Long spears aka pikes

[Gorath]

why do i see references to the length of war & peace everywhere but it's not that long. i expected it to be 6000 pages or something. disappoint.

1475 pages (at least the copy I have).  That's not exactly your typical novel (usually 500-600 pages in my experience).  Of course the point was that compared to the "anything over 5 sentances is too fucking long" mentality prevalent nowadays, 1400+ pages is a library in a single book.

[Tot.]

I like how in this day and age people are so hyperactive that three or four paragraphs on a forum (not a chat mind you, but a forum) is considered not compact...

I really don't care enough what some random dude has to say unless it's interesting and short. I guess it must be a shocker to some that some people prefer reading ie. books instead of wasting hours on reading chats or forums, eh, this new generation.

[Xant]

Well, you could have read his post in a much quicker time than it took you to read and reply to ToD's post, y'know.

[Kafein]

You guys remember Joker86 back in the good o'll taleworlds forum days ?


He used to make posts that took one entire page. His ideas weren't so bad yet nobody read them because it was "too long".

[Cyclopsided]

Case. In. Point.

[Vibe]

Back on topic, Long spears and Pikes are way way waaaaaaaay too overused. There was atleast a third people using them yesterday on EU4 (I think). Like the OP said, it's the best anti cav weapon AND the best melee support weapon, while still being able to block as if you were blocking with a balanced 1h/2h. Also a good K/D weapon, simply because you steal everyones kills and the range keep you away from danger until you're the last one alive

Nerf long spear speed and nerf Pike speed even more OR nerf the damage on both and make it a cav stopping weapon only.

[Christo]

I hate when people start overusing a damned weapon, forumites will not stop posting until they get their desired nerf pills.


Lobbyists these days..

[Vibe]

People overuse it for a reason.

Long Spear today:

- uberreach
- polestun
- decent pierce damage
- lolstab
- cav immunity

[Cyclopsided]

speed, speed, speed.
Again, absolutely none of the issues being complained about are caused by speed or related to speed.
In fact, lolstabbing and 180-stabs are BETTER & EASIER with lower speed.
I love you guys. Also, I find it kind of humorous that it took this long for Long spears to become the flavor of the month in europe -- considering you guys are all about length control and first hit over on that side of the pond. It would naturally be good there with your metagame.

Give it a little time, I can see you guys are having trouble adjusting to it yet. Teamwork is a beautiful thing (although overheading through teammates with impunity isn't.)

[Vibe]

speed, speed, speed.
Again, absolutely none of the issues being complained about are caused by speed or related to speed.
In fact, lolstabbing and 180-stabs are BETTER & EASIER with lower speed.

If I spam at Pike they won't be able to attack back and lolstab me. They can with Long Spear however, so it is about speed too.
And isn't speed pretty much everything they can nerf without WSE? Weapon collisions can't be fixed until then, so spin stabs will still exists.

[Gorath]

If I spam at Pike they won't be able to attack back and lolstab me. They can with Long Spear however, so it is about speed too.

So....
This is about making sure you can blatantly spam someone to death because their weapon is mechanically incapable of fighting back regardless of player skill?

Why would we want this?

[Vibe]

So....
This is about making sure you can blatantly spam someone to death because their weapon is mechanically incapable of fighting back regardless of player skill?

Why would we want this?

Like I said, I doubt there's anything else they can do before WSE is active. I agree this is not the best change and I hate to win with spamming, but until those pikes/long spears bounce at every attack closer than 1m+ and spinstabs are obsolete, I don't think there's anything else I can lobby for.

[Gorath]

Like I said, I doubt there's anything else they can do before WSE is active. I agree this is not the best change and I hate to win with spamming, but until those pikes/long spears bounce at every attack closer than 1m+, I don't think there's anything else I can lobby for.

Are we going to do the same for every 2her and polearm?  While making sure that 1hers never bounce at facehug range?

If so then I'd support your lobby.  Otherwise it's just some random bias.

[Vibe]

Are we going to do the same for every 2her and polearm?  While making sure that 1hers never bounce at facehug range?

If so then I'd support your lobby.  Otherwise it's just some random bias.

Yes, every 2h and polearm should get this. Ofcourse shorter 2h and polearms bounce range would be shorter. And no, 1hers shouldn't bounce at facehug range, infact I would even make the 1h thrust work at facehug without the spinstab (now it mostly, if not completely, bounces).

[Fartface]

alright im  an piker for an very long time.
my opinion on this.
1. i think its weird that i can do the copters and pike wiggles and shit to defend myself.
2. but at the other hand it isnt OP.
3. there are ony like 4 eu  realy deticated pikemans.
that would be me Pikemaster _Darian, craftybadger,trollses.
4. most of the time i do get good scores and sometimes top the scoreboard, but if u just know that i have been using an pike for over an year its not such an weird thing, 2h with the same expierience top the scoreboard to.
5. sometimes the pikewiggle doesnt work and ul get spammed.
 if i decide to use an glaive im just way better of in the duels.
dont hate on me these are my opinions if u disagree just post