cRPG

cRPG => General Discussion => Topic started by: Protemus on January 23, 2018, 12:00:30 am

Title: Stones
Post by: Protemus on January 23, 2018, 12:00:30 am
Can I first get an answer what mentally challanged dipshit nerfed stones so I can report him and secondly why in the first place are they nerfed !?!?

It's not like half the server is using stones, more like half of them are archers/xbows and you nerf stones !? This is some deep ascended level of retardation
Title: Re: Stones
Post by: Leshma on January 23, 2018, 12:12:17 am
Actually stones are excellent anti archer weapon. Buff them to 20 blunt and witness how both archers and their armored twohanded brethren squeal like little pigs.

There was a time, long ago, when both archers and plated bundle of stickss were OP. So developers/balancers decided to buff throwers to the point where throwing was only viable  profession for about a month. You could be the worst thrower possible and still kill anyone who wasn't a thrower with such easy. It was fun being a thrower back then.
Title: Re: Stones
Post by: Sparvico on January 23, 2018, 12:20:42 am
Frankly I am incredibly happy that stones were nerfed into utter oblivion. That particular brand of ass cancer has needed to go for a long time.
Title: Re: Stones
Post by: Tristan_of_Erzoth on January 23, 2018, 12:23:16 am
clearly you have never played in na1
Title: Re: Stones
Post by: Rando on January 23, 2018, 12:29:27 am
Can I first get an answer what mentally challanged dipshit nerfed stones so I can report him and secondly why in the first place are they nerfed !?!?

It's not like half the server is using stones, more like half of them are archers/xbows and you nerf stones !? This is some deep ascended level of retardation

"There are other, more sensitive balance issues at hand, why was an obvious change that was needed made!?! I want to kill people in plate armor by throwing rocks"

t. your thread
Title: Re: Stones
Post by: Tristan_of_Erzoth on January 23, 2018, 12:32:26 am
also this assumes that the balance team isnt working on anything else. Nerfing rocks took about 2 seconds to do, balancing all the ranged classes is something that takes a bit more finesse.
Title: Re: Stones
Post by: Protemus on January 23, 2018, 12:39:04 am
More like "let's ignore the real mod-killer and nerf something random so we can pretend we work at something and we're active"
Title: Re: Stones
Post by: Protemus on January 23, 2018, 12:40:08 am
clearly you have never played in na1

Oh btw noone cares about NA, dead server don't even mention it you're not important at all.
Title: Re: Stones
Post by: gallonigher on January 23, 2018, 12:43:07 am
Oh btw noone cares about NA, dead server don't even mention it you're not important at all.

Pretty much the only people still working on this mod are located in NA.  Put that in your pipe and smoke it.
Title: Re: Stones
Post by: kasMVC on January 23, 2018, 12:43:19 am
I mean professor took a step in the right direction. Dude has to do all the coding and nonsense by himself. What a mess that must be...


He has a team of "item balancers" who havent done shit as far as any of us can tell. So professor decided that a harmless way to make shields more viable was to decrease the difficulty across the board by one. This will help a little bit and doesn't really affect balance too much.

However, if these so called "item balancers" actually did something and gave the data to professor maybe we could see actual nerfs and buffs that the mod desperately needs. However, most of them are just shit posters and meme kids so nothing drastic will be done in the near future.
Title: Re: Stones
Post by: RD_Professor on January 23, 2018, 12:45:09 am
Can I first get an answer what mentally challanged dipshit nerfed stones so I can report him and secondly why in the first place are they nerfed !?!?
probably some stupid deve
Title: Re: Stones
Post by: Bob_Ross on January 23, 2018, 12:50:26 am
probably some stupid deve
Give him run
Title: Re: Stones
Post by: Tristan_of_Erzoth on January 23, 2018, 01:02:55 am
I mean professor took a step in the right direction. Dude has to do all the coding and nonsense by himself. What a mess that must be...


He has a team of "item balancers" who havent done shit as far as any of us can tell. So professor decided that a harmless way to make shields more viable was to decrease the difficulty across the board by one. This will help a little bit and doesn't really affect balance too much.

However, if these so called "item balancers" actually did something and gave the data to professor maybe we could see actual nerfs and buffs that the mod desperately needs. However, most of them are just shit posters and meme kids so nothing drastic will be done in the near future.

jokes on you that idea was desires
Title: Re: Stones
Post by: kasMVC on January 23, 2018, 01:10:18 am
jokes on you that idea was desires

dude why u always bullying me?
Title: Re: Stones
Post by: Asheram on January 23, 2018, 01:13:41 am
visitors can't see pics , please register or login
Title: Re: Stones
Post by: Sparvico on January 23, 2018, 01:20:08 am
dude why u always bullying me?

Because you are always bullying others.
Title: Re: Stones
Post by: kasMVC on January 23, 2018, 01:24:42 am
Because you are always bullying others.

why dont u ask me what my favorite curry is again u bully or say "ezpz" after u kill me like a bully would
Title: Re: Stones
Post by: Sparvico on January 23, 2018, 01:31:08 am
Cikel do you think it's a funny meme to cry every time someone treats you the way you treat others? Is that why you do this?
Title: Re: Stones
Post by: Yeldur on January 23, 2018, 01:32:01 am
I personally think that completely destroying a class because we don't like it is a terrible development decision. A lot of people don't like archers, do we nerf the class so hard into the floor that it does no damage anymore and is useless? No. We don't. We B A L A N C E them. Destroying a class is NOT balance, it's the very OPPOSITE. One of the main reasons I enjoy C-RPG is because of all the stupid and whacky builds that you can make, I enjoy playing 3/41 (using old builds as an example as I don't know new builds off by heart yet) agi daggerers, I enjoy playing pure STR pure fisticuff tanks, I enjoyed playing an agi based rock thrower.

Rock throwers are a small majority of C-RPG but I do enjoy the class, and now that it's been nerfed, I can no longer play it without effectively trolling because of how useless it now is. The nerf was justified to me by saying it's a peasant weapon. Well we best get started on nerfing the other peasant weapons then right? When is the Pitch Fork nerf coming in? When is the Peasant Knife nerf coming in? When is the beefsplitter nerf coming in? When is the Cleaver nerf coming in? When is the Trident nerf coming in? When is the Scythe nerf coming in? Face it.  A nerf on this scale is utterly ridiculous. Maybe rock throwers needed a bit of tuning, a bit of balancing, but destroying a class is stupid, and it also leaves me wondering, what class will be destroyed next? We seem to be getting pushed towards just playing META builds like 2h kuyak hero spammers as opposed to creating and making new fun builds to piss around with.

Another justification I saw for the destruction of the class was that they could 1 hit people who were wearing no armour, and to that I say, so what? If you have a fucking rock lobbed at you and it smashes you in the head then it is likely to do some serious fucking damage, especially when you're not wearing any armour lmfao. Rocks do low damage to tanky players and high damage to people without armour, which is why they were used to attack archers, as they were actually a counter for them (Which is actually why I played rock thrower, to attack archers and xbows) So by destroying this you have also (technically) buffed archers and xbows. (Very minor buff but it's still a buff)


also inb4 i get a salty reply about how some tincan got destroyed by a rock thrower and firmly believes that because of that one occasion rock throwers deserve the destruction
Title: Re: Stones
Post by: Sparvico on January 23, 2018, 01:36:19 am
(click to show/hide)

I don't think that rock throwers are now, or ever have been, or ever should be, a distinct class from throwers. If anything they were a subversion of the rest of the balance work that had been done on throwers up to this point.
Title: Re: Stones
Post by: Asheram on January 23, 2018, 01:46:08 am
(click to show/hide)

I don't think that rock throwers are now, or ever have been, or ever should be, a distinct class from throwers. If anything they were a subversion of the rest of the balance work that had been done on throwers up to this point.
Except for the fact that rock throwers are the only throwers who can carry the same amount of ammo as an archer- 2 bags of mw bodkins=36 ammo count, rock thrower could carry 36 rocks in 3 slots and carry a melee weapon.

I think if they are going to keep this nerf on rocks then they should increase the ammo count of throwing daggers and throwing stars.
Title: Re: Stones
Post by: kasMVC on January 23, 2018, 01:48:09 am
sparvico do u think its funny when u say "ezpz" after u kill someone cuz no one else thinks its funny
Title: Re: Stones
Post by: Tristan_of_Erzoth on January 23, 2018, 01:48:12 am
Throwers have less ammo because they are more mobile and do more damage per shot. Rock throwers aren't a class, throwing is.
Title: Re: Stones
Post by: Sparvico on January 23, 2018, 01:50:46 am
sparvico do u think its funny when u say "ezpz" after u kill someone cuz no one else thinks its funny

I find it highly amusing. Especially because of how bad I am at this game.

Throwers have less ammo because they are more mobile and do more damage per shot. Rock throwers aren't a class, throwing is.

Exactly this. Rock throwers used to be able to have all the effective damage of an archer (given the ranges involved in both and the relative easiness of tracking closer targets resulting in more hits on target for rock throwers compared to archers) without the movement debuff or really any negative downside beyond the investment in power throw (which all other throwers will have anyhow).
Title: Re: Stones
Post by: Asheram on January 23, 2018, 01:53:42 am
Throwers have less ammo because they are more mobile and do more damage per shot. Rock throwers aren't a class, throwing is.
But do they really do more dmg per shot? Bodkin is 1 pierce which is less as you say but isnt that number also coupled with the bows dmg you use too? For example a yew longbow does 30 cut damage so wouldnt it be like 31 dmg as opposed to my throwing daggers that do only 27 cut?
Title: Re: Stones
Post by: Tristan_of_Erzoth on January 23, 2018, 01:57:36 am
But do they really do more dmg per shot? Bodkin is 1 pierce which is less as you say but isnt that number also coupled with the bows dmg you use too? For example a yew longbow does 30 cut damage so wouldnt it be like 31 dmg as opposed to my throwing daggers that do only 27 cut?

Archery may outperform a throwing dagger in terms of damage (but not rate of fire), but a throwing lance definitely does more damage per shot. 2 slots of lances and 2 slots of daggers gives you 6 shots at 45 pierce (+0, 49 at +3) and an additional 8 shots doing 27(+0, 31 at +3)
Title: Re: Stones
Post by: kasMVC on January 23, 2018, 02:05:22 am
I find it highly amusing. Especially because of how bad I am at this game.

Exactly this. Rock throwers used to be able to have all the effective damage of an archer (given the ranges involved in both and the relative easiness of tracking closer targets resulting in more hits on target for rock throwers compared to archers) without the movement debuff or really any negative downside beyond the investment in power throw (which all other throwers will have anyhow).

so u admit ur a bully a sick bully who finds joy and humor in bullying others
Title: Re: Stones
Post by: Asheram on January 23, 2018, 02:08:27 am
Archery may outperform a throwing dagger in terms of damage (but not rate of fire), but a throwing lance definitely does more damage per shot. 2 slots of lances and 2 slots of daggers gives you 6 shots at 45 pierce (+0, 49 at +3) and an additional 8 shots doing 27(+0, 31 at +3)
But I spec my class (which I used to use rocks when it was pod and had more points to put into athletics than I can now) so I can try to close the distance on archers/cav and pelt them with rocks (well daggers now). Throwing lances are too heavy for what I do- the set up you mentioned is 12 lbs. 3 bags of rocks and a sai is only 8.3lbs and 3 bags of daggers and a sai is only 5.3 ilbs.
Title: Re: Stones
Post by: Sparvico on January 23, 2018, 02:09:47 am
so u admit ur a bully a sick bully who finds joy and humor in bullying others

Typing ezpz in chat isn't bullying someone cikel. Calling them the N-word for fifteen minutes in admin chat might be though. Just a thought for ya.
Title: Re: Stones
Post by: kasMVC on January 23, 2018, 02:14:07 am
Typing ezpz in chat isn't bullying someone cikel. Calling them the N-word for fifteen minutes in admin chat might be though. Just a thought for ya.


uh yea i didnt call anyone specifically that i said "yo those my n*ggas" and such i didnt say "hey sparvico u n*gger"

but whatever fits the narrative of a bully go ahead bully do you
Title: Re: Stones
Post by: Sandersson Jankins on January 23, 2018, 02:20:26 am
why dont u ask me what my favorite curry is again u bully or say "ezpz" after u kill me like a bully would

dude im pretty sure im the only person that ever talks about curry because i fucking love curry so much i'd slay a critter twice my size for some vindaloo right now

and i asked u about it because i figured that you were the wealthiest and most cultured among us lower-middle class savages and trailer trash, thus being more likely to know/circlejerk about curry.

very difficult to convince the dining staff 2 make that shit spicy though, difficult to convince them i am not a chalky whitebread reginald that thinks helmann's mayo is dangerously potent
Title: Re: Stones
Post by: Asheram on January 23, 2018, 02:28:40 am
One thing rocks, daggers or any throwing weapon cant do is hide in dark corners and get kills, they need to be proactive.
Title: Re: Stones
Post by: kasMVC on January 23, 2018, 02:29:06 am
dude im pretty sure im the only person that ever talks about curry because i fucking love curry so much i'd slay a critter twice my size for some vindaloo right now

and i asked u about it because i figured that you were the wealthiest and most cultured among us lower-middle class savages and trailer trash, thus being more likely to know/circlejerk about curry.

very difficult to convince the dining staff 2 make that shit spicy though, difficult to convince them i am not a chalky whitebread reginald that thinks helmann's mayo is dangerously potent

listen here asshole. I'm not indian. Curry is just one dish that we rarely ever eat. but its all the same to you isnt it? fuck off
Title: Re: Stones
Post by: Sandersson Jankins on January 23, 2018, 02:32:44 am
listen here asshole. I'm not indian. Curry is just one dish that we rarely ever eat. but its all the same to you isnt it? fuck off

although understandable if difficult to tell, there wasn't much sarcasm in that previous post, i won't apologize that my feeble attempts to make you laugh or chuckle failed

i'll stop
Title: Re: Stones
Post by: Sparvico on January 23, 2018, 02:36:43 am

uh yea i didnt call anyone specifically that i said "yo those my n*ggas" and such i didnt say "hey sparvico u n*gger"

but whatever fits the narrative of a bully go ahead bully do you

You are so full of shit dude. Almost considered going through the logs because I hate to let an asshole get away with a bad lie but then I remembered I'm already out of fucks to give.
Title: Re: Stones
Post by: kasMVC on January 23, 2018, 02:39:25 am
You are so full of shit dude. Almost considered going through the logs because I hate to let an asshole get away with a bad lie but then I remembered I'm already out of fucks to give.

do it bully
Title: Re: Stones
Post by: Gravoth_iii on January 23, 2018, 04:44:02 am
Wait did throwing get nerfed because of how it performs in comparison to archery? :thinking:
Title: Re: Stones
Post by: Tristan_of_Erzoth on January 23, 2018, 04:52:02 am
Wait did throwing get nerfed because of how it performs in comparison to archery? :thinking:

no? He mentioned that stones were the only way to have the same ammo count as an archer so I was telling why most throwing weapons dont have 36 shots? Clearly you aren't thinking.
Title: Re: Stones
Post by: Gravoth_iii on January 23, 2018, 05:06:38 am
no? He mentioned that stones were the only way to have the same ammo count as an archer so I was telling why most throwing weapons dont have 36 shots? Clearly you aren't thinking.

⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⣄⣤⣤⣤⣤⢄⡀
⢀⢀⣠⣾⣿⣯⠽⠷⢶⣶⣯⣥⣂⢄
⢀⣴⠿⠛⠃⢹⣿⣿⣷⣾⣬⣝⢟⢷⣄
⢸⠃⢀⢀⢀⣾⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣦⡫⡣⡀
⢀⠁⢀⢀⢀⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣮⡚⢄
⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⡿⠿⠿⠆
⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⡿⢿⣿⠉⠠
⢀⢀⢀⢀⢠⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣷⡈⣶⣶⣾⣿⣷⣶⣄
⢀⢀⢀⢀⢸⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⡧⣿⡟⠿⠟⠟⠟⠻⠧
⢀⢀⢀⢀⣸⣿⣿⣿⣿⡿⣟⣛⠿⡟⢐⡬⢤⠤⢄
⢀⢀⢀⢀⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⡟⣅⣶⣎⢢⢻⣷⣾⣷⢀⠁
⢀⢀⢀⢸⣿⣿⣿⣿⣷⣗⣛⠛⠋⠐⣬⣬⣛⣉
⢀⢀⢀⣾⣿⣿⣿⡿⣿⣿⣿⣿⠖⠊⠙⠿⠿⠟
⢀⢀⢰⣿⣿⣿⣿⠛⠋⠍
⢀⢀⢸⣿⣿⣯⣃⡂⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⡀
⢀⢀⠘⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣷⣶⣶⣤⣤⣤⣄⣀⣀⣀⣀⡀⣀⣀⣴⠆
⢀⢀⢀⢿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⡟⠋⢹⠋⠉⠋⢉⠝⢁⣼⡏
⢀⢀⢀⢸⣿⣿⣿⡍⢿⣿⣿⡿⣿⢧⡀⡼⠤⠠⠂⠁⡀⣼⠟⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⠠
⢀⢀⢀⢀⣿⣿⣿⣨⢀⠉⠻⢷⣸⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⡆⢀⠉⠈⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⣠⢠⢄⠢
⢀⢀⢀⢀⣿⣿⣿⣯⣧⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⠁⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⣠⡾⠋⠺⢫⣓⠄
⢀⢀⢀⢀⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣣⣃⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⣠⣴⠟⠉⢀⢀⢀⢀⡨⡆
⢀⢀⢀⢸⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣯⣶⠋⠂⢀⢸⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⠠⢀⠐⠐⢀⠉⠉⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⣼⢹⡟⣧⣄⡀
⢀⢀⢀⠈⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⢟⠉⡀⣈⠸⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢸⣿⣿⣿⡈⠿⣷⣦⡀
⢀⢀⢀⢀⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣟⣿⣟⢄⣐⡑⡀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢸⣿⣿⣿⢾⡆⠈⢿⣷⡀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⣀⣀⣀⣀⡀
⢀⢀⢀⢀⢿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣯⡭⣝⡆⡇⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⠸⣿⣿⣿⣷⣿⡄⢀⠉⢻⣦⣀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⣴⣿⠟⠉⢀⢀⠉⠓⠦⢄⡀
⢀⢀⢀⢀⠸⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣧⣵⣡⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣷⢀⢀⠘⠙⢁⡳⡀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⣠⣶⡿⠋⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⠈
⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣯⣊⡡⢀⢀⠄⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢸⣿⣿⣿⣿⣟⡄⢀⢀⢀⠾⣧⠻⠂⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⣾⡿⠋
⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢸⣿⡏⢿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣇⣇⢀⢀⢀⢀⠠⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢻⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⢀⢀⢀⢀⢩⠇⠑⠄⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⣴⣼⠿⠋
⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢻⣿⡈⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣯⠬⢀⢀⡁⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⠈⢿⣿⣿⣿⣿⡆⢀⢀⢀⠻⣦⠂⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⣀⣠⣴⠾⠛⠉
⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⠈⣿⣧⠘⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣷⣷⡅⠤⠑⠄⣈⠄⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⠈⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⢀⢀⢀⢀⢏⣿⣇⣀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⠉⠉
⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⠸⣿⣆⠹⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣤⢂⣂⣺⠃⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢸⣿⣿⣿⣿⣇⢀⢀⢀⠁⢹⣿⣿⣿⣦
⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢻⣿⣆⠙⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣞⣷⣖⡇⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣄⢀⢀⢀⠙⢿⣿⣿⣿⣟⣿⣆
⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢻⣿⣦⣈⠻⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⢿⡿⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣦⡀⢀⢀⠈⠙⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣦⣄
⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢻⣿⣿⣦⣌⠙⠻⠟⢛⣩⣿⡟⠁⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣤⡀⢀⢀⠈⡹⢿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣷⣄
⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⠻⣿⠿⣿⣿⣶⣤⣙⠿⠟⢀⠠⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣷⣦⡀⢀⢀⠫⢿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣷⣤⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⣀⣀⣀
⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⠙⢷⡈⣧⠻⣮⣝⠓⠂⣰⠃⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢸⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣄⢀⢀⢀⠙⠙⣿⣿⣾⣿⣿⣶⣧⣤⣄⣀⣀⣠⣤⣤⣶⠶⠿⠛⠋⠉⠉⠙⠁
⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⠹⠹⣶⣽⣟⠁⠾⡇⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⠈⣿⣫⢿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣆⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⠋⠉⠙⠻⠿⠿⠿⠿⠛⠛⠋⠉
⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⠈⠙⠿⢿⣶⣀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢹⣣⡌⠻⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣇
⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⠙⢧⣄⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢸⡇⠇⢀⠈⠛⢿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣧⣀
⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⠈⠻⣗⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⡃⠁⢀⢀⢀⢀⠙⠛⠿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣷⣶⣦⣤⣤⣤⣤⣄⣀⣀⡀
⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⡀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⠈⢷⡆⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⠙⠆⡄⣒⠤⣄⣠⣤⣤⣤⠼⠟⠛⠛⠛⠛⠿⠿⠿⠿⢿⡟⠛⠛⠛⠛⠉⠉⠉
⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⡼⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⠈⣿⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⢀⠈⠉⠉⠉..........
Title: Re: Stones
Post by: Morris on January 23, 2018, 06:41:59 am
are people unironically trying to defend stones being able to kill a player in full plate armor with a full strength build?
what the fuck is wrong with you?
Title: Re: Stones
Post by: Morris on January 23, 2018, 06:42:32 am
can't believe my eyes
Title: Re: Stones
Post by: Asheram on January 23, 2018, 06:50:53 am
Rocks are the weapon of gods chosen people visitors can't see pics , please register or login
Title: Re: Stones
Post by: Nightingale on January 23, 2018, 06:56:21 am
Give rocks the stats they had when FrugFrug made Rockthrowing popular. 11 b throwing dmg.

Item balancers influence every decision professor makes balance wise. Each patch you see what was passed by the item balance team.

We are working on Archery, Shield buff, xbows (still T.T) and monitoring damage values for each damage type after our armor soak changes. I'm sorry we aren't shitting out patches left and right. Armor soak is a giant change and making sure we fine-tune it so we don't leave things (like 1h cut) completely nerfed to hell.
Title: Re: Stones
Post by: Morris on January 23, 2018, 06:59:11 am
Rocks are the weapon of gods chosen people visitors can't see pics , please register or login


funny that one of the people who exploited rocks being overpowered to pad their kd is trying to defend it. and now that rocks have been nerfed, you switch to using throwing daggers with enough agi that you're able to run away from anyone who can actually beat you in melee, which is literally everyone else. you are utter fucking garbage, anything you say carries no weight. maybe now that your stupid broken class is no longer as viable you can actually learn to fucking block.
Title: Re: Stones
Post by: Asheram on January 23, 2018, 07:12:40 am
funny that one of the people who exploited rocks being overpowered to pad their kd is trying to defend it. and now that rocks have been nerfed, you switch to using throwing daggers with enough agi that you're able to run away from anyone who can actually beat you in melee, which is literally everyone else. you are utter fucking garbage, anything you say carries no weight. maybe now that your stupid broken class is no longer as viable you can actually learn to fucking block.
lol what pad my kd? Are you serious or high? I played rock thrower because I found it fun, not that I got some sort of kd which I dont have nor ever had. I switched to daggers before rocks were nerfed. I am really sry that I killed you  at times in the past probably most likely due to luck and you just couldnt/cant handle it because you are on some epeen trip. I could not care less that you can beat me at video games.

Oh and I have less agility now with my daggers than I had when I used rocks. When I used rocks I had 33 agility 11 ath and 4 pt, now I use daggers with 30 agility 10 ath and still 4 pt so I didnt switch to daggers because i could get more agility.

Also my stupid broken class gets valor so I dont really see it as broken regardless of what happens to rocks.
Title: Re: Stones
Post by: Westwood on January 23, 2018, 07:15:24 am
Can I first get an answer what mentally challanged dipshit nerfed stones so I can report him and secondly why in the first place are they nerfed !?!?

It's not like half the server is using stones, more like half of them are archers/xbows and you nerf stones !? This is some deep ascended level of retardation
Palestinians get out. What purpose do rocks serve other than facilitating transvestites who explicitly want to reduce server population? Remove rocks entirely tbh. Europe and "Europe" can both burn in Holy fire.

dude im pretty sure im the only person that ever talks about curry because i fucking love curry so much i'd slay a critter twice my size for some vindaloo right now
lmao same
Title: Re: Stones
Post by: zottlmarsch on January 23, 2018, 10:16:57 am
One of the main reasons I enjoy C-RPG is because of all the stupid and whacky builds that you can make, I enjoy playing 3/41 (using old builds as an example as I don't know new builds off by heart yet) agi daggerers, I enjoy playing pure STR pure fisticuff tanks, I enjoyed playing an agi based rock thrower

Pfff, trying different builds? That's not fun man, let me tell you what fun is......playing the same 2 hand build with exact same gear for 7 years, this is how you are "meant" to play the game. Don't forget you need to cry about every other class too for maximum pleasure.
Title: Re: Stones
Post by: Tristan_of_Erzoth on January 23, 2018, 10:26:02 am
Does anyone know exactly what the numbers are?

Old Stones values vs new.

I've skimmed through a lot of Stones QQ and it's amazing that I havent come across a post that actually talks about the numbers? What kinda nerf we talking?

old stones were 15b, current is 8 blunt. But there's large stones now that do 14 blunt so there is no reason to complain anymore
Title: Re: Stones
Post by: Protemus on January 23, 2018, 10:46:05 am
Still not fair, now my max ammo is 32, I want 48 stones how can I spam scrublords with only 32 stones ?
Title: Re: Stones
Post by: Tristan_of_Erzoth on January 23, 2018, 10:57:24 am
Well... whatever reason there was to complain before about stones doing too much damage with certain builds, the thing that prompted the nerf in the first place, is still very much a thing right? Since the net result is that there is a new weaker version of stones, but the old stones still exist.

I don't know why he added in the new ones, only that he did. The new ones have less ammo and weigh more and have 1 less damage so... There's that?
Title: Re: Stones
Post by: Ikarus on January 23, 2018, 11:45:57 am
I'm getting the feeling that people aren't mad because stones got nerfed
but because why archery wasn't nerfed (and xbow further nerfed) instead
Title: Re: Stones
Post by: Nightingale on January 23, 2018, 01:27:59 pm
Arb did receive an accuracy debuff again but it's my opinion this nerf is a bit too hard. (I already tried 92 acc and decided it just wasn't enough and upped it to 93.)
Title: Re: Stones
Post by: Corsair831 on January 23, 2018, 01:33:24 pm
Actually stones are excellent anti archer weapon. Buff them to 20 blunt and witness how both archers and their armored twohanded brethren squeal like little pigs.

There was a time, long ago, when both archers and plated bundle of stickss were OP. So developers/balancers decided to buff throwers to the point where throwing was only viable  profession for about a month. You could be the worst thrower possible and still kill anyone who wasn't a thrower with such easy. It was fun being a thrower back then.

Alas, now, throwing is basically worthless
Title: Re: Stones
Post by: Leshma on January 23, 2018, 05:40:06 pm
Pfff, trying different builds? That's not fun man, let me tell you what fun is......playing the same 2 hand build with exact same gear for 7 years, this is how you are "meant" to play the game. Don't forget you need to cry about every other class too for maximum pleasure.

Vaegir Mask
Kuyak
Plate gloves
DGS
Plate greaves

visitors can't see pics , please register or login


Quote
Wait did throwing get nerfed because of how it performs in comparison to archery? :thinking:

OP stones are equally hated by both archers and full plate monsters. Hated by archers because they have an ability to stun lock archers so stats other than damage  were nerfed, and plated because stones do blunt damage which hurts full plate monsters a lot so stone damage was nerfed.

Considering the fact and archers and twohanded freaks are historically strongest cRPG lobbyists, no wonder throwing, particularly stones was hit with strongest nerf hammers. And as you can see in this thread, those who cry the most about stones are indeed archers and two-ha heroes.
Title: Re: Stones
Post by: belda on January 23, 2018, 06:21:50 pm
I've put it in the other thread. If you fail throwing a stone, it disappears, you can not pick it up, what you can do is take arrows from the ground being an archer or crossbowman, or any other thrower class.

As they weigh too much you need a lot of agility. That makes you have little strength, no strength, you can not put on a suit of armor. Archers kill you with an arrow. Currently with my build I would do more damage with a hunting crossbow, forgetting the stones forever.

Prof I want a exchange, You stay with the stones and you give me 3 loom points. Character: Astorga
Title: Re: Stones
Post by: Bronto on January 23, 2018, 06:44:06 pm
Just so we're clear on this, they're fucking stones. You all are complaining about stones. Literally the cheapest most pathetic throwing weapon in the mod that somehow, prior to this patch with your shitlord stone throwing no-talent asshole delaying builds, did major damage to everyone. Now they do damage to only the lowliest peasant, as they should, because they're fucking stones. STONES.

Also someone compared the most expensive bow with bodkin arrows in game to daggers, one of the cheapest throwing weapons. For real???? FOR REAL??? That's like complaining about your naked body not giving you as much protection as plate armor.

You guys are worse than archers or two handed hero's at this point.
Title: Re: Stones
Post by: Asheram on January 23, 2018, 06:54:56 pm
I have never delayed with my build, and I also don't hide in dark corners or on hard to access high spots pew pewing or hide behind hard to kill plate armor.

Might as well be playing native then if people are going to get upset over others not using some standardized build.
Title: Re: Stones
Post by: Morris on January 23, 2018, 08:19:46 pm
lol what pad my kd? Are you serious or high? I played rock thrower because I found it fun, not that I got some sort of kd which I dont have nor ever had. I switched to daggers before rocks were nerfed. I am really sry that I killed you  at times in the past probably most likely due to luck and you just couldnt/cant handle it because you are on some epeen trip. I could not care less that you can beat me at video games.

Oh and I have less agility now with my daggers than I had when I used rocks. When I used rocks I had 33 agility 11 ath and 4 pt, now I use daggers with 30 agility 10 ath and still 4 pt so I didnt switch to daggers because i could get more agility.

Also my stupid broken class gets valor so I dont really see it as broken regardless of what happens to rocks.

LMAO
you think it's LUCK that a weapon that costs 2 gold, has 0 power throw requirement, is literally a fucking ROCK, has 12 ammo per stack, and takes 0 slots, is able to actually deal considerable damage to someone wearing full plate armor that costs like 50k gold? give me a fucking break bro. not only that, but you ONLY HAD 4 POWER THROW. you had 11 FUCKING ATHLETICS, which is enough to outrun pretty much everything except for pure agility builds, which are a fucking joke. i honestly don't know why you're bothering trying to defend this ridiculous bullshit. it makes 0 fucking sense, and the nerf was more than deserved.
Title: Re: Stones
Post by: Asheram on January 23, 2018, 08:36:19 pm
Ok I was able to figure out how to get my gkmod working again as the last warband patch reset it back to vanilla. So rocks there weigh 4lbs a bag so the increase of weight here to 3.6 from 2.5 is on par with them but the ammo count is 18 and dmg is 11 blunt with a speed rating of 97(same as here) but theres no missile speed which I guess native doesnt use because none of the arrows there have missile speed either just the speed rating on the bow.

Oh and Morris why bother playing crpg if you just want to face standardized builds? Wouldnt it make more sense to play native which is just standardized builds? Also screw you, you were an asshole to me long before I ever played a running agility thrower, so blow it out your ass.
Title: Re: Stones
Post by: Osiris on January 23, 2018, 08:45:12 pm
as a high str high pt stone thrower from eu plz just banish these NA scum! i cant run away so erm leave me be!
Title: Re: Stones
Post by: Morris on January 23, 2018, 10:24:39 pm
Oh and Morris why bother playing crpg if you just want to face standardized builds? Wouldnt it make more sense to play native which is just standardized builds? Also screw you, you were an asshole to me long before I ever played a running agility thrower, so blow it out your ass.

are you saying that you should be able to spend 2 gold to be able to easily kill a fully-plated player with a strength build while you dance around him with 11 athletics? just for the sake of having a "unique & fun build?" are you ACTUALLY serious? are you thinking this out or are you just trying to defend it because YOU play it? also, how does me being an asshole to you before negate EVERYTHING i've said about stones being overpowered as fuck and the nerf to them being a good thing? where the fuck is your brain at bro? just because someone's mean to you doesn't make what they're saying wrong. literally LMAOing at your pathetic attempt to defend yourself.
Title: Re: Stones
Post by: Asheram on January 23, 2018, 10:37:05 pm
visitors can't see pics , please register or login
Title: Re: Stones
Post by: Morris on January 23, 2018, 10:38:35 pm
(click to show/hide)

great fucking comeback bro
how about you just admit you were wrong instead of being a fucking baby & just ignoring me?
Title: Re: Stones
Post by: pogosan on January 23, 2018, 10:55:29 pm
Title: Re: Stones
Post by: zottlmarsch on January 23, 2018, 11:28:37 pm
are you saying that you should be able to spend 2 gold to be able to easily kill a fully-plated player with a strength build while you dance around him with 11 athletics? just for the sake of having a "unique & fun build?" are you ACTUALLY serious? are you thinking this out or are you just trying to defend it because YOU play it? also, how does me being an asshole to you before negate EVERYTHING i've said about stones being overpowered as fuck and the nerf to them being a good thing? where the fuck is your brain at bro? just because someone's mean to you doesn't make what they're saying wrong. literally LMAOing at your pathetic attempt to defend yourself.


Nerd
Title: Re: Stones
Post by: Leshma on January 24, 2018, 12:38:33 am
Isn't gold like meaningless in this mod since 2012? They put so many damn gold sinks because of gold inflation. Why does it matter how much item cost? If it bothers you that much name them Supreme stones and sell them for 10k a stack, just buff the goddamn stats.

Also don't cry about stats of items like shurikens and throwing knives. Those items are like that for a reason that predates time. Thanks to Thomek and his bundle of sticksry, balancers had to gimp those gay ass items in order to stop them becoming too popular because every nerd ass wants to play as goddamn ninja.

Throwing hammers are neat but they are slow large, can be noticed easily. Thing about stones, archers can't notice them easily so you can sneak in and stun lock lil bastards. Pisses them off to no end, more than being killed by two-ha hero or their heads being picked by a lancer.

There was always serious discrimination towards throwing as play style in cRPG. Probably because it reminds players of close combat FPS style combat like playing with shotguns or SMGs. While pesky snipers such as xbowmy old friends or archers always get the pass, throwers always had to deal with numerous nerfs that hit them because no one in this forsaken community has sympathy for throwing.
Title: Re: Stones
Post by: Morris on January 24, 2018, 01:22:34 am
Thing about stones, archers can't notice them easily so you can sneak in and stun lock lil bastards. Pisses them off to no end, more than being killed by two-ha hero or their heads being picked by a lancer.

being able to stun lock archers is one thing, being able to stun lock full plate is another. and not only stunlock them, but actually deal enough damage to the point that stones were actually a threat to characters wearing 50+ body armor. stone throwers were fucking cancer, and only stone throwers will tell you otherwise.
Title: Re: Stones
Post by: Yeldur on January 24, 2018, 01:41:31 am
I find it highly amusing. Especially because of how bad I am at this game.

Exactly this. Rock throwers used to be able to have all the effective damage of an archer (given the ranges involved in both and the relative easiness of tracking closer targets resulting in more hits on target for rock throwers compared to archers) without the movement debuff or really any negative downside beyond the investment in power throw (which all other throwers will have anyhow).

Not sure when you are talking about but I can assure you, if they did as much damage as archers before this nerf, I would be the one calling for the fucking nerf. Stones didn't do a lot of damage before the nerf and now they simply don't do damage at all. 12 blunt on +3 stones is pathetic. Again, perhaps stones DID need a nerf, but they did NOT need to be destroyed. If you're going to make a weapon completely useless, remove it from the game. So do the right thing, and either fix stones or simply get rid of them, because having them in the game means they should be usable.

dw though guys, i respecced to a kuyak hero 2h merc spammer and was playing NA earlier sitting at the top of the scoreboard, generic boring builds is clearly what we're going for so might as well join the crowd with boring ass easy peasy builds amirite?
Title: Re: Stones
Post by: Leshma on January 24, 2018, 09:56:24 pm
I didn't even notice he was putting 50 body armor and plate armor in the same sentence. Plate armor is above 70 body armor. You can get 50 with medium armor and steel gloves. But the thing with blunt damage is, the more armor you have the more it hurts in comparison with other types of damage.
Title: Re: Stones
Post by: Butan on January 25, 2018, 12:23:02 am
I'm not feeling strongly against/for stones, so I dont mind too much if "throne throwing" is basically gone from this non-neolithic based game as a serious weapon.
Title: Re: Stones
Post by: Leshma on January 25, 2018, 12:40:27 am
You probably like item name change as well. Thankfully Turks know better and decided to keep made up faction names for their upcoming game.

Still remember when Jacko became bigshot at Donkey Crew, saying how OKAM should be firmly set in 13th century and be based on European history. No wonder it went belly up.
Title: Re: Stones
Post by: fetus on January 25, 2018, 10:28:03 am
I know its hard to make people happy but this is pure bullshit whats wrong with you people? Throwing is worse than ranged and fucking stone throwers was the main reason that pushed people to play dtv all the time and yet they insult the admin all the same its a fucking troll weapon and you all know this. If you guys want to play with stones im happy to see ur ass get raped by horse archers too  :mrgreen:
Title: Re: Stones
Post by: Morris on January 25, 2018, 07:17:07 pm
Plate armor is above 70 body armor.
i meant 50+ body armor as in just the chest piece
also, anything above 70 total body armor is only attainable to garbage cookie cutters who have +3 armor because they blow so much dick they have to crutch on looms. 70 is the max you can get with no looms, so having above 70 body armor is only possible if you're so awful at this game that you need to loom your armor so you don't die as fast. i cant wait until looms get wiped so i can take my rightful place as the god of this game, and everyone else will be insects compared to me.
Title: Re: Stones
Post by: Osiris on January 31, 2018, 07:09:29 pm
its been a week and the drama has died down, now can i have my stones back plz  :twisted:
Title: Re: Stones
Post by: POOPHAMMER on January 31, 2018, 07:25:51 pm
being able to stun lock archers is one thing, being able to stun lock full plate is another. and not only stunlock them, but actually deal enough damage to the point that stones were actually a threat to characters wearing 50+ body armor. stone throwers were fucking cancer, and only stone throwers will tell you otherwise.

i hope u step on a lego
Title: Re: Stones
Post by: Bronto on January 31, 2018, 07:29:49 pm
Just so we're clear on this, they're fucking stones. You all are complaining about stones. Literally the cheapest most pathetic throwing weapon in the mod that somehow, prior to this patch with your shitlord stone throwing no-talent asshole delaying builds, did major damage to everyone. Now they do damage to only the lowliest peasant, as they should, because they're fucking stones. STONES.
Title: Re: Stones
Post by: darmaster on January 31, 2018, 07:42:57 pm
i meant 50+ body armor as in just the chest piece
also, anything above 70 total body armor is only attainable to garbage cookie cutters who have +3 armor because they blow so much dick they have to crutch on looms. 70 is the max you can get with no looms, so having above 70 body armor is only possible if you're so awful at this game that you need to loom your armor so you don't die as fast. i cant wait until looms get wiped so i can take my rightful place as the god of this game, and everyone else will be insects compared to me.

it's +4
Title: Re: Stones
Post by: Bittersteel on January 31, 2018, 07:54:53 pm
it's +4

owned
Title: Re: Stones
Post by: Morris on January 31, 2018, 07:56:52 pm
it's +4

not possible, nice lie cookie cutter. too bad my mind is too sharp for anything to slip past. better luck next time retard
Title: Re: Stones
Post by: //saxon on January 31, 2018, 08:15:11 pm
Pretty much the only people still working on this mod are located in NA.  Put that in your pipe and smoke it.

visitors can't see pics , please register or login
Title: Re: Stones
Post by: Rando on February 01, 2018, 08:19:18 am
not possible, nice lie cookie cutter. too bad my mind is too sharp for anything to slip past. better luck next time retard

it's true, at least bicep aint a cookie cutter. plate archer build doesn't exist outside of CN except for him.