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Re: Meanwhile in Oregon! Pt Deux
« Reply #15 on: January 05, 2016, 01:08:02 pm »
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OK for those of you who want to know the whole story, this is the most thorough history of these events I can find. And yes, it differs some from the story the government portrays about the Hammonds. Big surprise.

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After some more reading and evidence gathering I think there are two things that have been overlooked by most publications... first off is the amount of land that was burned by the hammonds.. The first fire in 2001 was about 125 acres... they initially called the county and told them they were going to be doing a prescribed burn, something which is commonly done among ranches to revitalize the lands and enrich the soil among other reasons. Then in 2006 a fire sparked by a lightning storm encroached on the Hammonds property and they fought the fire by perform a backfire, a common practice among firefighters when facing wildfires or forest fires, in effect this burns land in the path of a major fire so that the fire is stopped dead in its tracks when it meets the backfire and no longer has anything to ignite/burn.

The only ones claiming the fire was done to cover up poaching deer were the government prosecutors and the 23 mentally handicapped relative of the hammonds who Judge Hogen actually acknowledged did not have an adequate recollection of the events 10 years previous. This relative was estranged from the family of the Hammonds and did not live on the ranch for many years... The witnessed was tracked down by the prosecution and seemingly coerced into giving false testimony.

So here's what I think. the 125ish acres from the 2001 fires and the defensive backfire even if found criminal are comparatively small to the 187,000 acres of the Malheur Wildlife Refuge.

Also charging people via an anti-terrorism act 1996 against people who are most obviously not terrorists is a bit discerning to me... Government entities created this Anti-terrorism act, no doubt, to combat terrorism and be used against terrorsits... That is of course the platform they stood on to convince the public and congress that this act should be approved, yet here we see it being used against non-violent ranchers.

I think this is just a despicable strategy for the FWS and BLM to obtain a private property which pokes a whole in their giant Malheur Wildlife Refuge property.

Also I agree with Tagora, the second fire seems to have had nothing to do with covering up deer poaching... This was only brought up by the prosecution during the court case. Other government officials have stated that the Hammonds did indeed start a backfire in 2006 to protect their lands and homes by a wildfire ignited by a lightning storm, and it had nothing to do with deer "poaching".

I mean "deer poaching" that is killing a deer when it is not hunting season is a minor misdemeanor crime... People do it ALL THE TIME and they don't attempt to go to such severe lengths to cover up their tracks. When people get caught for it, I believe it's something like a 1,000-5,000$ crime. I only really have much experience from northern california but when you live in a habitat where deer live they usually flourish like rabbits... In california I think the only predators of deer are bobcats/mountain lions (pretty rare animals, I've never seen either in the wild in california, but I've see bear probably 15-20 times in my life), bear (maybe?), and hunters... When I lived in a small town called Felton
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in California, we had deer EVERYWHERE... We would see one in our backyard every almost every single day... probably 2 out of every 3 days we would see deer in our front or back yards, and we had a very small property probably like 500ftx500ft. Deer are by no means some rare forest creature that are facing dwindling numbers or are endangered... Their habitats have been reduced from human development but in those remaining habitats they flourish and reproduce like rabbits.

Anyways... I'm curious how this whole thing is going to turn out. Will the occupiers come to terms with county, state, federal entities and leave without incidient? Will they tried to be removed by force or with non-lethal means like teargas/flashbangs or other means? Will the occupiers be charged with crimes and will the Hammonds serve their full 5 year sentences???

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Re: Meanwhile in Oregon! Pt Deux
« Reply #16 on: January 05, 2016, 02:07:27 pm »
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http://theconservativetreehouse.com/2016/01/03/full-story-on-whats-going-on-in-oregon-militia-take-over-malheur-national-wildlife-refuge-in-protest-to-hammond-family-persecution/

To date the Hammonds have paid $200,000 to the BLM, and the remainder $200,000 must be paid before the end of year (2015). If the Hammonds cannot pay the fines to the BLM, they will be forced to sell the ranch to the BLM or face further prosecution.
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Re: Meanwhile in Oregon! Pt Deux
« Reply #17 on: January 05, 2016, 03:29:05 pm »
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Re: Meanwhile in Oregon! Pt Deux
« Reply #18 on: January 05, 2016, 06:10:38 pm »
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Through shear violence the old tyrannical rule shall be torn down and replaced by a new government. A government formed by the people, for the people and errr.... in the people!

Woah don't get ahead of yourself. The violence didn't start yet. Right now it's just disgruntled folk loitering around with guns.

stay tuned!
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Re: Meanwhile in Oregon! Pt Deux
« Reply #19 on: January 05, 2016, 09:06:10 pm »
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http://theconservativetreehouse.com/2016/01/03/full-story-on-whats-going-on-in-oregon-militia-take-over-malheur-national-wildlife-refuge-in-protest-to-hammond-family-persecution/

To date the Hammonds have paid $200,000 to the BLM, and the remainder $200,000 must be paid before the end of year (2015). If the Hammonds cannot pay the fines to the BLM, they will be forced to sell the ranch to the BLM or face further prosecution.

Yeah I noticed that too, I tried to find out if they paid it in full before 2016 but I couldn't find any info. Funny thing was the article was posted in 2016, probably just a repost of gathered info.
I'm guessing they did pay it, I mean if they own a 6,000 acre property it doesn't seem far fetched that they would be able to use the property to get a gigantic loan.

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Re: Meanwhile in Oregon! Pt Deux
« Reply #20 on: January 06, 2016, 12:33:57 am »
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Seriously guys?  Heskey & Witch, I know you guys aren't fucking stupid people.  What's with the smug pretentious shit?  Why not have the fortitude to actually engage the story and change your views instead of maintaining arguments that have been dismissed by the facts and engaging in ad hominem?

I legit went into the thing scoffing at them because "muh gunz" and "muh conspiratorial govt" but after reading about it, I'm on the Hammond's side.  Am I on the side of the militia?  Probably not.  I always maintain a non-violent approach to peaceful resistance.  But when you actually fucking read about what happened, it was reported that it was a small splinter of the original protest that went on in the last few days before the occupation began.  The majority of protesters were gathering in public places.  It was a minority who went in and escalated the situation by occupying the building.
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Re: Meanwhile in Oregon! Pt Deux
« Reply #21 on: January 06, 2016, 12:44:11 am »
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Here's what I've gathered from just a little bit additional shitty research.

Anyone claiming MUH DOUBLE JEOPARDY is a jackass, from my point of view. The charge for terrorism and arson required a minimum sentence; the federal judge didn't act in accordance with the law and he set a sentence below the minimum. This decision was just now "gotten to", and is being rectified.

Of course, I feel that the charges are trumped up, and smack of corruption and cronyism. There are multiple narratives, but the one of "oh shit we accidentally fucked up 160 some federal acres of land to put out this big fire" makes the most sense to me. I've come across two main narratives of the incident, the other being a coverup of poaching by setting large acreage of federal land on fire. That one doesn't ring true to me- although I cannot claim full knowledge, or even to know much of anything. While I know that many people are unfortunately jackasses, I can't put myself in their shoes and find it reasonable they'd think "sweet, we just nabbed seven deer off BLM land, lets just SET IT ALL ON FIRE so they'll clearly never know anything happened, shit just gets set on fire, right?"

Injustice was had, but not in the part of the incident pertaining to perceived double jeopardy. Seems to be simple corruption in the BLM and affiliated federal bureaus.
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Re: Meanwhile in Oregon! Pt Deux
« Reply #22 on: January 06, 2016, 02:44:47 am »
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Seriously guys?  Heskey & Witch, I know you guys aren't fucking stupid people.  What's with the smug pretentious shit?

your first post cited 4chan as its only source
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Re: Meanwhile in Oregon! Pt Deux
« Reply #23 on: January 06, 2016, 03:51:35 am »
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your first post cited 4chan as its only source

nope.  right under the memeposting is the wapo article. 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/energy-environment/key-things-to-know-about-the-militia-standoff-in-oregon/2016/01/03/4d16a348-b249-11e5-8abc-d09392edc612_story.html

The irony is that you get called out on being pretentious and then you make a pretentious and untrue remark.  kek gg no re bitch.

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Re: Meanwhile in Oregon! Pt Deux
« Reply #24 on: January 06, 2016, 07:03:44 pm »
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The irony is that you get called out on being pretentious and then you make a pretentious and untrue remark.  kek gg no re bitch.

Shitposting is the opposite of being pretentious. I'll make an effortpost when I get a chance because you care and you are a cool person.
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Re: Meanwhile in Oregon! Pt Deux
« Reply #26 on: January 27, 2016, 10:53:48 am »
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Is anyone surprised about how this ended?

A vague and non-committal report about 'a shootout' involving law enforcement and the protestors where nobody really knows or states (at this stage) who fired the first shot, resulting in 1 dead and the rest being arrested. That tends to be how these things go.

well if you bothered to look at where this place was, of course it was.  It was in bumfuck nowhere, not in the middle of a highly populated town.

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Re: Meanwhile in Oregon! Pt Deux
« Reply #27 on: January 27, 2016, 12:32:43 pm »
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Of course it was what?

Not sure what you're being defensive about, only that you sound defensive as usual. And what does the location have to do with anything I said?

An armed protest meets law enforcement and in totally ambiguous circumstances shooting begins resulting in the death of a protestor and the arrest of the remainder. Other than the protesters simply giving up, that's the only outcome you can expect.

Geez, at least explain what you're being defensive about

From the initial reading of your post, i was under the impression you had already donned your tin foil hat for a full blown government conspiracy post.  Even rereading it, i still get that vibe, im not defensive, i just dont know what you expected of a dozen dudes in the most obscure location and how that could possibly have been properly reported by anyone other then the police.

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Re: Meanwhile in Oregon! Pt Deux
« Reply #28 on: January 27, 2016, 03:24:02 pm »
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I just suspected it was going to be another Waco Siege, or Ruby Ridge style conspiracy post, thats all. 

Good reads if you never heard of them, they are rather similar to this honestly. 

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Re: Meanwhile in Oregon! Pt Deux
« Reply #29 on: January 27, 2016, 03:25:12 pm »
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I'm personally waiting for Smoothrich's Youtube video on this subject before drawing any premature conclusions.
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