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General Off Topic / Re: Turkey coup d'etat

« on: July 24, 2016, 02:38:43 pm »

Yeah, we laid this out on the table long ago. I don't expect you to agree with me. Neither do I expect you to keep creating nonsense.

I'm not impartial. It's known. However, I'm not whitewashing the coup participants. Everything you say makes me believe you haven't seen the pictures or read anything so far. Every single time, I have to rewrite things I have already written. I can only see several possibilities here and I like neither:

1- You care little about the topic, thus not read and learn about it, eventually coming up with the redundant questions.
2- I have always taken you for a decent forum dweller. But I may be very wrong about it. Especially recently you seem to like to yank my chain. Maybe the forums poisoned you? Or maybe I have been wrong about you all along. I don't know.
3- It's all another forum game to you. The fact that none of this has any impact on you loosens your nerves and you find it in you to laugh in the face of bitter frustration? I can only hope you find yourself in the same situation one day.

Whichever the reason, I find it difficult to put up with you any longer. Feel free to comment on my replies or keep asking question about specific lines, but I am not replying to you anymore. You keep throwing more and more frustration at me. I don't need this.

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General Off Topic / Re: Turkey coup d'etat

« on: July 24, 2016, 12:57:51 pm »

How many hundreds of civilians were wounded or killed during the coup attempt by the poor confused soldiers?

You really try hard not to understand, don't you? I have been writing for the sole purpose of providing information, yet you just cherry pick a line, dismiss the rest and appear uninformed every single time. It was 99% the officers' doing. I suspect only few were killed/wounded by soldiers who felt compelled to obey orders.

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General Off Topic / Re: Turkey coup d'etat

« on: July 24, 2016, 12:26:46 pm »

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That photo is as fake as Kim Kardashian's whole body. They are trying to squeeze legends out of this stupid theatrical performance.

It's downright funny how they try so hard to pump life into their retarded street shows as if it were Gezi. They imitate the elation, the jokes, the feelings, everything... It's also funny that they don't give a fuck about the animals who lynched poor confused soldiers, who had already surrendered. On the other hand, they wrote ballads and odes to the few policemen who died during Gezi protests (one died by falling of a bridge due to his own fault, another died after locking himself up in a police vehicle and suffocating due to the excessive pepper sprey present in the driver's cabinet).

Furthermore, I have no idea what I should make out of these "democracy shifts". Their shepherd once openly said "democracy is a vehicle, which you ditch once you arrive at the desired destination". And time and time again, numerous people stated "democracy is a western scam, because the only true order is Allah's word". Now the retards are "watchmen of democracy". Those who died are "martyrs of democracy". They are taking "shifts of democracy". "Democracy should be maintained". Democracy this and democracy that! Fucking hypocrites.

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General Off Topic / Re: Turkey coup d'etat

« on: July 22, 2016, 12:01:08 pm »

I'm absolutely serious when I say: all turks here, please start using Tor/a VPN/anything, now. Not tomorrow, not next week.

The Tor shortcut is always attached to my taskbar. Been there for as long as I can remember.

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General Off Topic / Re: Turkey coup d'etat

« on: July 21, 2016, 04:43:24 pm »

Can anyone explain, why they vandalized this book store and kicked this grey headed book store employee (director?). From aside it looks like Turkey goes into crazy shit with 7miles steps and not going to stop. Reminds ISIS and ancient monuments, but now it is only books.

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https://www.facebook.com/roj24news/videos/1746052388999547/

That stationery chain belongs to Gulenists.

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General Off Topic / Re: Turkey coup d'etat

« on: July 21, 2016, 01:09:29 am »

We will miss you.

Don't worry. With a full beard and the correct vocabulary, I blend in quite well.

Otherwise I could have gotten myself killed long ago

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General Off Topic / Re: Turkey coup d'etat

« on: July 21, 2016, 12:45:28 am »

People are being called to the streets for the so-called "democracy shifts". Text messages keep popping up in my phone at least 3 times a day. One from my hometown's MP, one from my hometown's mayor, one from the mayor of the district of İstanbul I live in. They want me to come out. What would that even accomplish? Giving terrorists an invitation for a nice bombing? And people are indeed going out on the streets. They listen to some preachers and go back. But it is repeatedly done everyday. Recently they also started chanting lines like "death to the seculars", without even asking themselves whatever the fuck anything has anything to do with seculars. More importantly, everyone gives everyone else this irritated suspecting gazelle look. Everyone is on the edge, waiting to be pushed.

In the meantime, the Kurdish leader also gave hints that they might be intending to call Kurds to the streets for whatever reason. And as I wrote above, the Gezi business is so on. Might I remind you what happened the last time he attempted to do that?

The state of emergency will mean a lot of restrictions, arbitrary curfews, freedom to shoot people etc. etc.

By the way, on the day following the coup, when people started their first "democracy shift", some provocateur tried to drive the crowd into an Alevite neighborhood. He almost succeeded. People were definitely down for a bloody raid.

Yes, people are trying things. What is most important is that the Tard has actually seen that he is capable of instigating mindless crowds to do his lethal biddings. Remember, during the Gezi protests, he actually threatened the demonstrators that "he was barely keeping his followers at their homes". Now that he has successfully tried it, he realizes he can indeed convince them to come out, that they are indeed so extremely fanatical that they could even put their lives on the line for a retarded cause.

Do the math for yourself. There are many other dangerous details and risks out there. Add to those the stupidity of people and all that could come out of such tight security measures, and you will see the threat.

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General Off Topic / Re: Turkey coup d'etat

« on: July 20, 2016, 11:34:52 pm »

3-month state of emergency declared. It wasn't like the bastard was bringing back the Gezi dispute back on the table right in the wake of an attempted coup for nothing. Time to demolish Gezi (probably the Atatürk monument  nearby as well), build a giant-ass mosque in Taksim (the now-dead youth gathering hotspot of İstanbul) and erect a stupid old barracks on top of the remains of Gezi Park.

There probably is a way bigger agenda underneath, where Gezi would be the pettiest item. I tell you people, he just won't give up until there is a massive civil war going. The next 3 months will surely be heralding doom.

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General Off Topic / Re: Turkey coup d'etat

« on: July 20, 2016, 03:17:29 pm »

One thing that intrigues me though, is the timing of Wikileaks. Is it the opposite of a conspiracy, and they just need the media attention to be somewhat on Turkey before releasing infos? If so, since when did they have all those files?
What if the coup was really staged by US and Wikileaks is playing its part (willfully or not)? Turkey could have done like nothing happened and remained "friends" officially, but now they retaliate and purge their country of the US-supported whatever and suddenly the western nations remove their blinders and criticize Turkey lack of democracy? Except the possible re-institution of the death penalty (still a thing in some NATO countries and noone is like "HOW CRUEL!") and "taking back their country" from the plotters in that theory, what has Turkey done?

(I'm just presenting another possibility to feed the thread, its not my sacred opinion on the matter, its purposedfully direct, but just food for thoughts  )

As arrested officers keep stressing, the attempt and its planning phase was known all along. It was even reported as early as 16:00 pm that day, as a high-ranking general stated (now detained and tortured as the mastermind, although he seems to have even done his best to convince others to back off). Everyone did as little as they possibly could to stop it. Just like you claim, it might have been real and even US-backed. It doesn't make anything less fishier. My opinion is still that everyone knew, but played along just to uncover Gulenists. The Tard has had a hard on for them for a long while anyway.

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General Off Topic / Re: Turkey coup d'etat

« on: July 20, 2016, 01:12:43 pm »

It is impossible to dig through all of those leaked mails, but so far I've seen nothing notable among them. Seems like very insignificant correspondences, a few "patriots" offering espionage on their neigbhors and acquaintances, and some archived mails extracted from some anti-government mail groups (aka monitoring reports). Wikileaks is expected to release so many more. I don't think those will be significant either though.

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General Off Topic / Re: Turkey coup d'etat

« on: July 18, 2016, 10:47:13 pm »

Putting him on trial would give the cause more legitimacy than outright killing him. He isn't exactly a pariah in the international community.

True, but they were obviously failing and I don't see why they wouldn't take their desperate chances.

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General Off Topic / Re: Turkey coup d'etat

« on: July 18, 2016, 10:22:39 pm »

Food for thought:

The Turkish leader was returning to Istanbul from a holiday near the coastal resort of Marmaris after a faction in the military launched the coup attempt on Friday night, sealing off a bridge across the Bosphorus, trying to capture Istanbul's main airport and sending tanks to parliament in Ankara.
 
A senior Turkish official confirmed to Reuters that Erdogan's business jet had been harassed while flying from the airport that serves Marmaris by two F-16s commandeered by the coup plotters but that he had managed to reach Istanbul safely.
 
"At least two F-16s harassed Erdogan's plane while it was in the air and en route to Istanbul. They locked their radars on his plane and on two other F-16s protecting him," a former military officer with knowledge of the events told Reuters.
 
"Why they didn't fire is a mystery," he said.

Really? A True coup, with Jets on his tail(even radar locked the plane a few times) and they don't fire? What kind of coup has the enemy in their sites and chooses not to pull the trigger....

Let me debunk your seemingly good argument like many average Turks are doing nowadays: Why were heavy tanks sealing the bridge, if this wasn't a real coup. Hurr durr!

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General Off Topic / Re: Turkey coup d'etat

« on: July 18, 2016, 06:50:14 pm »

Sources?

Some idiot from the government said "We should make it easier for the citizens to get armed, so that they have a means of defense in such situations". This is probably what he means.

its happening

Deputy mayor in Istanbul shot in head, in critical state - Turkish broadcaster NTV

That is more than possibly linked to an ongoing dispute between the former mayor of that district and the current one. They had been exchanging threats for a while. Bad timing.

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General Off Topic / Re: Turkey coup d'etat

« on: July 18, 2016, 02:17:01 pm »

If Erdogan does not claim to be the protector of Islamic values do you think ISIS or another radical group will claim this position? I agree with everything you said here but I think Erdogan is smarter than he appears to be. He also threatens to ban facebook and twitter on a regular basis yet he used these social media platforms to stop the coup, unless of course the whole thing was an inside job. If only 40% of Turks are secular, probably less I don't know, someone has to keep the rest of the 60% Islamist whackos in line or the nation will cease to function. Do you think having to deal with the political threat of Islam shapes who Gollum truly is? Could any leader rule Turkey without turning into a monster in some form or another? Maybe there's an ounce of comfort knowing that Smeagel has no choice but to keep Islam out of the hands of others who would make the situation far worse... idk

Everybody claims to be a protector of Islamic values. Regardless, the madness has little to do with religion. People are sick with wet dreams about an Ottoman-like domination. Coupled with it comes the Middle Eastern disease of worshipping a ruling figure. I believe it is a reflection of dismissal of responsibility. One person to rule, one person to deal with any kind of trouble. The Gulen-Tard war was partly about this anyway. Both were being patted as moderate Islamist puppets, each with their own agenda. One wished to actually maintain the desired moderate Islamist profile. The other one had been planning to break free at some point as a towering figure and wreak havoc all along. This is again another Middle Eastern disease afflicting dictators. They think it is actually possible to be chained to a greater international agenda as well as to break it without consequences.

There are lots of alternatives in Turkey who are capable of not turning into a monster. There always were. The deep state can't tolerate those who aren't power hungry though. That's what coups are for. And when it comes to toppling an actually good leader, it is never a halfassed theatrical performance like this one. Additionally, remember that it mostly never comes to that. A little bit of pressure and implied threats are usually enough. For instance, that was what happened in late 2002 and triggered the beginning of the travesty we have been putting up with so far. Also now that the dictatorial worship has reached its pinnacle, people will always be looking for a loud howling alpha mongrel in the future. Any less will be unacceptable to them.

By the way, someone wrote in one of the previous posts that the Tard's death is our only salvation now. You are unfortunately wrong. He has set in motion a plan for a good old disguised monarchy, where bringing anybody to any position without breaking a sweat is possible. It might sound plain unbelievable or absurd, but unless something is done about it, he will be replaced by his offspring if need be.

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General Off Topic / Re: Turkey coup d'etat

« on: July 18, 2016, 02:23:59 am »

What can you tell us about this Gulen guy? He opens "schools" across the US, looks like some kind of cult. There is cult near me called the Maharishi, these are hindus that claim they can bend spoons with their minds and levitate, famous people go there for $100,000 a stay for spiritual relaxation.

He obviously has some major money

What I can tell you about him is that he is a religion monger who ran off to the USA during the snackbar cleansing of February 28, 1997. Up until then he had been supported by the previous Turkish governments as a contra-leftist tool. Yes, the previous governments, although they all varied in their political views, always nurtured Islamists to supress leftist movements. They kept them on a leash though.

Back to the topic: USA decided Gulen was too influential a tool to overlook and got him covered. As Darksoul said, he indeed lives in a manor guarded by the CIA. In time he started expanding his influence to build religious schools mainly in poverty-stricken countries. He acted like a philantropic missionary. He led a religious cult called Nur (the Holy Light) which was established by a madman called Said-i Nursi.

The Tard had always been an avid follower of him. And when he came to power also as a US tool (read this link to grasp what I mean), they held hands. The Tard started installing Gulen's henchmen in all kinds of highly important positions from the army to jurisdiction. Everything was going really fine. Together they managed to capture all media bodies and turned into a savage hydra. They started the notorious trial series to imprison patriot generals and incriminating everyone as they wished through their loudspeakers.

Things went to shit when the cake was in front of them. Soon they started fighting about who would get the bigger piece. It is then that the Tard eventually snapped and started evacuating the installed pieces. This coup itself was probably instigated on purpose to lure the remnants out of their military barracks. And you know the rest of the story.

I tried to keep it as brief as possible. But as you can see, the shithole goes as deeper as you would like it to.