I want the old ladders back

[Joker86]

Hi!

Again the title says everything: the new ladders only work in one of three or four attempts as planned. In the other cases they get stuck right after spawning in an obstacle behind you, or just in the air itself without noticeable reason. If the ladder manages to touch the object you want to lean it to, in many cases it stops 2 or 3m UNDER the top of the object, making the whole ladder completely useless!

Ladders are very important for me, as I often try to make my team use tactics, and ladders are a great help, because they magically attract players. Yesterday night we were playing this FUCKING map with the Swadian/Rhodok castle, where the defender spawn next to the inner circle of walls, the attackers spawn in front of the outer walls. 

I told my team after 2 lost rounds "Follow me, I know a way", I took three ladders (I need only 2, but I knew about the buggy ladders, so I went for sure), I placed the first one on the outer walls, it worked, we climbed up, then I jumped onto some roofs to place a ladder the defenders can't reach (and destroy) from the inner wall, but BOTH ladders simply stopped midair right after spawning. There was no obstacle or anything else! My plan failed although nobody has made any mistake, our team got scattered, all of us had to lose 30% life by jumping off that roof, and we won only because of the defenders getting bored and looking for us in the streets. With some luck we won the first fights, regrouped again and won the map. But this can't be explained by something else than luck. If the defenders stayed in the inner circle we would have lost without chance.

So please do something about it, change it back to pre-patch-ladders, I don't want to disappoint my team and get disgraced by shitty working ladders again. 

[Balton]

Ladders should be removed, it's so annoying when you flank the opposing team and can't do anything because they have archers on roofs which you can't get to, and attacking the infantry from behind just gets you pelleted by those archers.

[Gristle]

Ladders should NOT be removed, as they promote good tactics and thinking.

[Babelfish]

Ladders should be removed, as they promote lame tactics.

There, fixed that for ya 

[Joker86]

I know what you mean, and partially I have the same opinion.

But I always try to use MY ladders in a fair way. Placing a ladder which is unreachable for the defender seems just fair for me on the map I described. Otherwise I wouldn't do.

And if I could decide it, I would make it bannable to destroy ladder which lead up to your position. Archers should be reachable by infantry all the time, not only at the end of the round by forcing them to jump down. I often play as infantry. I would like archers not being allowed to shoot me unless I am the last survivor 

On one hand I think: make ladders undestructible. This would solve the problem of archers on unreachable rooftops. But it would create new problems, as I think it's totally okay to kill a ladder the enemy places to reach your elevated position. Also some jerks could permanently block some (or all) entrances on some maps. So this is no solution. A difficult matter, like teamkill punishment. It depends on the situation rather than on facts. 

But to get back to topic: if you want to fix lame ladder tactics, then please remove ladders. But keeping them with their current shitty code is just useless, and it punishes the players who are willing to sacrifice one or more weapon slots to their team. 

[zagibu]

Yeah, that they only stop INSIDE the object you want to lean it against is bullshit and has to be fixed. However, I think it's good that they can no longer freely move through obstacles during the rise. That lead to many problems, such as defenders being pushed off castle walls because some exploiter put down a ladder with his back against the wall. Also, it fixes many problematic positions, where ladders can no longer be placed.

To fix ladders in battle make them only destructible by the opposing team?

[rustyspoon]

Personally, I am not a fan of ladders in battle maps. I find that most people use them in bullshit ways - such as reaching places they shouldn't be allowed to go - and then destroying the ladder.

For the love of god though, please fix ladders for siege maps. There are a lot of siege maps on the NA siege server that have only 1 entrance. That coupled with the defending team spamming construction sites on that one entrance makes it impossible for attackers. Especially since the ladders don't stop at the top of the walls and instead pass through them, eventually settling somewhere in the middle of the wall. Please fix those horrible ladders.

[Puppybull]

BRING OLD LADDERS BACK TY

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[Joker86]

To fix ladders in battle make them only destructible by the opposing team?

THAT'S THE SOLUTION 

Edit: btw ladderpulting is a minor issue, I think, as it gets administrated immediately in most cases.

[SquishMitten]

To fix ladders in battle make them only destructible by the opposing team?

mite be cool

ladderpulting wont be so bad with the current xp system, it was gutting pre patch if it happened early in the round and you had to wait the round out without any gold or xp

[The_Newer_Wind]

I know! make ladders indestructable, but only fire bombs can destroy them!! So then people will actually have use for them!

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[Christo]

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Hi!

Again the title says everything: the new ladders only work in one of three or four attempts as planned. In the other cases they get stuck right after spawning in an obstacle behind you, or just in the air itself without noticeable reason. If the ladder manages to touch the object you want to lean it to, in many cases it stops 2 or 3m UNDER the top of the object, making the whole ladder completely useless!

Ladders are very important for me, as I often try to make my team use tactics, and ladders are a great help, because they magically attract players. Yesterday night we were playing this FUCKING map with the Swadian/Rhodok castle, where the defender spawn next to the inner circle of walls, the attackers spawn in front of the outer walls. 

I told my team after 2 lost rounds "Follow me, I know a way", I took three ladders (I need only 2, but I knew about the buggy ladders, so I went for sure), I placed the first one on the outer walls, it worked, we climbed up, then I jumped onto some roofs to place a ladder the defenders can't reach (and destroy) from the inner wall, but BOTH ladders simply stopped midair right after spawning. There was no obstacle or anything else! My plan failed although nobody has made any mistake, our team got scattered, all of us had to lose 30% life by jumping off that roof, and we won only because of the defenders getting bored and looking for us in the streets. With some luck we won the first fights, regrouped again and won the map. But this can't be explained by something else than luck. If the defenders stayed in the inner circle we would have lost without chance.

So please do something about it, change it back to pre-patch-ladders, I don't want to disappoint my team and get disgraced by shitty working ladders again. 

Yeah, I remember that one. And that map.. Scene_5 if I'm right, should be removed. It's utter garbage.

[downer]

Ladders are pretty broken right now. It's extremely apparent in Siege as attackers. I can't recall which map, but I watched no less than a dozen ladders get place in what should have been great spots, only to have them stop inside the castle wall.