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cRPG => General Discussion => Topic started by: Zarthon on May 31, 2011, 06:07:08 pm
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i was never very good at 2h blocking so chose a shield and 1 hander. Some people are so quick at blocking,is there a way about it?
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Yeah, it's called "lots of practising"
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The more you practice the better you get at it. Going to duel servers helps alot, and over time you won't need to jerk your mouse very far to block swings and things will get smoother.
Getting familiar with the enemy's weapons and capabilities helps a bunch too.
For example: knowing the awlpike can only thrust and overhead makes manual blocking much simpler, whereas a steel pick has 3 attacks (can't thrust) and a greatsword has all 4 options.
When you become more familiar with the game the enemy's positioning also can give you a good guess as to what swing they'll use. Thrust generally has long range but bounces when up close, so people might thrust during the start of a battle but likely won't risk it as much if you are both face hugging.
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i was never very good at 2h blocking so chose a shield and 1 hander. Some people are so quick at blocking,is there a way about it?
ITS ALL HAXX.
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its funny after a while of playing it just kind of becomes automatic/unconcious, now I sometimes block directions without even knowing what direction it is.
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The more you practice the better you get at it. Going to duel servers helps alot, and over time you won't need to jerk your mouse very far to block swings and things will get smoother.
Getting familiar with the enemy's weapons and capabilities helps a bunch too.
For example: knowing the awlpike can only thrust and overhead makes manual blocking much simpler, whereas a steel pick has 3 attacks (can't thrust) and a greatsword has all 4 options.
When you become more familiar with the game the enemy's positioning also can give you a good guess as to what swing they'll use. Thrust generally has long range but bounces when up close, so people might thrust during the start of a battle but likely won't risk it as much if you are both face hugging.
Who you're facing will also matter, as different people have different combat styles.
Back when I used greatswords, I used to almost exclusively stab, even when up close. As you fight people, you'll find that specific people will favor certain combat styles.
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I am pretty sure some peoples are using some sort of autoblock hack.
Exemple: When someone get ganked by 6 players from the front he block all their attacks then i come from behind while the 6 other guys gank him and the so called person do a 180degree turn to block my attack in the back and goes back to his initial direction in a split seconde, that sound alot fishy to me.
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a lot of autoblockers have been banned.. I doubt there are many left :mrgreen:
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Yeah, it's called "lots of practising"
lots and lots and lots of practicing. Manual block is not very intuitive off the bat.
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What really helped me initially was playing an archer class (not xbowman) back in Native. Light armor, just a 1hand for melee defense. It was get better or get womped. I'm still outclassed by players more skilled than I, but those are exactly the players I love to fight most. Getting raped by HarmlessPeasant and IMmt all day everyday.
I don't really have anything else to offer that hasn't been said already: practice, practice, practice, and knowing your opponents style, as dexx touched on. Against bots, in the duel server, or just playing more defensively in siege/battle.
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It weird, lately when my shield breaks I can manual block all of a sudden. I never actually specifically practiced manual blocking. I think if you play enough you just get used to the animations.
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I am pretty sure some peoples are using some sort of autoblock hack.
Exemple: When someone get ganked by 6 players from the front he block all their attacks then i come from behind while the 6 other guys gank him and the so called person do a 180degree turn to block my attack in the back and goes back to his initial direction in a split seconde, that sound alot fishy to me.
Khorin/Bjord/Phyrex could probably perform something like this.
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i was never very good at 2h blocking so chose a shield and 1 hander. Some people are so quick at blocking,is there a way about it?
Tries to increase your mouse sensitivity in game, you must adjust to keep the speed but also the accuracy of your mouse.
0.5 to 0.6 is enough when your mouse is set correctly.
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Tries to increase your mouse sensitivity in game, you must adjust to keep the speed but also the accuracy of your mouse.
0.5 to 0.6 is enough when your mouse is set correctly.
Nononono, high mouse sensitivy means nothing when blocking, because you can already initiate a block even if you move your mouse just slighty.
I'd go the other way, REDUCE mouse sensitivity so your camera doesn't move around too much when you block.
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Nononono, high mouse sensitivy means nothing when blocking, because you can already initiate a block even if you move your mouse just slighty.
I'd go the other way, REDUCE mouse sensitivity so your camera doesn't move around too much when you block.
But if your reduce it too much, you can't turn your camera fast enough and people can run circles around you and hit you in the back.
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I tested and played with both options, i found that the best setup for me is increasing it slightly.
However you should test it yourself and find what suits you best
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Some good advices, and from the point of view of total noob considered blocking, i have to say i improved a lot when i reduced my sensitivity, now the correct direction is detected, most of the times anyways, and from battling for ages and meeting a lot of ppl 1v1 or so, i am even able to block something now.
i do not spend much time on duel server, as if i have time to play, i go earn XP/gold :-) but usually if you go there for like 30minutes before joining any other server, in like a week or so you should se improvements for yourself, without need of some hardcore training :) (which does help btw :D)
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Here's a pretty good method ; see which direction your opponent is switching, and block in that direction. So, for example, if it looks like their swing will hit you from the right, then you quickly swing your mouse to the right a small distance and right click simultaneously.
Crazy, isn't it?
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By mouse movement :P and high sensitivity!
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I am pretty sure some peoples are using some sort of autoblock hack.
Exemple: When someone get ganked by 6 players from the front he block all their attacks then i come from behind while the 6 other guys gank him and the so called person do a 180degree turn to block my attack in the back and goes back to his initial direction in a split seconde, that sound alot fishy to me.
so the hack you imagine autoturns the player as well? whats left to do manually then?
really, stop thinking of hackers, there were only a few, and they got banned. It doesn't help your game experience if you think of every good player as a possible cheater.
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I've said it before, but just in case you missed it:
Almost none of the players banned for the autoblock hack were notable players. They all really sucked as players, even with the autoblock hack.
There are no hacks for crpg that make you a good players. There is no substitute for battle awareness, good footwork, proper feinting, manual blocking and the tactical insight needed to do good in battles. Skill > hacks in crpg.
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I am pretty sure some peoples are using some sort of autoblock hack.
Exemple: When someone get ganked by 6 players from the front he block all their attacks then i come from behind while the 6 other guys gank him and the so called person do a 180degree turn to block my attack in the back and goes back to his initial direction in a split seconde, that sound alot fishy to me.
Exact this have happened to me a few times. Impossible block to do. And it happening more then 3 times? Blasphemy!!
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I love turning and killing a guy who thinks he is about to backstab me.
They leave themselves wide open because they think we have not noticed.
An easy kill.
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Nononono, high mouse sensitivy means nothing when blocking, because you can already initiate a block even if you move your mouse just slighty.
I'd go the other way, REDUCE mouse sensitivity so your camera doesn't move around too much when you block.
For me, blocking is not limited to block attacks from the front but also incoming from the sides.
If you duel against someone with a light/med armor and high athletics skill (over 6) you can't block very long with a slow/normal mouse sensitivity. And it's worse with a shield.
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~ key is a great ally, Vieux. Even I, in a moment of idiot panic, was able to block the different directional attacks of 3 would be attackers one immediately after another. And that's without hardly a modicum of concentration. Imagine what a more skilled, aware player could do.
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~ key is a great ally, Vieux. Even I, in a moment of idiot panic, was able to block the different directional attacks of 3 would be attackers one immediately after another. And that's without hardly a modicum of concentration. Imagine what a more skilled, aware player could do.
Aye using ~ (Free Look) is key for not getting ganked. You should key-bind this to something easier to use in the heat of battle (I use one of the buttons on the side of my mouse works great).
As far as blocking is concerned... If someone is about to attack you block before you swing, and once you have swung be immediately ready to block again Block, Swing, Block, Swing, Block, etc... Once you get this down you will start to understand the mechanics, and soon will be able to decipher you next move in battle easily.
Also although difficult to get used to I prefer using a very high mouse sensitivity. This allows me to turn around quickly in the middle of a fight.
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My biggest enemy with blocking is my concentration. I tend to fight at 70% of what I can do so I occasionally miss blocks just because I'm too lazy...
About mouse sensitivity, my advice would be practicing with a level of sensitivity then progressively decreasing it. You will need less and less movement to block as you improve and what you want is nearly not turning when you block. This is especially true with the upward block. If you pitch the camera too much when you block upwards, you will see your back and be easily feinted.
And if you don't have a mouse that can change it's sensitivity, it's better when you switch between a ranged and a melee weapon (you need as less sensitivity as possible with a ranged weapon).
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My biggest enemy with blocking is my concentration. I tend to fight at 70% of what I can do so I occasionally miss blocks just because I'm too lazy...
I agree this is my biggest issue as well
About mouse sensitivity, my advice would be practicing with a level of sensitivity then progressively decreasing it. You will need less and less movement to block as you improve and what you want is nearly not turning when you block. This is especially true with the upward block. If you pitch the camera too much when you block upwards, you will see your back and be easily feinted.
I disagree if you turn into you swings you will Harder, Faster, and further... Yes you may turn to far and miss a block because of it, but if you get used to it this will happen less and less.
And if you don't have a mouse that can change it's sensitivity, it's better when you switch between a ranged and a melee weapon (you need as less sensitivity as possible with a ranged weapon).
You can adjust your mouse sensitivity via in-game options or Control Panel > Mouse > Speed. You can adjust the sensitivity on every mouse even the cheap ones. I don't know what he is talking about.
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Hold your hands and pray.
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spend time on duel servers.
duel anybody, but try to block first, then after some time you feel you can block decently try countering.
after a while youll develop your own feints, youll see what works what doesnt.
just takes time, determination and practice, no special forumla.
have fun
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Alternatively, give me $50 and I will come to your house and play for you.
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Alternatively, give me $50 and I will come to your house and play for you.
HEY, I had to pay 60!!
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Chamber block them with your fists.
problem solved.
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Please disable the blocks for the sickle !!! The mod lacks a macho weapon for chamber blocking maniacs :o
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Please disable the blocks for the sickle !!! The mod lacks a macho weapon for chamber blocking maniacs :o
Whats wrong with daggers?
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Whats wrong with daggers?
They aren't as macho. Besides, they have this stinky reputation of being used by traitors :lol:.
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They aren't as macho. Besides, they have this stinky reputation of being used by traitors :lol:.
What about chambering with gloves? That ought to be macho enough.
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What about chambering with gloves? That ought to be macho enough.
Hmm... yes I think so :lol:
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But if your reduce it too much, you can't turn your camera fast enough and people can run circles around you and hit you in the back.
this.
i gone for more and more sensitivity over the time. just enough to do a full 360° moving the mouse from the center to the edge of the mouse pad.
this way you can:
- turn 180° and land a hit in half a second.
- pull lateral swings to hit faster and harder.
- lolstab faster.
- kite, hit and kite again maulers.
- as a shielder you can keep facing the enemy without several mouse passes.
the cons are:
- archery or ranged with too much sensitivity is a pain.
- with a crap 4 mouse the feel is bad.
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spend time on duel servers.
duel anybody, but try to block first, then after some time you feel you can block decently try countering.
after a while youll develop your own feints, youll see what works what doesnt.
just takes time, determination and practice, no special forumla.
have fun
beware... if you sit too much on blocking, your opponent will just keep the pressure on you.
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That's the problem I have. It's like a can of Pringles: once you block, you can't stop.