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Title: Thank You Gentleman
Post by: BlackxBird on February 04, 2018, 12:55:12 am
I enjoyed playing crpg again for two months. It started slow but right now, wow. The amount of ranged players raised from day to day. I have to constantly watch my players GTX. The only reason I can stand that shit for more than 5 minutes is some beer  :mrgreen: . But that is no long term solution I gues^^.

I just want to make u guys aware that u kill the mod. Once again. 2 years ago it was the throwers and trollers. Today it is the archers and crossbows

The mods population raised fast, got high. And kept there. Then it fell slowly, but consitent.

Get a shield, get over it, crybaby. That's what you're called when saying anything about it. I think I played this shit long enough to consider this to be fatal. There is a point when Balancers and Admins can't do shit anymore.

I remember being on a completely open field map two days ago. I was like "omg fuck this no way to do good here". Someone mentioned he remembers someone going 50:1 here. HOW. How was he able to do that? As a melee. Nowadays u can be stronger than any other melee, but still get rekt if u're unlucky. It is not about ranged being too op. There were ranged. And good ones. OMG. They dominated servers on their own, but the moment they were outplayed they got rekt. I'm leading battles since I am 14. There is no way melee can outplay ranged in anyway if the ranged are too many. 

And to you dear Athelar. You did the exact oposite of what you were supposed to do. Bring closer maps so people can get cover. What happened? 50% of the maps are open field now. GJ. Not saying I don't appreciate the try, but dood u 100% failed. I understand everyone playing EU7 right now even though I never did.

I'm gonna join the strat battles, but holy fuck as long as u guys keep that up Im not trying to get players to play and neither am I playing on my own. (Only I got atleast 10 old players to play actively again)

Edit: I know I'm pretty hated in this community and I will get a shitton of downvotes here probably, but maybe some of u will be encouraged to make the mod environment playable again. PLZ don't let it die again.
Title: Re: Thank You Gentleman
Post by: Asheram on February 04, 2018, 01:04:54 am
If you only playing strat now then can I have that mw I gave you back to replace that mw you gave me when you gave all your stuff away? :D
Title: Re: Thank You Gentleman
Post by: BlackxBird on February 04, 2018, 01:05:33 am
Quote from: Asheram on February 04, 2018, 01:04:54 am
If you only playing strat now then can I have that mw I gave you back to replace that mw you gave me when you gave all your stuff away? :D

I need mw things to play some duels before the strat battles start sorry :(  :mrgreen:
Title: Re: Thank You Gentleman
Post by: Asheram on February 04, 2018, 01:06:37 am
Was just kidding I know you will be back.  :D
Title: Re: Thank You Gentleman
Post by: Chris_the_Animal on February 04, 2018, 02:52:48 am
+1
Title: Re: Thank You Gentleman
Post by: illogical on February 04, 2018, 07:38:44 am
I play holy Siege all years, but players are gone. I started playing gay shiet mode Battle and I'm used to it. Game changes in small things, but it remains itself.
Be a man, man.
Title: Re: Thank You Gentleman
Post by: Gnjus on February 04, 2018, 08:03:27 am
Quote from: BlackxBird on February 04, 2018, 12:55:12 am
I'm leading battles since I am 14.
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Quote from: BlackxBird on February 04, 2018, 12:55:12 am
I know I'm pretty hated in this community
I don't think anyone around here hates angry german kids.
Title: Re: Thank You Gentleman
Post by: Asheram on February 04, 2018, 08:16:05 am
Quote from: Gnjus on February 04, 2018, 08:03:27 am
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Title: Re: Noone will miss you
Post by: BlackxBird on February 04, 2018, 02:16:02 pm
Quote from: HESKEYTIME on February 04, 2018, 01:12:42 pm
http://forum.melee.org/general-discussion/new-map-rotation-(eu1)/

He changes map rotation just one week ago, and was changing the rotation again based on player feedback.

Get over yourself and stop being a dick to the people trying to keep cRPG going.

LOL I don't feel like a dick to say what is true. I mean I kept crpg going for some months and was insulted all of the time.. Making two battles a day and eventually not even being banned was sad but fuck it.

If there are no people QQing and troublemaking here, why would there be a balancing team? Why would there be an developer if everything was fine?


Quote from: Gnjus on February 04, 2018, 08:03:27 am
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I don't think anyone around here hates angry german kids.

That's 7 years ago fyi :)
Title: Re: Thank You Gentleman
Post by: fetus on February 04, 2018, 02:27:25 pm
"If you cant beat them, join them."
Title: Re: Thank You Gentleman
Post by: bensai on February 04, 2018, 02:50:21 pm
i got on NA1 last night for some the normal shits and giggelry but out of like the 24 people on the server, probably 15 had crossbows BUT the funniest part is; out of those 15, maybe 6 or 7 were dedicated crossbowmen. the rest were just the normal melee crowd bringing around crossbows to fuck around. like really. it IS actually ruining the fun. the only reason i have ever alt-f4'd crpg and retired for the night is when there is ranged malaria like that
Title: Re: Thank You Gentleman
Post by: _Tamra_ on February 04, 2018, 02:52:53 pm
Just try bringing back EU2 with Happy Hours n stuff, or make EU1 only changing between battle and siege every few days. I'm sure this would work out just fine. See retarded Mercenaries mod for example (been saying that for 2 years now and I know they're working on HH).
Title: Re: Thank You Gentleman
Post by: Athelar on February 04, 2018, 04:54:07 pm
Quote from: BlackxBird on February 04, 2018, 12:55:12 am

And to you dear Athelar. You did the exact oposite of what you were supposed to do. Bring closer maps so people can get cover. What happened? 50% of the maps are open field now. GJ. Not saying I don't appreciate the try, but dood u 100% failed. I understand everyone playing EU7 right now even though I never did.



Dear Blackbird,

I'm aware of this issue, and I might've said a few times that the map rotation list isn't final, it's still under development. The thing is, there has never been as much ranged as there is now. It's like players just took advantage of open maps and changed class to ranged to feel OP once. Unfortunately, I can not update the server as often as I would, until Professor is done with his exams. (hopefully soon)

I think the main problem here is the autobalance, that seems to be putting 80% of ranged on the same team. This is obviously something that are in the works to fix.

I see the usual complaining about maps when I'm playing, but are people going to my thread to do anything about it? No, only a few. I really want to understand what aspects of the maps you don't like. (Link below) It's not as easy as you think to make a well-balanced map rotation without adding the same maps from the previous one. 60% of current maps are from the previous map rotation, 40% from 2010-12 (some never played).

http://forum.melee.org/general-discussion/new-map-rotation-(eu1)/

Planning to add 10 maps next time from the previous rotation, that has the same scn name, but hopefully they got more cover. I did what I had to do, to not bore people to death with the same map rotation. I'm sorry it has turned out to be a massive rangedfest, but I had no idea it was gonna be this bad.
Title: Re: Thank You Gentleman
Post by: BlackxBird on February 04, 2018, 05:04:33 pm
Quote from: Athelar on February 04, 2018, 04:54:07 pm
Dear Blackbird,

I'm aware of this issue, and I might've said a few times that the map rotation list is not final, it's still under development. The thing is, there has never been as much ranged as there is now. It's like players just took advantage of open maps and changed class to ranged to feel OP once. Unfortunately, I can not update the server as often as I would, until Professor is done with his exams. (hopefully soon)

I think the main problem here is the autobalance, that seems to be putting 80% of ranged on the same team. This is obviously something that are in the works to fix.

I see the usual complaining about maps when I'm playing, but are people going to my thread to do anything about it? No, only a few. I really want to understand what aspects of the maps you don't like. (Link below) It's not as easy as you think to make a well-balanced map rotation without adding the same maps from the previous one. 60% of current maps are from the previous map rotation, 40% from 2010-12 (some never played).

http://forum.melee.org/general-discussion/new-map-rotation-(eu1)/

Planning to add 10 maps next time from the previous rotation, that has the same scn name, but hopefully they got more cover. I did what I had to do, to not bore people to death with the same map rotation. I'm sorry it has turned out to be a massive rangedfest, but I had no idea it was gonna be this bad.

I did not want to insult u! As I said I highly appreciate the try! And plz keep trying and Im sorry that I couldn't find the time yet to work something out!

I tried finding the old thread (I think uthyrs) but i didnt. He made a reply for every map. People could down or upvote the map. It was pretty organised and simple that way. Maybe u should try the same.
Title: Re: Thank You Gentleman
Post by: Athelar on February 04, 2018, 05:26:59 pm
Quote from: BlackxBird on February 04, 2018, 05:04:33 pm
I did not want to insult u! As I said I highly appreciate the try! And plz keep trying and Im sorry that I couldn't find the time yet to work something out!

Quote from: BlackxBird on February 04, 2018, 12:55:12 am
You did the exact oposite of what you were supposed to do. Bring closer maps so people can get cover. What happened? 50% of the maps are open field now. GJ. Not saying I don't appreciate the try, but dood u "100% failed." "I understand everyone playing EU7 right now even though I never did."

I found it to be a little insulting, especially when you claim that it's all my fault there's ranged everywhere.


Quote from: BlackxBird on February 04, 2018, 05:04:33 pm
I tried finding the old thread (I think uthyrs) but i didnt. He made a reply for every map. People could down or upvote the map. It was pretty organised and simple that way. Maybe u should try the same.

Yeah, if you want to go through several pages to look for one specific map in a list of 100+ maps. About 30 more than before. I could make it more organised by making it in alphabetical order. I'll think about how I'll do it.
Title: Re: Thank You Gentleman
Post by: BlackxBird on February 04, 2018, 05:45:43 pm
Quote from: Athelar on February 04, 2018, 05:26:59 pm
I found it to be a little insulting, especially when you claim that it's all my fault there's ranged everywhere.

I did not say you are the reason for all the ranged? Like where did I do that? I just said u failed to bring the maps people want to play. Atleast the majority


Quote from: Athelar on February 04, 2018, 05:26:59 pm
Yeah, if you want to go through several pages to look for one specific map in a list of 100+ maps. About 30 more than before. I could make it more organised by making it in alphabetical order, but I'll think about how I'll do it.


And what's the problem with that? I would go through the whole post and up or downvote every map. And then in the end take the ones people liked most. A map rotation of 20 maps is enough in my opinion. If people keep complaining about one just switch it with another one.

Edit: Before you do that u should throw those ones out people obv don't want to play. I think with my reply on ur post u should have the better ones already.
Title: Re: Thank You Gentleman
Post by: Athelar on February 04, 2018, 06:14:05 pm
Quote from: BlackxBird on February 04, 2018, 05:45:43 pm
I did not say you are the reason for all the ranged? Like where did I do that? I just said u failed to bring the maps people want to play. Atleast the majority

With everything you said, you're kinda implying that my map rotation is the reason ranged is like it is now.
Title: Re: Thank You Gentleman
Post by: bensai on February 04, 2018, 06:31:45 pm
look here nerds. i genuinely think that the issue is NOT the MAP or the amount of RANGED on a single team OR the OPness of archers as much as it is about the PURE QUANTITY OF RANGED PLAYERS.

It really shouldn't matter if you're playing on a open field and team A has all of the cav and team B has all of the archers. what should matter is if you are on a 15v15 server (30 population), team b has 7 archers and team a has 10 cav

it just ruins the game

to be perfectly honest, archers and crossbows should be pretty strong, but there should NOT be so fucking many of them.

next time you are on battle and it's like 20v20 and you notice theres only a couple archers on the server, even if they are on the same team, you will see that there's no problem at all. ranged stacks arent really a problem at all. it's literally just the SHEER QUANITITY

ive said it so many times and so many people just call me a dumb retard like "DERRRR ASSINGTON THAT WILL NEVER WORK OR BE IN CRPG" but this mod needs some sort of team class portion limit, i.e., no more than 15% of a team can be cav or 15% can be ranged just like in native and NW where admins can limit the proportions of a class allowed

if this kind of code/script whatever already exists in those mods, couldnt it be altered for crpg? IM SORRY IF IT CANT IM NOT A GAME DEVELOPER GOD NOR ARE MANY OF US AT ALL

if doing this is quite actually impossible/impractical, I want to hear it from a DEV'S mouth, not some forum tryhard who thinks they know the game
Title: Re: Thank You Gentleman
Post by: Corsair831 on February 04, 2018, 06:37:10 pm
Quote from: BlackxBird on February 04, 2018, 12:55:12 am
I enjoyed playing crpg again for two months. It started slow but right now, wow. The amount of ranged players raised from day to day. I have to constantly watch my players GTX. The only reason I can stand that shit for more than 5 minutes is some beer  :mrgreen: . But that is no long term solution I gues^^.

I just want to make u guys aware that u kill the mod. Once again. 2 years ago it was the throwers and trollers. Today it is the archers and crossbows

The mods population raised fast, got high. And kept there. Then it fell slowly, but consitent.

Get a shield, get over it, crybaby. That's what you're called when saying anything about it. I think I played this shit long enough to consider this to be fatal. There is a point when Balancers and Admins can't do shit anymore.

I remember being on a completely open field map two days ago. I was like "omg fuck this no way to do good here". Someone mentioned he remembers someone going 50:1 here. HOW. How was he able to do that? As a melee. Nowadays u can be stronger than any other melee, but still get rekt if u're unlucky. It is not about ranged being too op. There were ranged. And good ones. OMG. They dominated servers on their own, but the moment they were outplayed they got rekt. I'm leading battles since I am 14. There is no way melee can outplay ranged in anyway if the ranged are too many. 

And to you dear Athelar. You did the exact oposite of what you were supposed to do. Bring closer maps so people can get cover. What happened? 50% of the maps are open field now. GJ. Not saying I don't appreciate the try, but dood u 100% failed. I understand everyone playing EU7 right now even though I never did.

I'm gonna join the strat battles, but holy fuck as long as u guys keep that up Im not trying to get players to play and neither am I playing on my own. (Only I got atleast 10 old players to play actively again)

Edit: I know I'm pretty hated in this community and I will get a shitton of downvotes here probably, but maybe some of u will be encouraged to make the mod environment playable again. PLZ don't let it die again.

get a shield
Title: Re: Thank You Gentleman
Post by: BlackxBird on February 04, 2018, 07:33:06 pm
Quote from: bensai on February 04, 2018, 06:31:45 pm
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That's exactly what I said. It's not the admins/devs/balancers fault. It's the players. Sure by now instead of changing the ranged classes they could have actually nerfed it to what it was before that undestiny thing. Id really like to know who's idea it was to buff horsearchers again..
Title: Re: Thank You Gentleman
Post by: N1PS on February 04, 2018, 07:48:15 pm
Quote from: bensai on February 04, 2018, 06:31:45 pm
ive said it so many times and so many people just call me a dumb retard like "DERRRR ASSINGTON THAT WILL NEVER WORK OR BE IN CRPG" but this mod needs some sort of team class portion limit, i.e., no more than 15% of a team can be cav or 15% can be ranged just like in native and NW where admins can limit the proportions of a class allowed

Guys, assington said something smart.
Title: Re: Thank You Gentleman
Post by: ArcherHelot on February 04, 2018, 07:52:54 pm
I agree with bensai guy, do not need nerf ranges, you need nerf their population on the server  :|
But it will be difficult to do it right, because there are archers and crossbowmen like me, algarn, veselov most gay, beleg, and some more guys who have all their lives played like ranges, and it will be insulting if we begin to suffer only because some disgruntled schoolchildren-infantrymen began to play ranges :mad:
Title: Re: Thank You Gentleman
Post by: Gnjus on February 04, 2018, 08:02:26 pm
Quote from: ArcherHelot on February 04, 2018, 07:52:54 pm
because there are archers and crossbowmen like me, algarn, veselov most gay, beleg, and some more guys who have all their lives played like ranges

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Title: Re: Thank You Gentleman
Post by: bensai on February 04, 2018, 08:14:02 pm
Quote from: ArcherHelot on February 04, 2018, 07:52:54 pm
I agree with bensai guy, do not need nerf ranges, you need nerf their population on the server  :|
But it will be difficult to do it right, because there are archers and crossbowmen like me, algarn, veselov most gay, beleg, and some more guys who have all their lives played like ranges, and it will be insulting if we begin to suffer only because some disgruntled schoolchildren-infantrymen began to play ranges :mad:

but cant you RP a brave knight with a longsword and transitional?
Title: Re: Thank You Gentleman
Post by: gallonigher on February 04, 2018, 08:38:25 pm
A cap on ranged and cavalry is needed because those 2 classes throw the balance out of whack more than melee.  Archers are forcing more people to bring shields just like cavalry are forcing more people to carry spears.  Frankly, I'm tired of tailoring my playing style around these two wholly unsporting classes.
Title: Re: Thank You Gentleman
Post by: ArcherHelot on February 04, 2018, 08:38:55 pm
Quote from: bensai on February 04, 2018, 08:14:02 pm
but cant you RP a brave knight with a longsword and transitional?
I play this game as archer almost 10 years, including almost 6 years in this mod.
And i still rly like it, why i must change it coz all what can "brave knights" is crying on the forum :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Thank You Gentleman
Post by: mr_baby_head on February 04, 2018, 08:47:56 pm
Quote
why i must change it coz all what can "brave knights" is crying on the forum :rolleyes:

I have had to change my long time 2h main to a Hoplite because of all the people saying dumb shit like "get a shield" and even now I still get shot to shit all round.
Title: Re: Thank You Gentleman
Post by: Asheram on February 04, 2018, 09:26:28 pm
And if you got rid of all the cav and ranged people would make post to hobble all the melee allstars because they are ruining the game.
Title: Re: Thank You Gentleman
Post by: Perverz on February 04, 2018, 09:26:43 pm
Quote from: mr_baby_head on February 04, 2018, 08:47:56 pm
I have had to change my long time 2h main to a Hoplite because of all the people saying dumb shit like "get a shield" and even now I still get shot to shit all round.

get another one  :)
Title: Re: Thank You Gentleman
Post by: Leshma on February 04, 2018, 09:30:13 pm
This thread is complete waste, so many German posters arguing and everyone is writing in English. Makes me sad panda. Best threads are when Germans are shouting in their respective regional form of Deutsch. I certainly can't tell what they are shouting about but can tell they are angry because German words are angry and horny.
Title: Re: Thank You Gentleman
Post by: Leesin on February 04, 2018, 09:31:20 pm
Quote from: Leshma on February 04, 2018, 09:30:13 pm
This thread is complete waste, so many German posters arguing and everyone is writing in English. Makes me sad panda. Best threads are when Germans are shouting in their respective regional form of Deutsch. I certainly can't tell what they are shouting about but can tell they are angry because German words are angry and horny.

Yeah, if only we had Wayyyyne to add his autistic german jewish opininion to the thread.
Title: Re: Thank You Gentleman
Post by: BlackxBird on February 04, 2018, 10:17:57 pm
Quote from: Leshma on February 04, 2018, 09:30:13 pm
This thread is complete waste, so many German posters arguing and everyone is writing in English. Makes me sad panda. Best threads are when Germans are shouting in their respective regional form of Deutsch. I certainly can't tell what they are shouting about but can tell they are angry because German words are angry and horny.

Haltet doch mal die Fresse hier!

So now everybody will play melee yes yes yes?
Title: Re: Thank You Gentleman
Post by: Tindel on February 04, 2018, 10:51:29 pm
I think a cap on ranged and cav makes sense.  Make that cap 1 of each per team.

So 2 cav, and 2 ranged total per server.

That would be nice.
Title: Re: Thank You Gentleman
Post by: bensai on February 04, 2018, 10:52:58 pm
Quote from: ArcherHelot on February 04, 2018, 08:38:55 pm
I play this game as archer almost 10 years, including almost 6 years in this mod.
And i still rly like it, why i must change it coz all what can "brave knights" is crying on the forum :rolleyes:

thats the problem with you "dedicated archers"... you never play anything else religiously. I am truly sympathetic (just kidding, I really dont care about anyone except myself and my own success in all things in life) that you assume something like a 'Class portion limiter' would stop you from eeeeever playing archer again.

but it wont! if you want to play archer if a balancer like this was implemented, just hop on EU1 and if you are prevented from playing archer for the next few minutes then just go play infantry until an archer leaves or something

like I play pretty much all classes. I main 1h, which is what i play the most, but sometimes im feeling 2h, so i have an alt for it, or im feelin cav, i have an alt for it, or im feeling ARCHER, i have an alt for it.

nothing wrong with a little spice in your life.

plus why play archer so much in a game with very mediocre archery mechanics when can enjoy the highly intricate and nuanced and subjectively and beautifully personal art that is melee
Title: Re: Thank You Gentleman
Post by: Lord_Carlos on February 07, 2018, 10:50:03 am
Quote from: BlackxBird on February 04, 2018, 10:17:57 pm
Haltet doch mal die Fresse hier!

So now everybody will play melee yes yes yes?

 :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Title: Re: Thank You Gentleman
Post by: Blackbow on February 08, 2018, 06:22:54 am
dont leave your blackbro !!! :(
i will miss you !
Title: Re: Thank You Gentleman
Post by: BlackxBird on February 08, 2018, 07:55:56 am
Quote from: Blackbow on February 08, 2018, 06:22:54 am
dont leave your blackbro !!! :(
i will miss you !

Just come play strat :D
Title: Re: Thank You Gentleman
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Title: Re: Thank You Gentleman
Post by: //saxon on February 08, 2018, 06:31:20 pm
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Title: Re: Thank You Gentleman
Post by: Blackbow on February 09, 2018, 10:50:01 am
Quote from: BlackxBird on February 08, 2018, 07:55:56 am
Just come play strat :D
strat is shit and full of russians =p