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cRPG => General Discussion => Topic started by: Killroth on January 13, 2011, 12:30:12 am
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something needs to be done about 2hander spam its ridiculous
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Let's buff archery!
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Its not spam, it's skill :mrgreen:
On a serious note, spam has been already dealt with by lowering WPF, for example with 6 WM @ lvl 31 before patch you had 180 WPF, now you have 150 WPF. It's a big difference.
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Get a shield, manual block, chamber block, pick up throwing, archery, xbow, maintain a safe distance from melee.
Get a horse.
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I'd like to assert the feeling that downer has said all that was needed to be said.
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something needs to be done about 2hander spam its ridiculous
People stopped whining about spammers once they learned to play. Get with the times... Whine about horses or throwers or throwers on horses or something like that.
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Let's buff archery!
What about not buffing range this time, but nerfing shield against the ranged and buffing shield users against 2h but also make them more skill based ?
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I'm not great at manual blocking/toe-to-toe fighting, but I usually have a pretty high K:D ratio. Why?
Horses. Get one, shank those 2-handers from behind, and enjoy being the one that draws the complaints for a while. :)
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Let's overbuff archery!
fixed. :3
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It's not spam, it's Jeet Kune Do, defense by intercepting attacks with attacks.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tg2oeP3-yKk&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tg2oeP3-yKk&feature=related)
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No, it's definately spiced ham.
I think there should be a timing issue with blocking. If you reached the block stance just slightly before the hit lands, your opponent should be interrupted in his cooking of the spiced ham. If you just blocked like usual, he should be able to continue the kitchen-work.
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Zagibu, a mod for Jedi Knight: Jedi Academy called Movie Battles 2 has something similar to that idea. If you manual blocked while fighting another lightsaber/force user right before they hit, their weapon would be disarmed. I would support that but it would change duel mode a LOT.
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Sometimes the best thing a two hander or polearm user can do against a sword-and-boarder is KEEP attacking! It may seem like mindless mouse clicking, but more often its a calculated risk... keep attacking, hoping your swings will negate their attacks. The advantage of shield less weapons is you can get more attacks off faster. The downside... No shield.
Oh, and practice chamber. It KILLS "spammers"
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Honestly, I've never been up against any player where I couldn't get an attack in. Sometimes against fast people, you are trying so hard to get in your blocks, you don't realize that you can release your block and attack.
If someone just holds up a shield, I'm going to "spam" them. If someone actually blocks and attacks me, I will block and attack back.
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If someone just holds up a shield, I'm going to "spam" them. If someone actually blocks and attacks me, I will block and attack back.
This.
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If someone just holds up a shield, I'm going to "spam" them. If someone actually blocks and attacks me, I will block and attack back.
I've never tried 1h shielder in crpg but from what I see its exactly the same vice versa. If a skilled shielder sees me being hesitant, he will face hug and spam me to death. Unless I block and hit back, then he will hold back and be more carefull.
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same as the last few posts, as a sword and boarder, i know im fucked when a 2hander comes at me and the first thing i do is put my shield up. At that point i have lost the fight.
you need to have an attack ready, look at where they are swinging from and try and go the other way when you release you swing. The worst thing you can do in a duel with a 2 hander is let them spam you. best defense in that case is a good offense.
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same as the last few posts, as a sword and boarder, i know im fucked when a 2hander comes at me and the first thing i do is put my shield up. At that point i have lost the fight.
you need to have an attack ready, look at where they are swinging from and try and go the other way when you release you swing. The worst thing you can do in a duel with a 2 hander is let them spam you. best defense in that case is a good offense.
How dare u suggest a sword and boarder go on the attack
Can't we just nerf everything until one thing dominates range defence, melee vs melee and melee vs cav? :rolleyes:
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Guys, i have made my first ever 2h char after the patch... I have never manual blocked before and such. Yet, having a great maul, i made over 50 kills on a single siege map yesterday, and had top score 2 maps in a row. Something is not right... Yes, its a siege, and maul is sort of perfect for it, but still. There was another guy on the opposite team, wearing samurai set and Nodachi, had close to my kills ( top score for their team ), and i NEVER seen him blocking, not one time. Just swinging the damn 2h from one side to another. I felt embarrassed for both of us really...
As I wrote in the last update thread, stamina - would be a solution for mindless spamming ( have been suggested countless times before, so there could be some game limitations ). If it is not possible to make stamina: 3 consecutive attacks with less then 2 sec interval = - 20% to Power Strike/Draw/Throw for 2 sec ( stacking and resetting the 2 sec penalty). So you can swing it, but deal less damage, and if you spam for 20-30 sec non stop ( depending on the weapon speed ), you will be down to 1 Power Strike/Draw/Throw.
It is not Street Fighter after all, hehe.
Might be a shit idea ( i am on my 3rd joint this evening... toke-toke ), but at least it seems not gameplay breaking to me, in the very least. And it would only effect berserkers, who are charging in crowds, swinging weapons like a helicopter. Archers might take the shots more carefully as well ( i dont mind the archers really, but many seems to hate them now even more then before the patch. Even though its annoying to get killed 200 m from battle, while running across a field - archers need to kill someone too, right? Besides, i love to take my sweet revenge, when i sneak on an archer nest, hehe )
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same as the last few posts, as a sword and boarder, i know im fucked when a 2hander comes at me and the first thing i do is put my shield up. At that point i have lost the fight.
you need to have an attack ready, look at where they are swinging from and try and go the other way when you release you swing. The worst thing you can do in a duel with a 2 hander is let them spam you. best defense in that case is a good offense.
You can turtle up with your shield and backpeddle letting the spam hit your shield, the moment of the of the spam attacks miss, change direction and move forward and attack. That's basic turtling, if a 2hander can only spam and can't block well you will hit them every time.
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You can turtle up with your shield and backpeddle letting the spam hit your shield, the moment of the of the spam attacks miss, change direction and move forward and attack. That's basic turtling, if a 2hander can only spam and can't block well you will hit them every time.
What if there are 2 of them?
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What if there are 2 of them?
Then by balance standards you are supposed to die.
If all things are balanced, 2 should beat 1 every time.
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What if there are 2 of them?
With a shield you can block 5 people at once... And with a steel shield it won't break either, unless they all have axes. Be patient, get one guy between you and the other guy. And kill the one guy. Then kill the other guy. A lot of people have had some pretty crazy rounds where they go 10 on 1 and kill all 10. Getting 10 kills a round is easy, but doing it all at once as last man standing is rare and epic, and part of what makes this game fun.
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Then by balance standards you are supposed to die.
If all things are balanced, 2 should beat 1 every time.
U can't balance when u take into account individuals twitch reactions(skill in fps type games) what gaming system being used(crap system with ball mouse and keyboard. Vs quadcore with hyper laser mouse plus other game gear whose also on voice server)
The only problem I have is rubberbanding on NA 80 man feels like my guy is being moved around by god too bad as I like the small server(and I donated so kinda like playing there)
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I learned manual block seriously. And cuz of spammers :D
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Manual block perfection is the first step. Feinting is the second step. Chambering is the third step. Movement and learning when and when not to attack makes you the ultimate meleer.
Sadly, I'm still perfecting manual block which means I'm at the beggining of this patch. Very few people know it all and those the one you see at the top of kill list most of the time. They invested time to learn all those things and they deserve to be on top unlike other classes which take less than a day to be able to own people.
Currently I'm spamming because I'm using Katana but I found very useful way of fighting, especially if you're using light armor and have lots of agi (ninja build f.e.) It's called ninja stab aka jump stab move which is very effective against shielders because many of them don't hold their shield properly. Also whenever you have height advantage use that move to easily kill average oponents. When you jump stab people you confuse them and they go into overhead block mode which means they can easily be slashed or stabed. I much enjoy playing a ninja it's not easy but it's really rewarding, every kill you make feels awesome. Too bad I don't have throwing skill for shurikens :(
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U can't balance when u take into account individuals twitch reactions(skill in fps type games) what gaming system being used(crap system with ball mouse and keyboard. Vs quadcore with hyper laser mouse plus other game gear whose also on voice server)
Just FYI, you never EVER take these things into consideration when you're balancing. You balance around a presumed equality in all of these random factors. That is balance.
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If ninjas are so hard to play, why are there hundreds of them since the patch?
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Because there just aren't enough pirates to help thin out their numbers.
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If ninjas are so hard to play, why are there hundreds of them since the patch?
Hundreds? On every ninja come at least 3 archers. Not every guy wearing black lammelar is ninja fyi. Ninjas don't use bows, polearms, xbows or other swords besides Katana, Nodaichi and Wakizashi.
Roll a ninja if you think it's easy mode :wink:
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Shouldn't a 2H/Ploearm have some sort of delay after swinging?? I mean these are long, heavy weapons.
As a shielder I have a delay before I can attack after blocking which is fine but how can a 2H/polearm just keep swinging away even after a miss which SHOULD put them off balance and the momentum of the swing should delay another.
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Any of the big heavy 2h/polearm weapons already suffer slow speeds and feats like "unbalanced " and that's all that's needed.
Fact is, using two hands and arms to wield a weapon is going to give you far more muscle behind the wielding of a weapon than using just one hand and arm, that combined with the fact that the common polearms and 2h weapons aren't as heavy as you'd imagine, means that it makes perfect sense for these weapons to not be retardedly slow.
Especially considering you have no shield and have to manually block with these weapons too, which puts you at a disadvantage vs any kind of ranged weapon and also when you are outnumbered by players who know what they're doing. I've played all builds and just went back to 1h + shield ( Getting ready for Strategus, if it comes back lol ) after playing 2h and polearms for the past 6 months or more and right now it feels like the most balanced it's ever been where mechanics are concerned.
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Spammers are good for your k/d ratio^^.
Anyway u need to know how to move your feet to spam and also to avoid it.
When a spammer kills me? when i'm too lazy to move properly and block twice or more and then hit him. If u concentrate a little bit they have no chance and i use a mallet(and vs a katana u really feel the difference^^ ) for fun most of the time, so u can trust me.