What else am I supposed to go on? During my PC hiatus, HoC broke off from TKoV and attacked us, and afterwards I hear from a pretty damn reliable source, that it was an idea comprised and praised by both teh current leaders on each side. I believe Rob and Bonesaw made that play, it just makes too much sense. All I have to go on, is the fact that you and all the other leaders were on vacation or some shit, Bonesaw and Rob both dislike us, and that HoC broke off and attacked us during this period. Then I hear from a integrity-filled character like Jaren, that they were discussing this in a TS. Are you denying that it happened Hobb?
You doomed yourselves with your own posts IMO, goat admitting that it was at least an idea, and your post about how Rob was the one who was actively in charge. Then look at the turn of events, and it's pretty crystal clear IMO.
The fact that you are still convinced that you guys got attacked due to some massive conspiracy is pretty hilarious. HoC left the VE on a whim and decided to attack people. The end. That is why relations with TKoV unfortunately turned a little sour since they felt a little betrayed that we left without discussing this beforehand (which is hard to do, when your leaders are gone). Sure, Bone and Rob probably discussed how fun it would be to go after you guys, but they never put some scandalous plan in motion where HoC split off just to attack you guys. Our splitting off had nothing to do with you guys other than the fact that you existed. So sure, it had a lot to do with you, but at the same time, nothing.
As goat confirmed, the extent of the "plotting against MB" was 2 drunk guys shouting. I don't see how his post "doomed us" when he confirmed that there were no real plans.