again it seems i have to restate why i put WE since you cant read my other posts, i did not think to put vorren, i did not know you would jump on one word, i know it doesn't matter because you will turn n twist it around but you can read again that even in the chat log you show vorren said he will have to hammer out the details, he was up for vassalage because he though you were big as well as strong. When i finally had time to sit down and look , i saw you were neither, having merely gave villages away and told them to become vassals because you could not fight them all at once. i saw you were not strong enough to with hold us, and you still are not, the grey order though is, they have the power to do so, but had i known your ties with grey order from the beginning i would never had to consider vorrens proposal of vassalage, i would of said No in a heart beat. I did not like grey order in the last strategus i do not like them now, they sneak attacked kindgom of the rose with DRZ and attacked both my castle and village with out heeded warning. no matter what you say or do, you are not strong enough YOURSELF to be allowed vassals imo, you are piggy backing grey order and acting as though you have real power.
good day sir
