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General Discussion / Re: Where did the NA servers go?
« on: July 11, 2015, 01:49:25 am »
NA server is up!
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Game Balance Discussion / Re: Thoughts on 4.0 Archery Nerf and Class Counters
« on: October 25, 2014, 09:02:55 pm »To sum up : give 2 damages back, some ammo, and we're fine. Archery won't be a easy class, but won't be impossible to play.
This is how every class should be. I think this would be a reasonable re-balance. Tydeus, make it happen!!!
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Game Balance Discussion / Re: Thoughts on 4.0 Archery Nerf and Class Counters
« on: October 25, 2014, 08:00:17 pm »I have sometimes the feeling to be killing only the wounded and the unaware players on the battlefields (or also the retards who come to me, and do not even try to dodge).
That's true, I tend to target lightly armored and/or wounded players. Personally, though, if I damage a heavily armored player but don't get the kill, that's alright with me. As long as I help my team win the round, I don't much care whether I'm on top of the scoreboard with a lot of kills. Archery can feel a bit underpowered, but if you land shots consistently, the overall damage output is still high.
1) you can't go hybrid archer easily : you'll trade the bit of damage of your bow, and will end up spammed by agi whores, and even STR whores. Don't forget you can't use anymore a two handed and a 1 slot bow, since you're going to deal no damage, and will have only 14 arrows.
I have 8 PS and 6 athletics at level 36 and my archery isn't necessarily that much more underpowered than other archers. 8 PS is worth the damage sacrifice, as I'm able to kill a fair amount of people that come to kill me. Personally, I don't think archers should be as good at melee as a dedicated melee build. Hybrids are naturally weaker than a dedicated build; why should somebody be able to be a top tier archer and top tier melee at the same time?
2) Having lower amount of damage, and also a lower amount of arrows means what does it means : you'll have to hit more your target to make it die, especially with 9PD and less, but you won't have a lot of ammo for that. Either they are going to dodge your shots with 8 ATHL or they are going to stack your arrows in a ridiculous way in a huge plate, catch you, and start the spam.
I think the arrow count nerf was too severe- I would cut it by about 50%. As for the damage nerf, perhaps -3 was a bit harsh, but I still seem to do decent damage, especially when I aim for the head.
3) Increasing the weight to 10 per +3 arrow bag while removing 5 arrows to each means you have to take two bags, and wear 20kg on your back. You won't be able to escape in any situation, except if you have 8 athl and no PD or you drop your bow (which, in both cases, ends up with you dead).
I completely agree with you on this one. Arrows were heavy enough pre-patch. Increasing the weight is ridiculous, considering they nerfed the arrow count. They should either reduce weight to reflect # of arrows, or increase arrow count. The athletics cap on people with PD seems to be a viable option to keep people from kiting, and would at least be better than 20kg arrows.
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Game Balance Discussion / Re: Thoughts on 4.0 Archery Nerf and Class Counters
« on: October 25, 2014, 11:13:04 am »
Wow.... what a long-winded shitstorm of pent-up rage, skewed perspectives and (surprisingly) some decent suggestions.
I can only speak from my personal experience. My main has been an archer for about a year, give or take a few months, and 90% of the time my set-up has been MW Long Bow and one stack of bodkins + one stack of regular arrows and a 0 slot sword. I'm actually incredibly pleased with this patch overall. Over the past few days, I feel that my score has more accurately reflected my performance than it did pre-patch. When I'm accurately predicting my target's movement, I do well. When I'm completely shitting the bed, I've had a negative K:D.
Archery provides a different experience from melee classes. In my experience, it's a bit slower paced and focuses on the player's ability to accurately measure speed, judge distance, and predict the target's movement/notice movement patterns. Some players are naturally better at these skills, while others (such as myself) have to practice archery for a while before they can be consistently effective. Infamous archers are usually long-time players (the experience making it easier to predict other players' movements) who have either practiced archery enough or are naturally good at judging speed and distance. Rohypnol, for example, is ridiculously effective as any ranged class he plays because he has played for a long time and (it seems) is naturally good at judging speed and distance. I specifically recall him respeccing to archer after some patch within the last year (I can't remember when, sue me) and topping the scoreboard all day long. He then proceeded to proclaim archery as an easy class, and to be fair, it seemed pretty easy for him.
Item balancing shouldn't be based on these types of players. I read this entire thread and dismissed basically every "archery is still completely viable" post that used Algarn's position on the scoreboard as proof. Algarn seems be one of the top archers in EU, so it's fairly dumb to base the balancing of archery on his scores. People rarely complain when melee classes top the board with ridiculous scores, but when an archer has a couple great rounds, half of the server has fucking seizures and asthma attacks from the sperglord rage. This, it seems, is based off of frustration because they never had a chance to fight back.
I'm a bit too lazy to quote every post I saw, but I hope anyone reading this can read previous posts and make the connections.
Let's address the arrow count change. I can't believe I'm saying this, but I completely agree with Tydeus (pinch me, is it real?) I think the nerf was too severe, but that decreasing the arrow count is good for the server. Sure, archers may not be able to sit in the back of the field and take endless shots anymore, but it forces us to be more selective about which shots we take rather than develop carpal tunnel from firing non-stop for the entire round. Over the past few days, I have not noticed the arrow count nerf decrease my effectiveness. It has only stopped me from taking across-the-map shots and has encouraged me to wait for surer shots before firing. This type of more thoughtful, targeted play is better for the server and doesn't necessarily decrease an archer's potential effectiveness (except perhaps in large servers - learn to scavenge for arrows!!!), although it may require archers to change the way they play. In fact, being closer to the action forces archers to rely on their teammates for protection. Isn't this the type of teamwork that the OP was encouraging? Inter-class reliance?
Next, the accuracy increase. In order to make up for the ammo nerf, accuracy was increased on bows. Also, players are more accurate because of the level buff from this patch. I have 170 wpf in archery and am very accurate with my long bow, even in medium-light armor. This buff has not necessarily increased my performance by an absurd amount, but has caused my effectiveness to be more directly related to how well I am judging speed, distance, and movement patterns. Pre-patch, it was a mixture of luck and personal performance. Keeping in mind that any ranged class will always have an element of luck to it, we should look to minimize the role luck plays and maximize the player's skill. Say, for example, my reticule is roughly the size of the target's entire body. My shot has the potential to hit the torso (most likely), hit the head (less likely), or miss completely. The outcome in this situation is based on luck, not the skill of the player. Let's replace the body-sized reticule with a completely tight reticule (maybe twice the size of a target's head at medium distance?) and the potential outcomes are based much more on where the player is aiming and much less on luck. If the player is able to track the movement of the target's head (hard at any decent distance), they deserve that headshot. If he can track the torso, he hits the torso. If he slips, or has a temporary ballsack-cramp, or doesn't track the target properly, he misses. This has been my experience over the past few days - I hit (or don't hit) where I'm aiming. Maybe we need to further re-balance other properties of archery to compensate, but the general idea behind the accuracy buff is a good one.
Third, the damage nerf. Personally, I'm a fan of this nerf. Despite Jeade & Co's supposed tests, I have still been able to kill plenty of people post-patch. Granted, I'm using the heaviest bow, but I've seen other archers with as low as horn bows be effective as well. Nomad and Tatar bows are cheap and light.... they shouldn't have the killing power of a more expensive, heavier bow. The simple sword shouldn't be as effective as an arming sword, so stop whining. Either use a smaller bow, save money, and hold your tongue, or shell out the gold and pay for a heavier bow.
Lastly (I think), is the cost aspect of archery. As long as I've been playing, archery has been somewhat of a money drain. In fact, I'm currently poor as shit (although that could be due to terrible money-management skills). On a x1, I lose money. On a x2, I generally lose a little money. x3 and above, I tend to come out on top. Perhaps other people have had different experiences, but that's how it usually turns out for me. There are tricks to cut down the cost of archery. Using 1 stack of bodkins on top of 1 stack of a cheaper arrow stack has saved me tons of money! Anybody who has played archer for 15 minutes knows how ball-breaking the bodkin repair is. Use a cheaper sidearm - I kill plenty of people in heavy armor with my Nordic Short Sword and 0 wpf (although admittedly, 8 PS). If you don't have a build with some melee capability, stick by a buddy and use him as a bodyguard. If you still can't make money, just play on an alt and transfer excess gold to your archer. Despite all the crying, I haven't found making money in c-RPG to be impossible, even as an archer with a longbow and bodkins.
TL:DR?
Stop being so fucking lazy and at least skim through what I posted. I'm only mildly retarded, so you may find it worth reading.
I can only speak from my personal experience. My main has been an archer for about a year, give or take a few months, and 90% of the time my set-up has been MW Long Bow and one stack of bodkins + one stack of regular arrows and a 0 slot sword. I'm actually incredibly pleased with this patch overall. Over the past few days, I feel that my score has more accurately reflected my performance than it did pre-patch. When I'm accurately predicting my target's movement, I do well. When I'm completely shitting the bed, I've had a negative K:D.
Archery provides a different experience from melee classes. In my experience, it's a bit slower paced and focuses on the player's ability to accurately measure speed, judge distance, and predict the target's movement/notice movement patterns. Some players are naturally better at these skills, while others (such as myself) have to practice archery for a while before they can be consistently effective. Infamous archers are usually long-time players (the experience making it easier to predict other players' movements) who have either practiced archery enough or are naturally good at judging speed and distance. Rohypnol, for example, is ridiculously effective as any ranged class he plays because he has played for a long time and (it seems) is naturally good at judging speed and distance. I specifically recall him respeccing to archer after some patch within the last year (I can't remember when, sue me) and topping the scoreboard all day long. He then proceeded to proclaim archery as an easy class, and to be fair, it seemed pretty easy for him.
Item balancing shouldn't be based on these types of players. I read this entire thread and dismissed basically every "archery is still completely viable" post that used Algarn's position on the scoreboard as proof. Algarn seems be one of the top archers in EU, so it's fairly dumb to base the balancing of archery on his scores. People rarely complain when melee classes top the board with ridiculous scores, but when an archer has a couple great rounds, half of the server has fucking seizures and asthma attacks from the sperglord rage. This, it seems, is based off of frustration because they never had a chance to fight back.
I'm a bit too lazy to quote every post I saw, but I hope anyone reading this can read previous posts and make the connections.
Let's address the arrow count change. I can't believe I'm saying this, but I completely agree with Tydeus (pinch me, is it real?) I think the nerf was too severe, but that decreasing the arrow count is good for the server. Sure, archers may not be able to sit in the back of the field and take endless shots anymore, but it forces us to be more selective about which shots we take rather than develop carpal tunnel from firing non-stop for the entire round. Over the past few days, I have not noticed the arrow count nerf decrease my effectiveness. It has only stopped me from taking across-the-map shots and has encouraged me to wait for surer shots before firing. This type of more thoughtful, targeted play is better for the server and doesn't necessarily decrease an archer's potential effectiveness (except perhaps in large servers - learn to scavenge for arrows!!!), although it may require archers to change the way they play. In fact, being closer to the action forces archers to rely on their teammates for protection. Isn't this the type of teamwork that the OP was encouraging? Inter-class reliance?
Next, the accuracy increase. In order to make up for the ammo nerf, accuracy was increased on bows. Also, players are more accurate because of the level buff from this patch. I have 170 wpf in archery and am very accurate with my long bow, even in medium-light armor. This buff has not necessarily increased my performance by an absurd amount, but has caused my effectiveness to be more directly related to how well I am judging speed, distance, and movement patterns. Pre-patch, it was a mixture of luck and personal performance. Keeping in mind that any ranged class will always have an element of luck to it, we should look to minimize the role luck plays and maximize the player's skill. Say, for example, my reticule is roughly the size of the target's entire body. My shot has the potential to hit the torso (most likely), hit the head (less likely), or miss completely. The outcome in this situation is based on luck, not the skill of the player. Let's replace the body-sized reticule with a completely tight reticule (maybe twice the size of a target's head at medium distance?) and the potential outcomes are based much more on where the player is aiming and much less on luck. If the player is able to track the movement of the target's head (hard at any decent distance), they deserve that headshot. If he can track the torso, he hits the torso. If he slips, or has a temporary ballsack-cramp, or doesn't track the target properly, he misses. This has been my experience over the past few days - I hit (or don't hit) where I'm aiming. Maybe we need to further re-balance other properties of archery to compensate, but the general idea behind the accuracy buff is a good one.
Third, the damage nerf. Personally, I'm a fan of this nerf. Despite Jeade & Co's supposed tests, I have still been able to kill plenty of people post-patch. Granted, I'm using the heaviest bow, but I've seen other archers with as low as horn bows be effective as well. Nomad and Tatar bows are cheap and light.... they shouldn't have the killing power of a more expensive, heavier bow. The simple sword shouldn't be as effective as an arming sword, so stop whining. Either use a smaller bow, save money, and hold your tongue, or shell out the gold and pay for a heavier bow.
Lastly (I think), is the cost aspect of archery. As long as I've been playing, archery has been somewhat of a money drain. In fact, I'm currently poor as shit (although that could be due to terrible money-management skills). On a x1, I lose money. On a x2, I generally lose a little money. x3 and above, I tend to come out on top. Perhaps other people have had different experiences, but that's how it usually turns out for me. There are tricks to cut down the cost of archery. Using 1 stack of bodkins on top of 1 stack of a cheaper arrow stack has saved me tons of money! Anybody who has played archer for 15 minutes knows how ball-breaking the bodkin repair is. Use a cheaper sidearm - I kill plenty of people in heavy armor with my Nordic Short Sword and 0 wpf (although admittedly, 8 PS). If you don't have a build with some melee capability, stick by a buddy and use him as a bodyguard. If you still can't make money, just play on an alt and transfer excess gold to your archer. Despite all the crying, I haven't found making money in c-RPG to be impossible, even as an archer with a longbow and bodkins.
TL:DR?
Stop being so fucking lazy and at least skim through what I posted. I'm only mildly retarded, so you may find it worth reading.
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General Off Topic / Re: SMEGMAR's cRPG art request board! (VERY NSFW)
« on: October 18, 2014, 12:17:24 am »
Well, you've given me something to think about over the weekend... although you already drew my c-rpg character, so I don't know what else I'd want.
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General Discussion / Re: Upcoming "Revival" patch
« on: October 17, 2014, 12:36:10 am »
There's only one thing missing from this thread.... Kaoklai's downvote!
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General Discussion / Re: DonkStar Productions Presents: Donkey Trap
« on: September 19, 2014, 07:40:14 am »
Please post the backbeat so that people can record themselves, I want to hear Vengt try his heart out. He could be a future star.
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General Discussion / Re: Upkeep Conspiracy
« on: September 18, 2014, 03:30:49 am » (click to show/hide)
Heresy!!!
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General Discussion / Re: A New Level of c-RPG Sperglord
« on: September 18, 2014, 02:20:46 am » (click to show/hide)
The Squid and Occitan shirts look really nice!
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General Discussion / A New Level of c-RPG Sperglord
« on: September 18, 2014, 12:51:20 am »
I have achieved a new level of c-RPG sperglord-ness. For only $22.00 (t-shirt) and/or $25.00 (phone case) plus S&H, you can join me.
It's not fake, TitsJester made the t-shirts through RedBubble and I ordered off of the website.
http://www.redbubble.com/people/argschnarbler/works/12615844-kutt-clan-logo?p=t-shirt
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Looks fake
It's not fake, TitsJester made the t-shirts through RedBubble and I ordered off of the website.
http://www.redbubble.com/people/argschnarbler/works/12615844-kutt-clan-logo?p=t-shirt
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Game Admin Feedback / Re: [NA] Jeade
« on: September 16, 2014, 07:58:44 am »
Serious Admin Feedback:
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General Discussion / Re: SMOOTHRICH CHALLENGES CANARY FOR #1 NA BADMIN OF ALL TIME
« on: September 16, 2014, 07:41:38 am »It's relevant to this thread cos they look exactly like Smoothrich in the video. Smoothrich=America? :O
Smoothrich looks more like the kid buying energy drinks, to be honest. The more your hair recedes, the more you love Linkin Park instead of Teletubbies. The more your stomach grows, the more you love karaoke and cheap vodka instead of 99 cent energy drinks.
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General Discussion / Re: SMOOTHRICH CHALLENGES CANARY FOR #1 NA BADMIN OF ALL TIME
« on: August 08, 2014, 08:14:41 am »
As the person who was smart/bored/dumb enough to download this video before Smoothrich originally took it off YouTube, I'd suggest that everyone calm the fuck down and just enjoy the comedic value of Uncle Smoothrich's drunken Christmas ramblings. I'm glad I uploaded this to KUTT ts though, we haven't had some good forum drama for a while; I'm just sad that I read through 15 pages of comments without seeing a single response from Canary...
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General Off Topic / Re: What are you listening to?
« on: March 26, 2014, 07:48:32 am »[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w3buJfM7-CA[/youtube]
......fucking fail.
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Spam / Re: 100k To the Best Essay on Why I'm a total my old friend
« on: March 26, 2014, 07:41:18 am »
At first, I thought about writing an essay. After reading Tanken's detailed story, I realized that his creativity far exceeds mine, so I am going to keep it short and sweet. Also, in the spirit of being gay, I'll make it a poem.
UnholyRolyPoly-
A "bundle of sticks" right from birth. *For the purpose of correct syllables, please substitute the two syllable equivalent of "bundle of sticks."
He always checked
The size and shape,
The head, the shaft, the girth.
The moment that Roly realized he was gay,
Was not during gym class or lunch.
He noticed that he was a huge fucking my old friend,
While attending a mid-morning brunch.
His parents are gone,
Now Roly's a loner.
All men yell, "[Y] Retreat!"
At the sight of his boner.
UnholyRolyPoly-
A "bundle of sticks" right from birth. *For the purpose of correct syllables, please substitute the two syllable equivalent of "bundle of sticks."
He always checked
The size and shape,
The head, the shaft, the girth.
The moment that Roly realized he was gay,
Was not during gym class or lunch.
He noticed that he was a huge fucking my old friend,
While attending a mid-morning brunch.
His parents are gone,
Now Roly's a loner.
All men yell, "[Y] Retreat!"
At the sight of his boner.