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You know I have to admit Ukraine's government is prob very much to blame here, for not being transparently corrupt enough. Any proper Cold War 2.0 regime would be letting US and Russia woo and bribe them for decades without provoking one side too much. I guess overthrowing your democratically elected President a week after he announces some trade deal with Russia is bad for business and kinda awful negotiating lol.
It sounds like to me the West wants to invest in infrastructure and crap in Ukraine, aka open up McDonalds and steal oil prob lol or whatever, while Russia gets lots of cheap exports from Eastern Ukraine factories while Russia gives them fuel electricity etc? None of this shit is mutually exclusive in the first place..
If those idiots sat down and made a deal that made it legally binding and abundantly the USA prob is more interested in building businesses in Ukraine with loads of kickbacks down the line to Dick Cheney (Haliburton) or whoever is still pulling the strings, not NATO bases. Why would we want to nuke our only ride to the International Space Station?
I mean.. wouldn't Ukraine be more productive with more investment and fair trade by America AND Russia?
Quick google of Ukraine and Haliburton and it sounds pretty on point and extremely retarded.
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/with-stakes-in-ukraine-us-companies-hope-for-stability/
America putting sanctions on Russia for their unlawful military intervention in Ukraine probably does more to damage Ukraine's economy instead of Russia's in the end I bet, since Russia is Ukraine's chief line of credit and primary trade partner. And the whole reason US officials are probably mad in the first place is how much money is being lost. Sanctions could be harming the country as bad as the neverending embarrassingly melodramatic secession attempts by random cities that are so painfully obvious as FSB operations from top to bottom staffed by drunk slav rednecks who get free vodka for waving a Russian made DPR flag around like its the fourth of july. This shit should've stopped after those idiots shot down a commericial airliner with big boy weapons that don't belong outside of first world (and I guess Russia counts too heh) militaries with real chains of command and crap.
Poor Ukraine. Is Russia just being greedy or is no one even negotiating in good faith to begin with?
Maybe we really should send someone like Donald Trump over there lmao, he'll figure out how to make everyone rich so no one gets all butt hurt about a deal and overthrows their lawful government or indiscriminately shells civilian packed cities with artillery or whatever for another year. This shit started out as contract negotiations about some loan crap that left half of Ukraine livid over the terms, maybe just rewind time if possible and make a better deal or something that has some profit and prosperity in it for all of us civilized people, East Vs West crap isn't even cool when both sides are actually more worried about crazy fucker islamic jihadists anyways. PPl make conspiracy theories to explain our shitty, downward spiraling globally corrupt international economy and immature, greedy leaders having temper tantrums when they don't get their way lol
Why are Ukrainians and Russians still killing each other? Grow up guys. Can't you just agree to some states rights bullshit in Eastern Ukraine where they pay tribute to Kiev and stay one country, but just allow Russian-flag waving Cossacks to go around beating up gays and hanging paintings of Putin everywhere or whatever the goal is?Lets see a typical russian answer:
I seriously don't understand the problem here when there is so much room for compromise. Fucking East Slav scum.
Ukraine ...<blablabla>...NOTICE - its "UKRAINE" first, not putler. Though in fact - its the opposite Once russia stops pouring its bullshit on the flames - they will die out in a month or two...Putin.putler.
Ukraine has acceded to the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty. Ukraine inherited about 5,000 nuclear weapons when it became independent from the Soviet Union in 1991, making its nuclear arsenal the third-largest in the world.[83] By 1996, Ukraine had voluntarily disposed of all nuclear weapons within its territory, disassembling them in Russia.[84]This is TRAINING. For when you need to save Kursk 2 and have nothing more than a bucket and a shovel!
Meanwhile in Russia (taking over Ukraine in 1 max 2 days):
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Casimir claims that state sovereignty is of utmost importance to him and then denies them exactly that by not allowing those states to decide "We want to be NATO!".I can only second that. Being from one of those small ex-ussr states - joining NATO and EU were the best things that happened since we got back our independence IMO and thank god noone asked russias oppinion.
Who are you and who is Russia to decide that they shouldn't?
yep reread full version, you are right :PIam just a man and not a spartan like u so happens that I'm wrongBut.... are you really russian?
hurr durr u wrong all the time says spartan
Greece and Ukraine in 1 year:Wrong thread!
When 1700 civilians were killed after NATO shellings Yugoslavia. Who killed them?You know... I want to read some sense from you "train wreck of thought", but... its just fucking whatabautism or simple autism... Since Dave has some medical expertise and diagnosed autism - I'll go with that
Ahaha, so who killed this 6000 people?Both sides in a pointless artificial war? Or shall we go and blame comrade Kalashnikov post-portem for inventing AK-47, AK74, etc and being at fault for all those dead in Africa too?
So how then 6000 civilians were killed?Because of war, which was caused by this.. oh,.. how was that shit-hole called... rUSSIA! Yeah, thats the name of the sheeple-cleptocracy!
This 6000 lifes lost because of ukrainian bombardments. I don't remember you accusing them. don't remember accusing NATO, you are just russian hater, because of that you pissed so muchOh... so you want to tell me, that Ukrainians one day decided "fuck this shit, its too peacefull, need some sport, lets bomb something" and just went about bombing shit? Cool story bro... care to elaborate how come pink diploma owner can spit such bullshit?