Revert the 2h nerf, change it to poles instead

[Dezilagel]

Basically, the 2h nerf was totally uncalled for (not the individual balance nerfs, they were done absolutely right!), 2h were never op last patch - in fact, the imo slightly excessive stab damage nerf (not the speed!) made poles the general weapons of choice for noshield melee.

Therefore I propose that the speed nerf should be redirected to poles instead, and that 2h should get a small damage buff (like +1 swing, +1 thrust) across the board, atleast untill polestun is dealt with.

This is coming from a dedicated poleuser mind you.

[Leshma]

I agree.

 If you don't believe it just look at the battlefield. Non shield melee users are mainly using polearms, very few 2H users and those are either afficionados and long time users or misinformed new players.

[Vibe]

The lolstab was too fast. Hell, you could machinegun it. 2h is fine as it is, why even bring this up.

[HarunYahya]

Both 2h and Poles were too powerful and they nerfed both of em hard. (No more 52 cut damage axes  )
2h is still deadly if you use it right.So as polearm why do you suggest it ?

[Shablagoo]

Polearms really needed a nerf.  I used skip the fun to make a polearm character and found myself laughing at how easy it is.  They need to start by giving all poleaxes, bardiches and long axes the unbalanced attribute or removing the bonus to shields attribute.  There's no reason they should have that advantage with absolutely zero disadvantage accompanying it.  They can fiddle with stats however they want after that.   

[Chen1201]

polestun....
that is all

[Vibe]

Either way, this seems to be more of a polearm problem and not a 2h problem.

[Torben]

Basically, the 2h nerf was totally uncalled for (not the individual balance nerfs, they were done absolutely right!), 2h were never op last patch - in fact, the imo slightly excessive stab damage nerf (not the speed!) made poles the general weapons of choice for noshield melee.

Therefore I propose that the speed nerf should be redirected to poles instead, and that 2h should get a small damage buff (like +1 swing, +1 thrust) across the board, atleast untill polestun is dealt with.

This is coming from a dedicated poleuser mind you.

HAHAHA!  yes,  yes.  bring back 2hers,  and bring back horses where youre at it.  ad trhrowing.  and superarchers ^^
sry,  i whined aswell.  but its funny : )

[Visus]

Polearms honestly need to be hit with something. Come on NA. Watch the Bec destroy everything because of its high damage, high stun, and high speed. Faster than any other weapon.
Besides the Bec, the stun is ridiculous on most other polearm weapons. Basically, if you get hit once you are almost assured a second hit given the fact that you have a tiny window of anti-stun to block. I don't know what to do with them, as you need to have a good opposite to 2h power...but they are just so powerful now.

[Cyclopsided]

What 2h nerf? Did I miss something?

[Memento_Mori]

ew don't give 2h their lolstab back, every 2h would have to sell their new MW Danish and get a MW german again... As funny as it is watching everyone go from "the best weapon" to the next. (I've realized by now no one actually builds characters anymore they just grab whatever is the new flavor of the month.)

Only problem with pole arms is pole stagger, IMO remove Pole stagger or give it to EVERY SINGLE WEAPON IN THIS GAME, it's not fair that pole arms get a free hit, can give free hits to team mates, have many shield breaking spamming weapons (axes without unbalanced trait, seems realistic because they're pole arms, but isn't this a game? why is it balanced using real life mechanics? but only for pole arms) and to top it all off can rear a horse by glancing off it's front how many advantages should one class get ?

[Cyclopsided]

Oh, it is just this thread again.

Yeah, everybody has agreed Polestun is stupid. However, nothing can be done about polestun until WSE. So can we stop talking about it now? The devs already know.
Everything else is already balanced between poles and 2h, which is why this thread exists. Again.

A list showing how currently poles vs 2h are balanced.
Poles are: Slower, and have worse animations. However, they get a bunch of varying perks to make up for that. Better support weapons. Thrust is much shorter but more damaging.
2h are: Faster, have better animations, and are better at their main role of killing infantry. Better for dueling and for shock troopers. Thrust is much longer but hits for less damage.

[Fasader]

Wait a second. Are you guys seriously crying because you lost the extra +1 speed on masterwork, that no other weapon type had and was basically a mistake?

[Xol!]

Wait a second. Are you guys seriously crying because you lost the extra +1 speed on masterwork, that no other weapon type had and was basically a mistake?

As a 2h user, 2h weapons are now in a good spot balance-wise with pretty much everything else.  Polestun is still a bitch, but nothing can be done.  However, whiners will whine when their class gets changed, for better or for worse.  It seems this board has devolved into mostly "WAAAH MY CLASS GOT NERFED NERF OTHER CLASSES MAKE ME OP" threads.

The only overpowered play that I see now, in terms of melee, is the whole "long spear overhead through teammate" thing.  It makes far too good of a support weapon.  Whether or not something can be done about it, I don't know, but otherwise I think melee is in a very good spot.

Also ::shameless plug:: Fasader make the great axe usable on horseback.

[Fasader]

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