Why do I suck so bad at 2h?

[Teeth]

EDIT: I noticed how most of the "good" players think how great they are, but what they havent realised is that having a 60 ping against a 12 ping makes ALL THE DIFFERENCE.

Except it doesn't. I have played on Warband servers with a variety of pings and as far as I have experienced anything below 80 cannot be used as an excuse for being bad. I hate to be the bearer of bad news but if you are bad with 60 ping you are going to be bad with 12 ping.

[Zhyang]

OP, you suck because you dont live in Germany

EDIT: I noticed how most of the "good" players think how great they are, but what they havent realised is that having a 60 ping against a 12 ping makes ALL THE DIFFERENCE.

true.. I know so many 2h like that...

edit: and take a guess why most of the time only 2h are involved in duel drama and things like this

[Phew]

Except it doesn't. I have played on Warband servers with a variety of pings and as far as I have experienced anything below 80 cannot be used as an excuse for being bad. I hate to be the bearer of bad news but if you are bad with 60 ping you are going to be bad with 12 ping.

Eh? The difference you describe is the equivalent of being 8 frames behind on a 120Hz monitor. A frame lag of only 2 frames is widely considered to be poor for gaming, and 3+ frames is considered unplayable for most people. Most weapon swing animations are <8 frames, so a lag of 8 frames means you are >100% 'behind the action'. I know the server/client sync process is more complex than that, but the phenomena are roughly comparable.

My ISP recently decided to alternate between ~35ms and ~75 ms in a somewhat Boolean fashion. The difference is immediately obvious, especially on the duel server. There are people that I can beat every time without a sweat when my ping is 35ms, and those same people beat me almost every time when my ping is 75 ms.

Ping has a huge impact on combat efficacy in this game, as much as in any 1st-person shooter.

[Ronin]

For me, 60 ping makes chambering harder than 10 ping. I said harder not impossible, but most of the time you need to guess earlier or expect to get feint spammed if you decide not to use chambers. It really adds extra challenge. So yes, you need to have a good ping to be on equal terms with players like tor but other than that you are rather "fine".

Higher than 60 ping on the other hand, makes melee unplayable for me.

Pikes or long spears in strat fights are a different thing since you need to put up enough distance to avoid blocking as much as possible anyway.

[Teeth]

Eh? The difference you describe is the equivalent of being 8 frames behind on a 120Hz monitor. A frame lag of only 2 frames is widely considered to be poor for gaming, and 3+ frames is considered unplayable for most people. Most weapon swing animations are <8 frames, so a lag of 8 frames means you are >100% 'behind the action'. I know the server/client sync process is more complex than that, but the phenomena are roughly comparable.

Attack animations are like 500 milliseconds at least, not 80. Not sure if you grasp what milliseconds are. If it that big a disadvantage I must be a superhuman player if I can still perform decently at 120 ping. Chambering at a 120 ping is just a matter of adjusting your timing. It really becomes hard to play there though because of packet loss, directions get wrongly interpreted all the time which is a way bigger problem than the actual delay.

[San]

I personally think it gets tougher after 50. I can't tell the difference between 40 and 20 (outside of absolutely last moment blocks).

[Jona]

I frequently travel between several locations... one of which has ~24 ping average, the other is almost exactly 20 greater, staying at ~44. Let me tell you, when I am playing on either one for a while, there is no difference noticeable*. But once I switch from one to the other... going either way (up or down in ping) I absolutely suck for a day or two of playing. Anything for me under 60 is all the same once you stay there for a while and get used to it you will be at a very small disadvantage, if any compared to a 10 ping person.


*I have yet to do any scientific tests, but the higher the ping, the more common it seems that people would swing through my blocks, most commonly when I am a shielder. Now this makes sense and all, but it can be considered a disadvantage when it happens maybe once every 50 or so blocks more frequently than a low-pinger.

[Viriathus]

Im sure anyone who has a 60 ping and plays against germans understands what i mean when i whine about atacks that canot be blocked, no matter now much wpf i have.

I know many good crpg players that play under the huge disadvantage of ping and framerate.

[Grumbs]

Everyone has their own personal reaction time too. One person might have 80 ping and 200ms reaction time, one person 20 ping and 300ms reaction average. A lot of what makes you lose in the game is not necessarily reactions and ping though, its making good decisions and things like aiming blocks and attacks, movement etc

The main thing about ping for me is how it makes the game feel. If I play on NA switching from one block to another and feinting feels awkward, almost like having unbalanced stat on weapons

[owens]

Ping is difficult to deal with 75 is the point for m when I start getting in trouble.

However.. I have learned how to play with 230 ping. All animations are around 300 to 500ms from my understanding. So 230 ping gives you at most 200 ms to react if you recognise the very beginning of an attack animation. (just possible with a shield as block direction doesn't matter). Attacking and footwork are different. It is completely impossible to track an opponent's position and reach with 130+ ping



Depending on which part of the animation you have learned to look for ping will affect blocking differently

[Kafein]

Attack animations are like 500 milliseconds at least, not 80. Not sure if you grasp what milliseconds are. If it that big a disadvantage I must be a superhuman player if I can still perform decently at 120 ping. Chambering at a 120 ping is just a matter of adjusting your timing. It really becomes hard to play there though because of packet loss, directions get wrongly interpreted all the time which is a way bigger problem than the actual delay.

My best pure reaction times are consistently around 300ms (which is really, really bad for someone my age), yet I find myself thinking "I blocked that" much more often in the rare occurences when I have more than around 25ms ping. It's also maybe because I easily notice an "unnatural" block failure as even one is enough to get me killed hence is more memorable. Maybe my slow reactions are the reason such a small ping difference can get me killed, as I'm not able to block much earlier than the last couple dozen milliseconds before impact.

Ever more importantly, I get many more occurences of players "phasing through" each other with higher ping, which can easily get me killed as well.


With some armor though, it doesn't seem to make a big difference on my siege score (it does on my duelling ability though).

[Aleta]

In my experience the biggest problems come when your ping is alternating while playing. A bit of stutter on your computer if you don't have really good enough computer for your settings may also be a problem. However, if ping is stable on something below 60 everything should be fine.

Things that may make people play bad, especially when they come from duel server to battle/siege is that you quickly have to fight different types of people all the time. If you're a shield my old friend that's no problem since you can just turtle a bit to relax and read your new opponent. With a polearm you can spam your length a bit to force some distance, so you get a bit of time there as well. But with the longsword you always have to be ready to quickly read a new opponent, see his/her playstyle and weapon choice and decide how to fight, as you have no "no-brainer"-method of giving yourself some time. I'm guessing that's why OP has more problems with the longsword than with 1h/shield or polearm.

[Ubereem]

get a flamberge bro

[Kafein]

In my experience the biggest problems come when your ping is alternating while playing. A bit of stutter on your computer if you don't have really good enough computer for your settings may also be a problem. However, if ping is stable on something below 60 everything should be fine.

Things that may make people play bad, especially when they come from duel server to battle/siege is that you quickly have to fight different types of people all the time. If you're a shield my old friend that's no problem since you can just turtle a bit to relax and read your new opponent. With a polearm you can spam your length a bit to force some distance, so you get a bit of time there as well. But with the longsword you always have to be ready to quickly read a new opponent, see his/her playstyle and weapon choice and decide how to fight, as you have no "no-brainer"-method of giving yourself some time. I'm guessing that's why OP has more problems with the longsword than with 1h/shield or polearm.

Alternating ping is proably a symptom of lost packets, which is way worse than high stable ping.


Also generally I consider "no keyboard" duels with humans to be the best way to improve early on. Once you have decent blocking, improving comes mostly with practice and understanding the playtstyles of other players.