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Game Balance Discussion / Re: Katana Analyzed in Relation to the Bastard Sword
« on: January 30, 2011, 04:31:33 pm »
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Game Balance Discussion / Re: Katana Analyzed in Relation to the Bastard Sword
« on: January 30, 2011, 04:19:02 pm »
serpus
This. This is the nerdiest fucking thread.
Thtb
His math is wrong, so combined with Serpus statement, double fail good sir.
Punisher
Deal with it.
Brutal
My conclusion from OP 0.17weight = 3 speed
what the....
Patricia
I'll just go the asshole way and tell you to learn to play
cmpxchg8b
your "formula" is questionable at best
Certainly not the kind of math that says a katana should have a speed of 142.
Aemaelius
I felt like commenting on this thread. Just really don't know what to say... either like... no.. just... wait... rly? or... Jago... You win this years price for best troll post. I lolled in the end!
Fasader
okay, next patch katana 142 speed. only fair.spd_rtng(142) | weapon_length(95)|swing_damage(45, piercing) | thrust_damage(35 , pierce)
POOPHAMMER
You sound like a butthurt loser
Gorath
Good troll though.
Mattressi
take your troll physics elsewhere
Leshma
little twats like you
Vexus
Learn to block and stop whining.
Mattressi
I think I'm addicted to feeding trolls
Must...stop...feeding...troll...
Xant
Jago, you are a troll.
This. This is the nerdiest fucking thread.
Thtb
His math is wrong, so combined with Serpus statement, double fail good sir.
Punisher
Deal with it.
Brutal
My conclusion from OP 0.17weight = 3 speed
what the....Patricia
I'll just go the asshole way and tell you to learn to play
cmpxchg8b
your "formula" is questionable at best
Certainly not the kind of math that says a katana should have a speed of 142.
Aemaelius
I felt like commenting on this thread. Just really don't know what to say... either like... no.. just... wait... rly? or... Jago... You win this years price for best troll post. I lolled in the end!
Fasader
okay, next patch katana 142 speed. only fair.spd_rtng(142) | weapon_length(95)|swing_damage(45, piercing) | thrust_damage(35 , pierce)
POOPHAMMER
You sound like a butthurt loser
Gorath
Good troll though.
Mattressi
take your troll physics elsewhere
Leshma
little twats like you
Vexus
Learn to block and stop whining.
Mattressi
I think I'm addicted to feeding trolls
Must...stop...feeding...troll...
Xant
Jago, you are a troll.
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Game Balance Discussion / Re: Katana Analyzed in Relation to the Bastard Sword
« on: January 30, 2011, 03:56:08 pm »
I don't believe that the posters in this thread have looked at what I have written with an open mind. I believe the responses I have received reflect that. Though, perhaps it is my fault for not being able to explain things better to you all.
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Game Balance Discussion / Re: Katana Analyzed in Relation to the Bastard Sword
« on: January 30, 2011, 03:38:03 pm »
I don't see how going from this:
Bastard Sword
Price 3086
weight 1.8
requirement 9
spd rtng 99
weapon length 101
swing damage 35, cut
thrust damage 23 pierce
Secondary Mode
Katana
Price 8212
weight 1.25
requirement 9
spd rtng 102
weapon length 95
swing damage 35, cut
thrust damage 18 pierce
To either of these:
Katana 3086
weight 1.8
requirement 9
spd rtng 105
weapon length 95
swing damage 35, cut
thrust damage 26 pierce
Katana 3086
weight 1.97
requirement 9
spd rtng 102
weapon length 95
swing damage 35, cut
thrust damage 26 pierce
Seems so ridiculous and hilarious to you Meow. I think you just said that you think my argument is hilarious to get a kick out of hurting someone's feelings.
The idea that heavier, longer things do not swing as fast as shorter lighter things isn't crazy. Comparing one sword to another also isn't such a crazy idea.
Bastard Sword
Price 3086
weight 1.8
requirement 9
spd rtng 99
weapon length 101
swing damage 35, cut
thrust damage 23 pierce
Secondary Mode
Katana
Price 8212
weight 1.25
requirement 9
spd rtng 102
weapon length 95
swing damage 35, cut
thrust damage 18 pierce
To either of these:
Katana 3086
weight 1.8
requirement 9
spd rtng 105
weapon length 95
swing damage 35, cut
thrust damage 26 pierce
Katana 3086
weight 1.97
requirement 9
spd rtng 102
weapon length 95
swing damage 35, cut
thrust damage 26 pierce
Seems so ridiculous and hilarious to you Meow. I think you just said that you think my argument is hilarious to get a kick out of hurting someone's feelings.
The idea that heavier, longer things do not swing as fast as shorter lighter things isn't crazy. Comparing one sword to another also isn't such a crazy idea.
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Game Balance Discussion / Re: Katana Analyzed in Relation to the Bastard Sword
« on: January 30, 2011, 03:17:01 pm »
What you think about the discussion and why would be a good contribution. Insults don't do anything but hurt peoples feelings.
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Game Balance Discussion / Re: Katana Analyzed in Relation to the Bastard Sword
« on: January 30, 2011, 03:05:08 pm »
My math is fine and no I don't agree with him. Weapon stats are for the weapon alone, they have nothing to do with the arms propelling them. Meow, insulting me for your amusement is trolling. Me arguing to make my point is me arguing to make my point, nothing else. Pot calling the kettle black, as Xant did. I am sure the two of you will continue to try to troll me and insult me because you don't like my argument.
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Game Balance Discussion / Re: Katana Analyzed in Relation to the Bastard Sword
« on: January 30, 2011, 03:00:53 pm »
Yes, here I am, trolling my own thread. I made you all come and post in it and now I am keeping you here by explaining my logical arguments and disregarding your insulting comments. The only one that has brought any actual discussion to this thread has been Matt, and even he can't help but insult me.
Thanks for contributing nothing Xant.
Thanks for contributing nothing Xant.
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Game Balance Discussion / Re: Katana Analyzed in Relation to the Bastard Sword
« on: January 30, 2011, 02:54:58 pm »
Oh, please, stop insulting me by calling me a troll. You may disagree with me, but that doesn't mean I am a troll. Just stop.
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Game Balance Discussion / Re: Katana Analyzed in Relation to the Bastard Sword
« on: January 30, 2011, 02:46:21 pm »
Aldryk, the speed of the katana can be lowered by increasing the weight. By referencing the speed and weight of the bastard sword, accounting for the difference in length, the katana can keep its current speed of 102 with a weight of 1.97. That is .17 pounds heavier than the bastard sword. No where did I ever say that the katana should have a speed of 142. That was taken out of the context of my post.
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Game Balance Discussion / Re: Katana Analyzed in Relation to the Bastard Sword
« on: January 30, 2011, 02:39:03 pm »
The two katanas that are modified by my calculations at the end of my post are very similar to the stats of a bastard sword. Their only advantage is a slight boost to speed because of the shortness of the blade. The bastard sword still has the longer reach.
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Game Balance Discussion / Re: Katana Analyzed in Relation to the Bastard Sword
« on: January 30, 2011, 02:36:18 pm »
Obviously my general and simple calculations aren't perfect, but they are very close. A katana in cRPG is basically a Short 2H sword, couple that with a ridiculously low weight, and we should have a speed demon.
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Game Balance Discussion / Re: Katana Analyzed in Relation to the Bastard Sword
« on: January 30, 2011, 02:33:06 pm »
Still Matt, the weight of the arms, even if we factored them in, which we might as well factor in the weight of the body at this point because that is also propelling the blade, would not have much of an effect on the speed of the swing as the weight of the weapon because of the arms closer proximity to the center of rotation. The sword has a much higher torquing effect.
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Game Balance Discussion / Re: Katana Analyzed in Relation to the Bastard Sword
« on: January 30, 2011, 02:30:13 pm »
LoL Aldryk. 
That cracked me up.
That cracked me up.
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Game Balance Discussion / Re: Katana Analyzed in Relation to the Bastard Sword
« on: January 30, 2011, 02:06:47 pm »
Another stupid comment by Meow, they never end.
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Game Balance Discussion / Re: Katana Analyzed in Relation to the Bastard Sword
« on: January 30, 2011, 02:04:27 pm »
Sorry Mattresi, I'm not buying your argument. A medieval man trained in combat can flail his arms about effortlessly, it is when those arms have to overcome the inertia of 4 foot long, three pound weapons where the torque is against them that they begin to slow down. Acceleration is the main consideration. 1.25 pounds will accelerate much quicker than 1.8 pounds, especially when the 1.25 pounds is subject to less torque than the longer 1.8 pound blade. Again, my original calculations already account for this.