Remove the ability to take a dagger with a shield

[MURDERTRON]

http://forum.melee.org/suggestions-corner/make-can%27t-be-used-with-shield-1-hand-weapons/msg901461/#msg901461

please steal more of my ideas

[Dark_Blade]

just add the cut damage type on the dagger's stab and thats it

[Algarn]

http://forum.melee.org/suggestions-corner/make-can%27t-be-used-with-shield-1-hand-weapons/msg901461/#msg901461

please steal more of my ideas

It'd better to keep it up on your thread, mine can't work since I'm archer and considered as a jerk.

[Joseph Porta]

Since we are talking realism, lets nerf the shit out of daggers, I mean we are wearing mail, right! Puny daggers shouldnt be able to even slightly go through that, even the stabs, maybe except for the rondel, could need a nerf. Ofcourse in the name of realism. Cause realism

Anyways, just up the requirement will negate the biggest ath bundle of stickss

[Ulter]

Nothing unrealistic about using a shield with a dagger.

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About the animations though... how about reversing the grip on the daggers, like this :

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giving them pierce damage, and making them unable to use the usual 1h stab animation?

[Joseph Porta]

Nothing unrealistic about using a shield with a dagger.

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About the animations though... how about reversing the grip on the daggers, like this :

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giving them pierce damage, and making them unable to use the usual 1h stab animation?

and 2h's are the same length as lances, right? 

Cool idea about the animations

[Ulter]

Notice how this man isn't naked or running so fast he can run up the castle walls, circlejerk and stab his way to victory against 5 men who all hit each other instead of him.

The use of shield and dagger in a believable and manly way not possible with warband mechanics, so we're left with some retarded placeholder that pays lipservice to the fact that soldiers would sometimes use a dagger when hiding behind their massive shields and moving around the battlefield in a group.

That's why I suggested the animation change. That would make the dagger a viable option for very close quarters, or packed up group fights, but not so much for open field, or 1 vs 5 situations There is still the question if it would be possible to implement though

[agweber]

I saw a legitimate use of a dagger and shield just the other day. Dude was using a shield and long polearm and wouldn't have been able to attack fast enough against a spammer. He used quick draw to lose his weapon and pull out a dagger without taking the ridiculous amount of time required to pull out your sword. He then got a few counter strikes in which gave him time to grab a sword off of the ground without leaving himself open without his shield.

Anyway, my vote is no. I've been playing my ranged character more and more lately and I have seen these guys with crazy high athletics and shields coming after archers. I've got 68 1h wpf and could play plenty well against him. I wouldn't have been able to turn tail and run, but I can still stand and fight against them.

[Kafein]

It'd better to keep it up on your thread, mine can't work since I'm archer and considered as a jerk.

You are considered a jerk because you are being a hypocritical jerk. "Get a shield lol" is as valid in this situation as it is against ranged, yet for you "get a shield lol" seems to be an appropriate response to people questioning the status quo of ranged mechanics.

[Simon_Templar]

I cant actually agree that this gets removed. when i see the explosion of people who playing with longmauls or greatmauls. Because in fact it would leave yourself pretty much undefended against any kind of weapon. Because you can t block with that one. And i am not speak about crpg. When i would fight a guy with longmaul. I would avoide geting hit and then i would just hit him in the gaps of the armor. and because of the length and the big Steel end it would be really slow to swing.

Here a variation of polearms who actually existed in medieval times. Long maul is phantasm weapon. It didnt existed.

http://www.google.de/imgres?imgurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.juniorgeneral.org%2Fdonated%2Falex%2Fmedweapons.png&imgrefurl=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.genesismud.org%2Fforums%2Fviewtopic.php%3Ff%3D6%26t%3D1491%26start%3D20&h=422&w=675&tbnid=Hn6NptdeE-lWbM%3A&zoom=1&docid=7o7cHb-hm2QXVM&ei=VjzvU5jaIOqF4gTR2YHoAQ&tbm=isch&iact=rc&uact=3&dur=432&page=1&start=0&ndsp=23&ved=0CC8QrQMwBQ

weird i dont see any long maul there. 

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