The financial struggle of new players.

[Herr_Thomas]

What 140 wpf reducing upkeep chance?

Break chance reduced with wpf in a linear fashion I think, whether you have 139 or 141 wpf doesn't matter much.

Weapon WPF. I believe ~140 after weapon modifiers puts your weapon break chance at 2%. Bare in mind every minute in game there is a chance of breakage, so keeping this figure low will help. Armour has 4% chance

I didn't quite understand the wording 100 %  , my bad. I believe he's saying that at 140 you're chance is reduced to 2%, but at 120 it may be like 2.5%~ or something.

[Grumbs]

1wpf is about 11% where as 140 is 2.5% so it does make a difference.

Thats from this guide: http://forum.c-rpg.net/index.php/topic,9245.0.html

This other guide is worth reading too: http://forum.c-rpg.net/index.php/topic,23607.0.html

I'm not sure about if its true WPF after gear or not, probably is. Would like to know more detail on it. The game only cares about your highest melee weapon skill btw rather than the wpf for the weapon you hold

[Osiris]

Just be happy you missed the real pain of being a peasent before upkeep and gold per tick :-)

[Lichen]

As a new player I was stoked to have finally saved up enough gold to buy a weapon that wasn't a shoddy noob sword and a suit of armor that helped absorb some of the teamwounding that I seem to receive on a regular basis. I was horrified after the first game when I was docked nearly 1,500 gold for upkeep, more than half of the gold I currently had left. I thought to myself, this is just chanced based and most likely wouldn't happen again for a while, right? It turns out, I was wrong. The second game wearing the same gear I was hit for almost the same amount as the first game emptying my coin purse of all gold except for 37. I was devastated, all of my hard earned gold had been depleted on upkeep costs for my new gear. Now the common answer to this seems to be peasant gear, which really is not a solid solution to the problem that newer players face with upkeep. The second answer seems to be to sell your first heirloom point. This answer of course does not help with trudging through the first painful 31 levels.

At first I thought that the upkeep was needed to keep everyone from using the best gear they could afford at all times. Now I see that it really only hinders newer players. The reason for this is that many of the veteran players have a fairly large amount of gold at their disposal so the upkeep may affect them but to a lesser extent. They can continue wearing higher priced gear and continue paying the higher upkeep due to having the larger amount of gold. The result of this is that the newer players with the less skill, lower levels, and mediocre to low gear are even more of an easy target and for the most part, "cannon fodder".

Is it possible to reduce the amount of upkeep for first generation players so that we can remain semi-competitive until our skills improve?
Is it a bug that I incur upkeep nearly every game, most of which are very large and teetering on the verge of being obscene?

I'm feeling charitable. Put up a straw hat for 50,000 gold and I'll buy it. PM me your player name if interested.

[Slamz]

Light Kuyak
Nordic Warlord Helmet
Mail boots
Mail mittens
Heavy bastard sword or german greatsword
2x heavy throwing axes

I make money slowly but consistently with this setup.

I've started using Lamellar Armor now which is more expensive, so I wear a mail hauberk for 1x and 2x and then shift to the Lamellar Armor for 3x and beyond.  Still gaining money.


Another good idea is to do 1 generation as an archer.  1 quiver of bodkins, 1 quiver of "arrows", 1 sidearm, 1 bow and the standard archer armor, which is all crap.  You'll make a lot of money with 1 generation as an archer.  Assuming you can stand to be an archer.

[Herr_Thomas]

My low upkeep set up is as follows:

Mail Coif
Red Tunic Over Mail
Mail Mittens
Rus Cavalry Bots
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Arming Sword
Kite Shield
Dagger

was around 15k and you are still an effective shielder.

[Torost]

If gold is the issue, spend ur money on the armor, bring just a lowend meleeweapon. Then  scavenge som MW bonecrusher from the fallen. The battlefield gets littered with great weapons after 1 min.. Its a great way to get familiar with the different weapons.

[CrazyCracka420]

I'm feeling charitable. Put up a straw hat for 50,000 gold and I'll buy it. PM me your player name if interested.

Almost as bad as "women" putting up  an amazon wishlist and sending pics of "themselves" and suckers end up buying them shit online.

Damnit I wish I was smart enough to do this as a new player.  I struggled like everyone else my first gen build.  At the end I had a scimitar, knightly heater shield, courser, medium armor and still was riding my horse about 50% of the time (when I could afford it).

Suck it up, everyone had to do it, when you retire you can sell your heirloom point for over 600k gold, and buy a +1 loom for under 400k.

[Miley]

The financial struggle of new players... hmmm...

Everyone else deals with it, so you can also.

[Anal Bleeding]

hate to say it but if you didn't start in 2010 before the big upkeep nerfs you will never catch up to the older and jaded players who wallow in gold and heirlooms.

[Dexxtaa]

Just be happy you missed the real pain of being a peasent before upkeep and gold per tick :-)

[Zisa]

Just be happy you missed the real pain of being a peasent before upkeep and gold per tick :-)

Don't be happy about it. Seriously, you missed some real fun.

Upkeep as a balancing method is daft, only screws gen 1 and newbies.

[Fartface]

I use.
Golden horde helmet.
Green coat of plates.
Lamellar gauntlets.
Khergit guard boots.
And Morningstar.
And they're realy high armour rating and at the same time i still make little cash so.