I don't get the siege defense tactic "sit at the flag all game"

[WhiteAndMilky]

THIS. My god, THIS. When at the top of a ladder, or at a chokepoint, so many times I see the attackers just holding there, afraid to jump in. Yes, you WILL die if you jump in, no you will NOT get a kill, but it breaks the front lines. Sadly, when I try and tell people this, they tend to just make snappy remarks. 

There is nothing worse than having 15 of your team on a ladder, only to have 2 shielder teammates stop right at the top and stare at 1-2 enemies.....

I will admit to kicking said teammates in the ass until they 1) get out of the way or 2) get killed by the enemy and let me rush through the defenses like a normal, disruption-oriented attack force should do.

[kinngrimm]

There is nothing worse than having 15 of your team on a ladder, only to have 2 shielder teammates stop right at the top and stare at 1-2 enemies.....

I will admit to kicking said teammates in the ass until they 1) get out of the way or 2) get killed by the enemy and let me rush through the defenses like a normal, disruption-oriented attack force should do.

carefull there, they may just try to wait for the right moment and also depending on their positioning they may already block swings of defenders where other attackers could use.

I am complettly against camping directly on the flag position and even worse not moving against incoming enemies but just staying staticly on the flag. Sitting Ducks. Overall it does depend on the map if there are chokepoints nearby. The closer those chokepoints are to the flag, perhaps even with a line of sight to the flag, the better. I don't say no to flag camping, i just want to point out that positioning and mindset needs to be defensive and aggressive  . If you use chokepoints, make sure you get line of sight regularly to the flag so you can see if someóne sneaked in already. If someone of the chokepoint team goes to have a look for the flag, either wait for him to show upper block as sign to follow(warning message about flag?) or stay at the chokepoint till he or someone else reinforces that position.

[Jarlek]

I've made it an art of jumping over the ladder into the defenders and causing as much chaos as possible. Feels good when my allies follow up and kill the 5+ people with their backs to the ladder (cause they focus on me). Does NOT feel good when my allies stand and watch as the enemy all turns to me, kills me and then face back to the ladder where my allies finally decide to try jumping in, even though it's way too late.

[Fips]

Oh yes. I often find it tragically hilarious that a ninja has to run through the lines because the plate users and shielders are too afraid to die. And yes, I die when I do it, usually.

Even as an archer it is soooo damn useful to just push in. Grabbing the 0slot-stuff and just go wild with it is awesome xD

[Tindel]

If you are at the top of a ladder and actually killing defenders, i think its ok to "block" it.
If you are not killing them..... get the fuck out of the way please

With a polearm or a 2hs you can usually stab and overhead some ppl and then break in, but its impossible if ppl are hugging your ass so you cant move.
Shielders can often just push right through.

[HarunYahya]

Simple , in order to win , attackers have to capture flag and to capture flag they have to stand near it.
Why would you defend the "ways to flag" while you could just simply defend the flag itself ?
Of course defending chokepoints are supposed to be the best method to defend instead of leaving the walls and camping flag but if you are not organized , a random group of non communicating nabs (Its like that most of the time) cannot defend multiple choke points .
But sitting at flag and killing people who are charging at you one by one (Because most of the time attackers are non communicating random group of people also so they'll just run to flag like bots 1by1 derp) is easy to do.

[Kafein]

I remember back in 2010 when I played on 22nd siege, the attacking side often was the most difficult because you had to organise synchronised charges, blocking the flow of lemmings for a few seconds just to force a big group to attack together rather than one after another.

[CrazyCracka420]

In an ideal world (on balanced maps with competent players) you would be guarding choke points evenly amongst teammates, and covering ALL avenues of approach.

This is c-rpg siege however, most of the maps are fucking terribly imbalanced for defense or attackers, and most of the players are lemmings.

[Corsair831]

you're right, camping the flag is a crap strategy, but it's simple, and doesn't rely on any teamwork to succeed.

If you have 3 people at backdoor, 3 at gate, 5 at ladders, etc etc, then when one point is getting overwhelmed the entire thing relies on someone typing that they're getting ass bitten before they die, which very few people do.

If you had an organised clan defence, with the team split evenly amongst the walls / bottlenecks with hammers, crossfires and stuff then most of the castles in the game would be literally impossible to take ;).

[Tovi]

That's the game's goal man.

[BlackMilk]

If u kill enemy on flag he need 20-35 sec to come back
If u kill enemy on wall he need 5-10 sec to come back

So on flag u need K/D like 1/1 and on wall 3/1, cos all randoms stupid and nabs they all die on wall with kd 1/100 that's why all clans forced to camp flag 

If everyone camps flag and you all get killed you're pretty much lost but if you all die on walls you can recover atleast once usually.

[Kafein]

If everyone camps flag and you all get killed you're pretty much lost but if you all die on walls you can recover atleast once usually.

And that's usually what happens. Defenders never go straight to the flag. Only 2-3 people do that and it's enough.