alt I was onehitting with long spear as often as not 

Eh? Did you see dado when he was pike build? 18/18 non loomed pike, he always hit the heads and onehit almost everyone with speed bonus...

[Joxer]

If he dont use exploits sure, but wait  ... .

A) I dont use a pike. B) I never used spin thrusts. C) I get owned by good pikers all the time and I curse them to lowest hells but I dont come in here crying about it.

[[ptx]]

And yet it's totally possible to run a 12/27, 4 PS, 9 Athletics, 9 WM, 170+ wpf long spear build.  I doubt the length penalty will counterbalance 9 athletics.

I had a 9/30 long spear char once, it was god-awful. And yeah, it does counterbalance 9 or even 10 athlethics, not to mention that you glance constantly with 3 PS when being facehugged.

[Lordark]

Just get rid of longspear. It was a stupid idea to begin with. Did the devs just decide to ignore the bambooo stick to give themselves something else to nerf cav with? Its really obnoxious weapon and I personally wont stop questing on yon forums till its existence is wiped from this middle earth. In the meantime the lolstabs of terror will continue.

[Mala]

A) I dont use a pike. B) I never used spin thrusts. ...

Aww, great short time memory.