Xant he clearly says "in the Army", not in my unit in the Army. L2Read. Go reread your links as well. You'll see it's about a 50/50 split as I've said before. As per my previous statement IR Kouin is a new gun owner so he should stick to the easiest and most effective way to clean his gun, until he gets familiar with breaking it down piece by piece. Here we go again with the cherry pickin'. How bout you cherry pick your ass to the nearest place that's hiring and quit leeching off your government.
water + carbon steel = flash rust (if it's not 110% dry)
Please stop being retarded.
Since you want quotes I'll give you quotes:
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In general, if you aren't using corrosive ammo, I wouldn't bother with water. I use it for some hard to clean gun parts myself, but mostly just with corrosive and blackpowder. " ~ some guy on the internet
"However... firearms of today are much more complicated affairs. Lots more moving parts machined to higher tolerances, and many more tiny crevices for water to hide in.
I think that you would actually end up costing yourself more work, since after your gun was dripping wet, you would HAVE to clean and oil every square millimeter of it. Had you stayed away from the hose, just the bore and action would have needed your attention." ~ another guy on the internet
"You don't need to use water to clean firearms if you're shooting only modern non-corrosive ammunition in them. You can as the Marine Corps manual states, but modern cleaning materials will get the job done without exposing your gun's metal to water, which may cause rust if not thoroughly dried" ~ some guy from the internet
"Be careful with really hot water, as flash rusting can occur. I always use a dash of Ballistol in water I clean guns with, and forget the detergent!" ~ another internet warrior
"It's OKAY (as in probably won't damage your gun) if you dry the gun off well afterward and make sure that all the internal components are dry. I'd avoid using any soaps or detergents as they can leave a film on the firearm.
That being said, even if you dry the gun well afterward, water is usually not as great a solvent as Hoppes, CLP or other powder solvents.
I would just find a preferred solvent and use that instead of water." ~ not the hero we need
"If you fire corrosive ammo in your weapon I would recommend using water, and a very mild soap. If not firing corrosive I wouldn't recommend it." ~ wow another guy from the internet
"Like some others here, I use hot, soapy water for blackpowder. For a poly or stainless gun, water may be no problem. However, I'd be careful about springs (especially small plunger springs) since they would be carbon/spring steel." ~ this is getting boring
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I don't, because I no longer shoot corrosive ammo except in the Mosin Nagant, and that gets boresnaked. That's the only thing I've heard of using hot water for. I don't like the idea of water messing up the wood or getting between it and the action and rusting it." ~ cherry picked number whatever
"I have seen rifles cleaned in very hot water in the Army. The water usually evaporates bedore it gets a chance to start any corrosion. I can't see how this does any better than a solvent but I have seen it done." ~ More quotes from the internet
"I never did the water thing when I was in the army [1980's] but new a couple of guys that did. I allways thought water+metal=rust." ~ Ooooo a contrary army response what will we do now?!?!
"I don't.
Isn't the old saying, "Water and wood, no good. Water and steel, bad deal."?
I also don't use degreasers. I use CLP type products.
The only reason can see to take all the lube off a gun is to get something to stick to the gun, like a new finish or sight paint, etc." ~ Shit man we good?
