[BAN] t1337dude

[Sphinxer]

Was banned at around 3:00am Pacific Time on July 10th for TKing. There was an argument between 2 players and he decided he would TK one of them. The guy was getting a ladder up and got TKed for absolutely no reason. We already warned t1337dude that no more TK from him will be tolerated, but I guess he didn't understood the first time. I suggest at least 3 days ban, I'll see depending on his version / apologies.

[Digglez]

too lenient. hes a known asshat, 3 days isnt a big deal.  a week would make more sense.

[Sphinxer]

No useless posts please. Unless you bring proof of misconduct or to clear someone's name .. avoid posting on the Ban / Unban request.

Thank you

[t1337Dude]

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[Lorden]

You know damn well revenge TKing is not tolerated, and you are in no position to demand anything. If it were me, I would ask for a permban.

[t1337Dude]

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[t1337Dude]

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[t1337Dude]

Sphinxer, can I see a log, and/or proof? Judging from the OP, you either weren't paying attention or heard the report from a second hand source. I received or saw no warning, and a person was purposely standing on the ladder, attempting to delay our team from winning. I wasn't trying to kill him, just get him off the ladder so our team can win.

If you have no log of this argument or screenshots, I don't see what ground you have to give me such a lengthy temp-ban, especially considering I was trying to win the game for my team, which I think is a little more important than your urge to use your admin powers. If you warned me, then next time I suggest that you ask if I received the warning so there's no misunderstanding. The lifetime of a single message in the chat is very short, often shorter than the length of a duel. Any other admin would give a warning kick first, to make sure there's no misunderstanding...

Want an apology? Sorry Sphinxer - sorry I took five seconds away from that ladder-dancing guy's life. I have a feeling it's a little more important to you than it was to him though (or else I'd be apologizing to him, and not you). I don't really TK that often. If it were possible to pull up such statistics, you would see I've been TKed far more than I've TKed myself. And when I do TK, it's an accident 99% of the time.

[t1337Dude]

You know damn well revenge TKing is not tolerated, and you are in no position to demand anything. If it were me, I would ask for a permban.

Lorden, if I stood on an important ladder and I was TK'ed, would you ban the TKer?

Really, I'm curious. I already know the answer is no though, because consistency isn't something that admins are capable of. That isn't a slant against admins, rather a slant against the techniques used to administrate.

[Sphinxer]

t1337dude, I was present and trippin was arguying with dontbanmeorillcry and after I spawned, all I saw was you attacking him and TKed him for no obvious reason ( please note that there isnt any good reason to TK anyway ). Goretooth and I were on the server and instead of telling us, you took action and you're punished for it. Even if you edited your posts, I had the time to read them, just not enough time though to reply. You dont seem to regret the TK and if you had the chance, you would do it again... Which brings me to think you really didnt understood nindur's warning last time there was a ban request about you. Take a few days off from siege and think about it.  Prove me you understood and I might lift the ban sooner.. And if you tk or wound just to be an ***** again, expect worse next time.

[t1337Dude]

t1337dude, I was present and trippin was arguying with dontbanmeorillcry and after I spawned, all I saw was you attacking him and TKed him for no obvious reason ( please note that there isnt any good reason to TK anyway ). Goretooth and I were on the server and instead of telling us, you took action and you're punished for it. Even if you edited your posts, I had the time to read them, just not enough time though to reply. You dont seem to regret the TK and if you had the chance, you would do it again... Which brings me to think you really didnt understood nindur's warning last time there was a ban request about you. Take a few days off from siege and think about it.  Prove me you understood and I might lift the ban sooner.. And if you tk or wound just to be an ***** again, expect worse next time.

EDIT: Oh, I understand. The argument wasn't even between me and another player. It was two other players. I don't know why that would provoke me to attack another player. The reason wouldn't be obvious to you - as you said you just spawned and everything. You say there isn't a good reason to TK. Why not? I'm just curious. What's so bad about it? I can understand banning over disruptive TKing. It's harder for me to understand banning for reasoned TKing.

Really though, I'm sorry Sphinxer. I had good intentions. It's hard for me to apologize for this because really - action is rarely taken for TKs aside from when it becomes extremely abusive and it feels like you are specifically picking on me with your admin powers. I wasn't abusively TKing. If I didn't do it, someone else would have - and they wouldn't have even gotten any attention for it. And really, is it even that big of a deal? I'm not one to report players for TKing because it's not even big enough of a deal to make such silly "no tolerance" policy regarding. I'm sure you can understand why I'm a little angry about this. Or at least I would assume you're understanding, given that were granted with admin powers and everything. Still, I'm sorry. And I'm not expecting you to change your mind about the ban so it takes a lot for me to say that. ;) I'm more concerned with the playing the game and winning (hence why I was at the top of the scoreboard when I was banned....) than a rule that was made for reasons other than what I was doing.

[Sphinxer]

Like I said in the first post, I wanted to hear your version to see how long the ban will be. I thought you TKed the guy to take Trippin's side in the argument but clearly it had nothing to do with the argument, therefore there's no point in postin the logs. The screenshot I have clearly show you calling him a n word after TKing him and know that there is no such thing has a justified TK. You were already on my watchlist for wounding teamates on purpose. You were reminded last time about the TK rules, so you already had your warnings. I'll post the screenshot when I get home.

[t1337Dude]

Like I said in the first post, I wanted to hear your version to see how long the ban will be. I thought you TKed the guy to take Trippin's side in the argument but clearly it had nothing to do with the argument, therefore there's no point in postin the logs. The screenshot I have clearly show you calling him a n word after TKing him and know that there is no such thing has a justified TK. You were already on my watchlist for wounding teamates on purpose. You were reminded last time about the TK rules, so you already had your warnings. I'll post the screenshot when I get home.

Why is there no such thing as a justified TK? That's a completely subjective and debatable subject.  And I said "nigga plz" to the person repeatedly standing on the ladder, which is a lot different than killing someone and calling them a "friend". To me it just sounds like you're trying to make what I did sound worse than it really was. No offense dude but I was probably a bigger contributor to my team than you were being, that's why it bothers me so much. It just makes so much more sense to punish the provoker than the provoked. That's how it's done practically anywhere else.

P.S. Post the screenshot please

[Sphinxer]

What's the point of posting the screenshot if you admit saying the "n" word after killing him ...

Just a quick reminder of a few rules (again)

1st :
-Racism-
We have a zero tolerance Racism policy, this includes comments, names, allegories, anything that is racist in any way!

2nd :
-Team Killing and Team wounding-
The official ATS policy is : any intentional Team wounding or Team killing will lead to Immediate punishment, this also Includes a teammates Horse!


3rd (to MeatBunny) : From mighty chadz himself about the ban / unban section of the forum : * do not post useless crap, ( http://forum.c-rpg.net/index.php/topic,2.0.html )

I often turned a blind eye when you were just wounding on purpose people blocking your way , gave you a few warnings a few weeks ago, but that useless TK was too much. Take some time off from siege.

[t1337Dude]

What's the point of posting the screenshot if you admit saying the "n" word after killing him ...

Just a quick reminder of a few rules (again)

1st :
-Racism-
We have a zero tolerance Racism policy, this includes comments, names, allegories, anything that is racist in any way!

2nd :
-Team Killing and Team wounding-
The official ATS policy is : any intentional Team wounding or Team killing will lead to Immediate punishment, this also Includes a teammates Horse!


3rd (to MeatBunny) : From mighty chadz himself about the ban / unban section of the forum : * do not post useless crap, ( http://forum.c-rpg.net/index.php/topic,2.0.html )

I often turned a blind eye when you were just wounding on purpose people blocking your way , gave you a few warnings a few weeks ago, but that useless TK was too much. Take some time off from siege.

Sorry bro but your definition of useless probably isn't the same as anyone elses. A TK isn't even that bad of a thing, you know that right? I know, it's the rule, and you enforce it (though rather inconsistently). But it really was only a single TK, with a good intention. It's not worthy of a 3-day ban. The player was being disruptive, and you weren't there to observe that. You would've kicked him - which is a lot harsher than what I did to him. I TK very unoccasionally and I was playing the game seriously and was contributing. At least just post anything in the way of proof - like a screenshot, please.

And can you ban Birty_Deaner? His name is obviously racist yet you or some other admins thought it was just fine...