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cRPG => Suggestions Corner => Topic started by: FRANK_THE_TANK on June 11, 2011, 05:25:33 pm
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I know there is currently a discussion going but I thought an actual poll might be a bit better.
First off personally I want to see it happen. I messed around with my build, I knew what its main focus was but I tinkered with it. The tinkering was a cock up. I have points in stats I have no use for. I tried throwing and put a good bit in it to see if got better over time, and it didn't. Being able to reset stats would allow me to have the build I want to be able to play the way I like to play, I think a lot of other people are in the same boat. They tried archery and then went tank and so forth.
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15k is way too little,make it 500k
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just retire at 15 than. to get 15 again just takes 2 hours
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just retire at 15 than. to get 15 again just takes 2 hours
You can't see your build at its fullest at 15
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if your a decent player you can tell if a build sucks at lvl 20 :|
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chadz already mentioned that he won't do this because it wouldn't be compatible with the upcoming strategus patch or something like that. If he did allow it, it should be a 100K or more as you can always just retire.
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This is symptomatic of retirement taking too long post-patch. If retirement took less time then players who find their level 25 builds unsatisfactory may more easily play it through till retirement and learn what they can from the experience.
It should be pointed out, though, that this idea is also a fantastic gold sink. If players could pay 10k per skill point re-stat, 100k per attribute point re-stat, and 1k per wpf re-stat then this may mitigate the extremely wealthy players while not affording day-to-day re-stats.
EDIT: Just read Kesh's post. You can ignore me :)
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15k is way too little,make it 500k
I agree, this will also boost the market by the same occasion.
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theres this thing called retiring you can do it at level 15 it resets your stats....
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...and you lose all time so far invested. I think it could be a good gold sink. It should be pretty expensive, though, a full restat not below 100k. Also, if it is a problem for Strategus, simply don't allow it on such characters.
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theres this thing called retiring you can do it at level 15 it resets your stats....
C'mon, think with your head, not your feet.
I'm level 32 and I'll NOT retire to change a little thing in my build.
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C'mon, think with your head, not your feet.
I'm level 32 and I'll NOT retire to change a little thing in my build.
if you play for high lvl build, you should have planned using the calculator :P
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if you play for high lvl build, you should have planned using the calculator :P
Okay, for that I have to disagree, not all of us knew about that (though I personally did use that), I think what many of these people are getting at, are the patches that vastly change weapon slots and types and combination limitations because of these changes and if you are a gen 1 level 33 thrower/shielder, it does kind of suck to find 3 months later your class combination is no longer viable. But it should really be a major money sink, absolute minimum 6 figures to get it.
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Okay, for that I have to disagree, not all of us knew about that (though I personally did use that), I think what many of these people are getting at, are the patches that vastly change weapon slots and types and combination limitations because of these changes and if you are a gen 1 level 33 thrower/shielder, it does kind of suck to find 3 months later your class combination is no longer viable. But it should really be a major money sink, absolute minimum 6 figures to get it.
agreed that the patches change quite...well, lot, but also agree that it should be like 6 digit number, afterall, those uber high lvls should be on the x5 side of the battle often :))
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The game does need a gold sink (beyond repairs, which I personally think are getting ridiculous), so as long as the cost of the restat is high enough, I have no problem with it.
Anywhere in the 50k-100k range would be fine, I think.
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lol pay 15 to retire, get a loom, sell the loom for 300 k...how much money u got left!? 285 k, retire again, get loom, sell loom....repeat....
Way too easy atleast 300-500 k to retire!
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lol pay 15 to retire, get a loom, sell the loom for 300 k...how much money u got left!? 285 k, retire again, get loom, sell loom....repeat....
Way too easy atleast 300-500 k to retire!
you seem to have misinterpreted the thread
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Yep. It's about restat without retirement. You pay money to undo attribute and skill point investments.
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Oh well i might have misunderstood this but anyway, ill hand out a new example....only archers are able to loom bows, u just reached lvl 31, know bows have got higher value on the market than any other loom, u pay to get ur restat which is "15 k" put the skills in archery....6 pd etc, now ur able to loom a bow with higher value than any other weapon, sell the loomed bow and buy a better weapon for urself, 2H+2 or what build ur gonna go for this time..
still a bit cocky?
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Yeah, 15k is way too low for a full restat. More like 100k, or 15k per point you want to undo.
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Oh well i might have misunderstood this but anyway, ill hand out a new example....only archers are able to loom bows, u just reached lvl 31, know bows have got higher value on the market than any other loom, u pay to get ur restat which is "15 k" put the skills in archery....6 pd etc, now ur able to loom a bow with higher value than any other weapon, sell the loomed bow and buy a better weapon for urself, 2H+2 or what build ur gonna go for this time..
still a bit cocky?
This is a good point, but keep in mind that only archers will buy bows, limiting the market. I do agree that this can be abused the way you explain (especially after a new patch and everyone switches to the latest trend) and the total price is very low.
I think 2k gold a level would be more balanced.
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Oh for fignutones sake!
Edit: was drunk, and angry, at many things, vented.
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Oh for fignutones sake!
What ever, you don't get it. You live in the land of the MMO where the objective isn't fun its grind and a 3inch extension of your epeen. All I want to do is have fun with the game on the one server I can get on. I don't want the throw ability it doesn't interest me, I think its poop. But after sinking some points into hoping for an improvement and getting sweet FA I'm now stuck with. Its stupid, the whole idea of not getting a roll back that isn't a massive "haha you didn't know exactly what was going to happen and after asking for help and searching around the forums and not finding it you blew it, hahahaha" slap in the face start all over again do not pass go do not collect 200$ is a furrfy a non sequitur utter drible, cock wank, dick cheese, bullshit, mass retardation.
What a silly bunch of prigs.
after reading this i lost all interest in your posts, very nice constructive discussion, i do agree that some people on these forums are pricks, but do not generalize please
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You see many MMO where you have the right to retire but keep your gear and gold (lvl15) or event retire and gain a better weapon, and i don't know MMO where you can already jump to max soft cap level (skip fun to 30)?!?
It seems that your problem is that you want to change build but you want to keep gold and gear, and you don't want to grind again. Then, how about retire now, and jump to 30 with your heir? (Still you have to plain wisely your new build).
This give you many solution to play the mod as you want and have fun.
If everybody could change build then you'll see some changing their build for flavor of the month.
(Btw, in SP you can't change your build and you can't retire or jump to 30...)
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Good point Gheritarish about retiring and lvl popping. Its what I did. The only downside is that you can not rejoin the whole lvling aspect of the game with out deleting the char. And if like me you did it with a well equipped character you only get one shot at it.
My only advice is don't do it when your tired... All in all it worked out it well. Just wish I had 1 more skills point then my build would be pretty much exactly what I want, but that would require the now and forever unreachable lvl 31, lol.
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If everybody could change build then you'll see some changing their build for flavor of the month.
Not if it would cost a reasonable amount of gold.
Also, Guild Wars is an example for an MMO with a "Skip the fun" feature. I don't like MMOs in general, just sayin'...
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Ok Zagi, you're right.;)
But i remember that stat respec has always been persona non grata for chadz and dev team.
Btw Dangah you won many hours of grinding, now you just grind for gold which come pretty fast in peasant gear!
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well if this is not going to happen, then AT LEAST let us reallocate are points after a major patch,
i nearly did not have enough points to use my MW weapon after they change the strenght requirement, what if i had leveled past 31? that would really be unfair dont you think?
if you are going to change the str requirement again let us reallocate point please
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well if this is not going to happen, then AT LEAST let us reallocate are points after a major patch,
i nearly did not have enough points to use my MW weapon after they change the strenght requirement, what if i had leveled past 31? that would really be unfair dont you think?
if you are going to change the str requirement again let us reallocate point please
That's what happen to a friend, and he was forced to retire, he was 30 and his build would have been what he wanted at level 31, but new requirement screw it all, so he retire, now he's at level 29 and it's a pain for him to grind again. But he said "this is the game, this is live, you need challenge otherwise life would be lame".
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Not if it would cost a reasonable amount of gold.
Also, Guild Wars is an example for an MMO with a "Skip the fun" feature. I don't like MMOs in general, just sayin'...
Guild Wars was a shitty-ass game, but this was one thing they got right. The ability to start off a character and be decent at high level play. Additionally, respecing your character in that game was a breeze.
I will admit, I loved the monk class in Guildwars. One of the best designed party's-bitch ever. Lots of fun to play.
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now that I think about it... those three things are about all I liked about that game.
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I think they allowing respec for lvl 32+ people would be a good thing to do.
The option I have taken is to retire and skip the fun. I've deleted my character twice in 2 days now, testing out different builds, playing as my most hated builds archers and cav.
But for the people way out there in the distant reaches of the levelingexosphere this option is just not good enough.
People being able to exploit a respec for the sake of looming archer gear for cash, I agree that would be a bad outcome. So having the respec ability kick in at lvl 32 should get make the potential for that abuse really low and hopefully a none issue. No one in there right mind is going to grind that much xp for the sake of 200k gold. In the time it takes them to get to lvl 32 they would have blasted most of the way back to 31 and gained a heap of gold in the process, and they would have a loomed item they could use themselves.
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I've added a new vote option to the poll. Please comment on weather the poll should be reset to reflect this new option.
Cheers
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maybe if you do this, you'll get back 50% exp of your lvl
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32 + should be able to do respec some points, but not a full respec.
Besides that, I would like to see an "undo" for your latest change. This would cost gold and the cost is exponentially raised with every lvl.
So if you are lvl 2 and you think you have put your new points in the wrong place you can pay an X amount of gold ( should be cheap for lvl 2) to readjust ONLY your latest changes.
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Next patch will probably add a funny way to kind of respec.
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Oh Vargas, now that you speak you should tell us more ! ;)