remove ladders from battle

[Vexus]

It's not possible to make it so ladders can't be destroyed but you can lower them just like a normal ladder?

This would pretty much solve the campers that destroy the ladders so no one can attack them.

[Thalamond]

yeah but that would mean a ladder spam all around the map, so don't know if that would be a good idea. Is it possible to make torches set fire to buildings maybe?   Of course not as in really letting the buildings themselves burn, but sorta make people close to/on them take burn damage?

[Rumblood]

If map makers don't want people on roofs, they'd put invisible walls on them.

If map makers wanted people on roofs, they would place the in-game ladders at those roof tops.

Hoisted on your own petard!

[Kung Fu Jesus]

I make maps and I put barriers on roofs I don't want to give access. I also leave 1-2 roofs open for archers. But those roofs always have a permanent access point. Because of the way people will exploit anything, I am also forced to put barriers around the entire map as well as a ceiling to prevent ladders to heaven.

If ladders are not removed, the people in charge of putting maps on servers should reject all maps without these precautions and retro-fit old maps to meet this criteria. I'd even volunteer to do that shit because I hate ladder campers so much. If you see a problem on one of my maps, please let me know so I can patch it up. Heavy laggy forest map, bloody/smokey/fire battlefield, and two keeps over a river with rope bridges connecting are mine.

[MountedRhader]

No.

[Safavid]

You can't take ladders out, archers do need to be on the roof because they can't defend well in melee.  Not everything in this game should be for 2h crossbow or lancers. 

[Gorath]

You can't take ladders out, archers do need to be on the roof because they can't defend well in melee. 

No.
2hers require 1 wpf to be used efficiently so your can't melee comment is full of shit.

[Armitage_Shanks]

Imho ladders are very good to have in the game to spice things up and they arent abused too often. If archers are camping on roofs, either bring ur own ladder or pull out ur xbow or throwing weapons. Shields also offer protection from arrows/bolts until the kick votes force them off the roof. The community usually gives very negative vibes to the roof campers in game and I mostly carry a small ladder to sneakily get behind them.

Ladders for President xD

[MrShine]

If admins can't be on enough or if they can't agree on how to enforce leeching/delay/ladder rules yes they should be removed  from battle.  I actually like the dynamic they can add to a battle map but latley things are just getting out of hand.

I think this is the crux of the issue for me.  Right now enforcement is hard to pin down.  I mean, the rule is that you can't stay there if you are the last one, but then we get into this issue of enemy teams breaking ladders to force the come-down (which seems up in the air based on another thread where someone got kicked for doing that) and a bunch of constructed rules to try to enforce this issue.  Where do you draw the line between inaccessible and just really really hard to access? For example if you can get to a place easily with a ladder but it requires lots of rooftop hopping from someone who knows a lot about a map, what happens if the ladder is destroyed?  I'll tell you what, it will be dependent on the current online admin's knowledge of the map, and I'd bet that not all admins will know every map's nook and cranny and be able to make uniform decisions.

I agree that ladders can add a dimension to maps, but unless the rules around them can get hammered down they seem ripe for abuse.

[Banok]

most rooftops are still campable without player ladders

infact player ladders make it easier to get to campers generally.