DTV (defend the virgin)

[AEF_HumV]

My suggestions for DTV.

A) Make it so you can order the Young lady to move around.

B) Or if able to make 1 person on the server has to play as the virgin (Cant carry or pick any weapons up.(maybe just a torch))

[scrivo]

I haven't played since the patch yesterday, but I have heard that the Game play was REALLY hard. Harder then it was before. If you want this module of the game to be successful (Directed @ chadz and other developers) is to have it so it's balanced for players. Sure some like a challenge, but others like to play for the money and exp. IMO DTV is a waste of time if theres more then 10 players because once it gets to Weebos it's insanely hard to even think about getting to the next round. It's that hard. Please either reduce difficulty or balance the mode so it's more players sided. Sure there are ways to defend the maps successfully but it just becomes WAY to hard once you get over like 10 people.

[Tears of Destiny]

Can we set a level minimum for this?

My team was doing ok until four peasants joined this afternoon, then everything went to south :/

[Bulzur]

Can we set a level minimum for this?

My team was doing ok until four peasants joined this afternoon, then everything went to south :/

This.
I said it once on irc, but only Tears_of_Destiny had the decency of answering it, other ignored it.
The only way to survive and protect the virgin, is by using high gear equipment, or at least medium armor and a good weapon. Then, you use teamwork. One problem that you can already encounter : The reward in gold isn't even enough to repair medium gear. If my poleaxe breaks, it costs a bit more than 1k.

Ad when you're doing good, there's a bunch of peasants with clubs, peasants with spear/shield and peasants with no weapon, waiting to loot one, that pops out of nowhere and double the incoming wave.
We managed to loose to bandits this way.


TO OP :
-Moving the virgin, or making one player play it, will be too glitchy. Aka, the virgin is the 33agi character with 11 athletics, just running around. The way it is is fine, imo.

So suggestion :
-Lower upkeep, or even make it disapear and don't give any gold reward.
-Restrict server to lv20 and above (i would even say 26, but that may be consider too drastic by some) (Is such a thing even possible ? :S)
-add an equipment confirmation screen after killing the last ennemy of the last wave. The way it is, you really have to be cautious to change your equipment in time. Would also prevent leechers. It was used in the previous DTV.

I know it's consider good tactic to use the worst gear still enabling us to win for each round (like basic weapon and naked enough versus peasants, medium armor and medium/good weapon for nomads, etc...) but the way it is, it's just a big money sink, and you can't even get past Vitez (you're lucky if you survive searaiders)

[Bulzur]

BUMP
DTV is broken at the moment. :S

[justme]

IS IT POSSIBLE TO:

 1. patch bots, so they have 4 slot limit (atm one tincan has morningstar, longbow, arrow, and bec=7 slots)
 2. enemy cav, so they can bump other bots, not just us
 3. lower rounds ranged, not to aim head but torso, as the later rounds have marksmans which are more precisely to shoot at head
 4. virgin armor, every next round, slightly better armor
 5. remove fog, as the bots can easily see you at long distance and you cant see them
 6. put body adsorb, so when u kill someone in line u dont die instantly from other bot swing
 7. put score system, similar to battle and siege?

tny

[Grumpy_Nic]

At the moment DTV can only be won (means defeating Sexy wave) by using glitches. If there is an open map where the bot wave cannot be stopped by a wall or fence, you dont get far. There is almost no way of surviving sea raiders or later waves. Also in 80% of the rounds I'm headshot, by xbows, bows, throwing weapons. From accross the map.
In the old DTV bots couldnt shoot for shit, now they got aimbot (they are bots - lol you get the joke... very funny).
A little adjustment in the difficulty and also in the reward system would be nice, it used to be such an awesome game type.

[Shub]

as a 98% DTV player i would suggest fixxing
- 1) Some bots get stuck at spawn
- 2) Repair costs are a bit too high ( but just sligthly, too often , but overall pretty balanced)
- 3) There is this bug when you loose some of your equipment  each round and cant re-equip it ( u have to re-enter the server to fix it)
this happens when u get too much repair costs ( but in fact u have sufficient gold to repair those items )
-4) The fact is in current DTV u have to glitch bots somehow or its almost impossible to go far ( but u would have to reinvent DTV concept)
5) there are places on map where u get stuck and cant move out  1- behind crates and fances , wood piles , and there is one map where u can simply jump in the garden with walls around and no way out ( sorry forgot the name)

DTV is a server for peasant man , there are heroes who do 200-400 kills and peasant who do 30 . It balances pretty well . So no lvl caps plz . Where would u sent peasants who cant fight? to battle? to specialized builds rageball? To siege to get slaughtered? DTV sir is for new players.Ppl learn basics and team work there.
as for bots having aimbot - yup sometimes they do , but that is ok - it would be too easyyy if bot's range attacks were useless , it encourages team work which is good.

[Lichen]

At the moment DTV can only be won (means defeating Sexy wave) by using glitches. If there is an open map where the bot wave cannot be stopped by a wall or fence, you dont get far. There is almost no way of surviving sea raiders or later waves.

The fact is in current DTV u have to glitch bots somehow or its almost impossible to go far ( but u would have to reinvent DTV concept)

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I play DTV a lot. Reasons it's frustrating are:

-people use total crap gear because they of course don't want to pay upkeep and of course that also means chances of winning with a bunch of poorly equipped players is very low. So the first 2 or 3 waves are repeated over and over when you have such a team and it's useless to try and get them to use strategy to win because they are using weak gear so it's a waste of effort. If they REALLY wanted to win they wouldn't be using such weak gear. So DTV becomes 'leech mode' and also lose mode as well because of that.

-can't use horses (other than ones from bots). If we want to win by methods other than glitching that's the way to get people to play in a normal way. It's not like the xp is even that great when you're doing good anyway (often most of your team dies in the process thus reducing xp gain). Also it's not like bots are easy seeing as they have cyborg like abilities. Also you get much more xp per time put in on battle or siege.

I would also like to see more bot types added to add interest.

[Rico]

because people always camp roofs, barns or tents to lure and kill the bots very easily, the number and strength of the bots is so high. this is what makes maps without those places actually unplayable. why don't we just remove fences, buildings and acutally all objects despite the ground itself to make it impossible to exploit DTV.?if all maps were like this, we could actually play against the bots having a fair chance to win, because the disadvantage to previous maps is compensated with a lower number of bots.

[Shub]

removing objects would make it just Battle .There is tactic involved in placing  your team in crucial spots , specially in open maps.

[Gimest]

Please give some love to DTV, cuz it really is pretty boring/stupid atm cuz of the many reasons ppl have mentioned here. That mod has alot of potential for different kinda ppl who dont like battle or siege, and for ppl like me who like to play them and would like DTV too, if it wouldnt be like glitch to win :/ Would be nice if bots could not be stucked somewhere but they would be someway defeatable with ppl keeping group/formation and using good tactics, wich isnt the case atm cuz of the pure power they just rush in, they can two hit characters with +60 body armor, 55 head armor and 74hp, and u lose shitloads of money playing dtv with that kinda equip, and u can barely 2 hit (holding them a bit) bots from weaboo and on, even if u hit them in head, with 9 ps and 40 cut weapon

[Patoson]

DTV is just fine, except for the fact that bots get stuck on many maps and that the new changes, like the "body absorption", would be great.

[Haboe]

removing objects would make it just Battle .There is tactic involved in placing  your team in crucial spots , specially in open maps.

DTV atm has nothing to do with tactics. Its having a fence to camp behind unreachable. If its not there on the map, the team kills the virgin to get a new map. Making 1 player the virgin might add a bit of tactics (dont let the virgin be able to jump so she stays reachable for Al)

[Torben]

B) Or if able to make 1 person on the server has to play as the virgin (Cant carry or pick any weapons up.(maybe just a torch))

yay

but highly aboozable unfortunatly