cRPG and economy, a petition to end the communistic injustice

[bredeus]

Maybe not even the extra multiplier for teamplayers  but something like if you are actually playing for a team you will pay less for repairing stuff? 

[Elmetiacos]

The original proposal would just see an increase in the number of lolhammers, flamberges and greatswords wielded by people with 24 or 27 str, as everyone strives to do as much damage as possible. Killing dangerous players? How does that necessarily mean you've contributed more - if I overhead e.g. Leed or Cooties from behind while they're already fighting two other people, have I really contributed more?

[ArchonAlarion]

Nice post Baldi, I was waiting for someone to bring this up (too lazy to fight off the commie trolls myself  ).

Perhaps one day, items will be solely created in strategus and sold to players by players. Then some interesting things will happen to the mod.

*edit: I like the losing team gets reduced gain idea, and the renown idea. Maybe gold gain should be winning team based and XP based on the old proximity system. I haven't thought about this in great detail, though.

[Seprest]

Gold doesn't have that much value >.>  It's really just trading heirlooms, some are just worth more to others.  We all get the same gold and we all get to pick our playstyle, and hopefully help the team win.  Gearing up with my heavy armor and medium tier horse with my nice spear and pwnsome 2h is worth it if I can get that multiplier up, even if I won't use the gear the entire time.


Also, NEVER do exp/gold for kills, proximity, ranking on charts, ect.  Always keep it win-lose based with a stacking multiplier

[Loki]

Wearing less armor means you will be of less benefit to your team.
Wearing less armor rewards you with more gold, and in the long run, more heirlooms.
Where is the sense in being rewarded for being a disadvantage to your team?

You're making some pretty big assumptions here.
1. Wearing less armor doesn't mean you will be less of a benefit to your team. (I use 14k of equipment yet I'm ranked in the top 50)
2. Less armor does mean more gold, but it does not mean more heirlooms.  First, because people have to be willing to sell them to you.  Secondly, after you buy them you can't wear them because you're the guy who "wears less armor".
3. No one is being rewarded for being a disadvantage to their team because of team balance for one.  Secondly you're probably gonna have a 1x.

Also, it's been this way for several months yet nobody is purposefully running around naked to make gold.  So your doomsday scenario hasn't come true.

I would love to see full loot available, where I can loot armor and money off of people's corpses.

[Lech]

I use Heraldic Mail with Tabard, Mail Mittens and Great Helmet with hat and low end mail boots. I don't think i'm not helping my team win with my score most often in top 3 or top 1. I feel i would be just as beneficial to my team wearing my mail coif and not using my red tassel spear keeping my total gear around 30k.

[Jambi]

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The value of gold
Before the marketplace gold had a very low value, since it’s only real use was to allow you to play with heavier equipment.
However, with the implementation of a free market, you have put a value to gold by allowing heirlooms to be traded. The supply of heirlooms will determine the value of gold.
Supply and demand.

This means that now that the gold income is actually worth something on a public market, the old gold system which gives out an equal amount of gold between all players in the team is no longer acceptable. If it were a true form of giving out the same amounts of gold, it would be, but as soon as you take reparations into consideration, you are actively rewarding players for wearing less armor.

Wearing less armor means you will be of less benefit to your team.
Wearing less armor rewards you with more gold, and in the long run, more heirlooms.
Where is the sense in being rewarded for being a disadvantage to your team?


Some math:

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This system is heavily abusable, for example:
Getting to level 31 requires  8,892,403 exp.
This equals out to a gross income of 444600, without taking repairs into consideration.
This means, that playing with a low-cost equipment doubles your overtime efficiency, scoring you two heirlooms over one generation, instead of one.

Instead of this, I suggest a system much alike the one we currently have, however with an added variable in the calculation. This system is for gold only, experience should stay the way it is.

Create a basic overtime goldtick (like we currently have) however make it able to sustain only 30k worth of equipment, instead of the current 45k+ equipment.
This for the sake of new players and an overall income, to not have players ruin their economy because they are not making enough gold.

These last 15k worth of equipment should be earned by doing damage. Doing 50 hp worth of damage (the average health of a player) should equal gaining gold enough to supply the last 15k of equipment.
If you kill more, you will score more gold, and if you kill less, you will only make the 30k worth of equipment from the overall tick.

Let us leave this abusable socialistic system where the people who work hard are rewarded less than the ones who abuse the system to earn easy gold.
This redrag communistic madness must end!


Summarized
30k overall gold tick, do damage for the last 15k worth of equipment repairs.


PROS and CONS
Pros    
Leeching (Rushing in and dying) would be less beneficial.
People would no longer gain an over time advantage by carrying less armor, or playing specs that require less gear upkeep.

Cons
New players might have troubles making money and sustaining good gear.

120+ days later

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[seddrik]

Income is not unbalanced, unless you only consider some of the facts.  If you consider everything, there are balances to the current system.

If you wear more gear it costs more to maintain, BUT guys who wear more gear know they must win more to sustain their gear.  SO they either win (thus getting a higher multi & income) OR play the market to compensate, which allows anyone the opportunity to buy from / sell to these people.

If you wear less gear, you have fewer repairs but often die faster.  Thus you have a multi less often.

It all balances out.

The only thing I don't like is percentage cut on the market sales.  It totally has killed my interest in playing the market.  AND penalizes those who succeed at the game and ESPECIALLY penalizes those just starting out, who don't have that large bankroll with which to play the market.  But, thats just one more thing thats now less fun in crpg...