Why does we have this slow grind? *CURIOUS*

[Grey]

Thanks for wasting your time sir, your trollery is much appreciated.

I dont get it: WHY is he trolling: he is just sharing (I believe) the vast majority of cRPG's players opinion: THERE IS NO GRINDING between 30 and 31: Sure it takes a long time, but your AIM in crpg isnt to retire nonstop, its to have fun playing crpg, at lvl 30 your toon is finished, hes fighting fit, got all good stats, can compete with anyone: If all you want is to get more retirements and levels all day, why not play games designed to be time sinks? There are plenty of them, Blizzard have a popular one called WoW, a game purely designed to make its players spend as long as possible online and so need to keep paying them money: This game is for fun, to test your skill against others, to irritate great big heroes by shooting them, to hand out with your friends and meanly gank helpless peasants, to make characters who throw Stones that hit like Mac Trucks.

If any player REALLY believes that having slightly better gear is going to make them better players, or that retireing is the main goal *I know we all like to retire, we all like shiney new gear* then they need to find another game, IMHO, cause this game is for FUN. Enjoy it, or dont play it: dont complain that you don't enjoy it, you haven't spent any money on it, chadz and the devteam dont OWE you anything, and noone is keeping anyone here against anyone else's will, as far as I know.

In short: Stop WHINEING!

[Corrado_Decimo]

I dont get it: WHY is he trolling: he is just sharing (I believe) the vast majority of cRPG's players opinion: THERE IS NO GRINDING between 30 and 31: Sure it takes a long time, but your AIM in crpg isnt to retire nonstop, its to have fun playing crpg, at lvl 30 your toon is finished, hes fighting fit, got all good stats, can compete with anyone: If all you want is to get more retirements and levels all day, why not play games designed to be time sinks? There are plenty of them, Blizzard have a popular one called WoW, a game purely designed to make its players spend as long as possible online and so need to keep paying them money: This game is for fun, to test your skill against others, to irritate great big heroes by shooting them, to hand out with your friends and meanly gank helpless peasants, to make characters who throw Stones that hit like Mac Trucks.

If any player REALLY believes that having slightly better gear is going to make them better players, or that retireing is the main goal *I know we all like to retire, we all like shiney new gear* then they need to find another game, IMHO, cause this game is for FUN. Enjoy it, or dont play it: dont complain that you don't enjoy it, you haven't spent any money on it, chadz and the devteam dont OWE you anything, and noone is keeping anyone here against anyone else's will, as far as I know.

In short: Stop WHINEING!

i have fun playing and i also have fun fine tuning my gear and my build. what's wrong with it?

and i think the majority just like to "pwn" because every patch there is a mass build-change. for instance the massive xbow spam in this patch, the massive polearm spam after 2h nerf, the massive barmace spam in january, the massive morningstar spam pre-january, the massive archery spam in december 2010, the peasant-on-a-plated-charger when we didn't have upkeep, the old "bec de corbin" abuse in 2010, and so on.

besides that, me and pully startd the "morningstar PS10 crushthru" fashion in october. but after all, i'm still 2handed. yes i like crushthru weapons. i abused morningstar, barmace, mallet... now i roll with a dedicated great maul blockcrusher but i haven't rolled a "easymode fotm" build followed by a patch buff.

so there is people that like to "pwn", people that don't give a damn and still roll with his build since first cRPG beta, there is people that like to try funny builds (10PT stones, etc...).

[Gorath]

And what is with this 'grinding' obsession? Retire when you feel like a fresh start or when you're bored with your current build and want the challenge of being a lowbie.

lol sir.  This is completely inefficient and completely wasting all the time you've put into the grind to 31 to get that heirloom either to keep for increased effectiveness on the field or to sell for large sums of gold so you don't ever have to worry about upkeep again.  Doing inefficient things is rather stupid in most people's eyes.  The game involves stats, therefore it automatically involves high levels of min/maxing as well.

And the people that think having lordly armor, gloves, helmet and boots along with a masterwork weapon vs a first gen with none of those items isn't sitting at a very large advantage are either naive, trolling, or lying to themselves.  Let's cut the crap and be honest here.  Goretooth is a good player, sure.  But he's not even nearly close to as effective on the field without the full 3x black armor/heavy guantlets/black plated boots/bec combo of his that let's him ignore 9 out of 10 attacks.

[Turkhammer]

Gorath, do think it's even possible to start today and get the money and equipment that someone like Goretooth has?

[Goretooth]

lol sir.  This is completely inefficient and completely wasting all the time you've put into the grind to 31 to get that heirloom either to keep for increased effectiveness on the field or to sell for large sums of gold so you don't ever have to worry about upkeep again.  Doing inefficient things is rather stupid in most people's eyes.  The game involves stats, therefore it automatically involves high levels of min/maxing as well.

And the people that think having lordly armor, gloves, helmet and boots along with a masterwork weapon vs a first gen with none of those items isn't sitting at a very large advantage are either naive, trolling, or lying to themselves.  Let's cut the crap and be honest here.  Goretooth is a good player, sure.  But he's not even nearly close to as effective on the field without the full 3x black armor/heavy guantlets/black plated boots/bec combo of his that let's him ignore 9 out of 10 attacks.

You seen Goretooth at strat battles?

[Slantedfloors]

Goretooth had a pretty high up KDR in LLJK's last strat battle, and that's with EU ping and our equipment being absolute shit.

[Gorath]

You seen Goretooth at strat battles?

I gave you your credit for being a good player.  Don't selectively ignore that.  I said you're not nearly AS EFFECTIVE.  However in strat battles of course you're going to do proportionally well since while you don't have those heirlooms, neither does anyone else.  As far as on the BATTLE servers however which is where those heirlooms show up and thus the only servers that retirement has any effect really your 3x heirloomed everything does indeed make a large difference.  To deny that is to straight up lie.

[Fartface]

i do think they need to find of another way to get xp.
right now with the ticks i dont realy get any reward for killing 8 players in one round.
i still am motivated to do it and just help my team out by playing smart etc, but like alotof players just run themself to the enemy and let them kill them and then people like me have to do the work for them.
or you got players dying in the first round and kickpolling u because are on a high position with 2 more archers ....

[Kalam]

 This has been said, but it needs to be emphasized. This game is awesome because we have a development team that doesn't profit from the mod. They take steps to ensure they are advancing a game they would like to play.

 Thanks to that, we've got the wonderful choice of grind or no grind. I'm not going to lie, if skip the fun was around when I first joined, I would never have retired. However, for those who do like to grind, constant retirement is an option.

 There is absolutely nothing forcing you to retire. It's not like there are heirlooms in Strategus.

 It's a choice. You can't pick both, and there's no real reason to complain about the grinders because when it comes to combat, it's always going to be a question of avoiding more mistakes than your opponents. Sure, this forces skip the fun characters and others who don't retire to make even fewer mistakes than someone with triple-heirloomed plate, but hey, it was our choices that led us here in the first place.

I mean, it's the same as choosing to wear a peasant shirt versus plate. You could have that advantage, but why bother when you can have more fun without it?

[Gorath]

It's not like there are heirlooms in Strategus.

True.  And I suppose that's where alot of the crap comes from.  The game is focused on strat, when in reality basic cRPG is what we play the large majority of the time.  If we're even interested in strat and it's drama at all.

[Baggy]

Ill just say something kinda aimed at the OP.If you think cRPG grind is bad you shouldn't touch a game like WoT (World of Tanks).I always found the cRPG grind fine quite light then i found that game and boy am I glad that cRPG aint 1/10 that grindy.

[Fartface]

well back when i had my gen 9 char , i didnt care about grinding since i already had my shit at order.
i already had an MW LHB, an mw heraldic mail and  mw gloves.
but now i had to start over.
im kinda a bit weaker than people of equal skill and with all the heirlooms,most of the time i do just fine but yeah.

[Goretooth]

Complete bs not as effective? i'm probably more effective without the armor. I just wear it to piss off people and not get one shotted by ranged.

[Gorath]

Complete bs not as effective? i'm probably more effective without the armor. I just wear it to piss off people and not get one shotted by ranged.

Yeah, you're right.  What was I thinking.  A full regalia of masterworked top-tier items makes no difference at all.  In fact it's completely gimping yourself to get heirlooms.  My bad.
 

[marco1391]

Complete bs not as effective? i'm probably more effective without the armor. I just wear it to piss off people and not get one shotted by ranged.

Yeah I guess 86 body armor isn't that useful after all
Anyway reguarding the heirloom I think some are close to be game breaking, for example a full set of heirloomed armor makes a huge difference and also on crossbows it's totally different to have a normal arbalest with normal bolts compared to heirloomed ones, if I were on the dev team I would limit the use of them to 9 total points(3 mw items)to keep the difference with casual players not too far, but I suppose this would never be accepted by players that grinded to have a full set of everything