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Title: 0.5.0.0: Patch of Undestiny
Post by: RD_Professor on November 11, 2017, 01:27:58 am
It's been a bit of a bumpy road, but as of now the bugs that plagued cRPG over the summer have all been fixed. The purpose of this patch is to create a fresh start for the mod, or at least to clean up the bloated, rotting corpse of this mod, and reanimate it once more. So, we've reverted back to the pre-Patch of Destiny leveling system, with some tweaks, which should 'normalize' the balance of the game somewhat. For now, the balance changes that have been enacted since PoD will remain, but will be reviewed in time to determine if they are still relevant. Here's the actual patch notes:

Patch notes
Dupre/Professor: Strat has been fixed, battles are no longer frozen, and backlog of battles deleted. Additionally, fiefs now receive production points again, and since that has been broken for some time, the production points of each fief has been increased by 365.
Dupre/Professor: Couching bug on servers running WSE2 has been fixed.
Professor: Nerfed first 5 or so waves of DTV, runs should not generally wipe on one of those waves when there are 15 more to go through.
Professor: Added new DTV wave. (self-indulgent, I know)
Professor: Old maps added back to DTV map rotation, some of the newer ones removed.
Professor/Rico/Weren: New items added into game
Professor: Camel + Plated Donkey buff, slight nerf to bec, slight buff to 2d poke weapons.
Professor: Item difficulties lowered to reflect level revert.
Professor: Levels reverted back to pre- PoD.
Professor: All item pictures added to shop (will be done soon)
Dupre: Gave me support to actually get this shit done. Huge shout out to Dupre, without him I couldn't have done most of this.

I might be missing some things, will add them if I think of them.
Of course, fixes to the bugs produced by reverting levels will be fixed as soon as possible.

New XP System
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Additionally, the titles gained by playing the game are now obtained at different levels
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Unfortunately, the patcher did not do a good job of recording the changes to item stats. That is, one patch only has the old stats, and the next patch only has the new stats. I'll look into getting this into a more readable form relatively soon here.
Title: Re: 0.5.0.0: Patch of Undestiny
Post by: RD_Professor on November 11, 2017, 01:28:04 am
New Items
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Title: Re: 0.5.0.0: Patch of Undestiny
Post by: Asheram on November 11, 2017, 02:23:09 am
I remember now everything before the patch of destiny hated hybrid builds. If you enjoy pure builds I am sure you will have fun.
Title: Re: 0.5.0.0: Patch of Undestiny
Post by: saccizord on November 11, 2017, 02:24:31 am
good modders
Title: Re: 0.5.0.0: Patch of Undestiny
Post by: RD_Professor on November 11, 2017, 03:34:30 am
Quote from: Asheram on November 11, 2017, 02:23:09 am
I remember now everything before the patch of destiny hated hybrid builds. If you enjoy pure builds I am sure you will have fun.
I'm going to try to think of ways to encourage hybrid builds with this leveling system, stay tuned.
Title: Re: 0.5.0.0: Patch of Undestiny
Post by: the real god emperor on November 11, 2017, 08:10:41 am
thanks guys
Title: Re: 0.5.0.0: Patch of Undestiny
Post by: Tristan_of_Erzoth on November 11, 2017, 08:52:08 am
Quote from: RD_Professor on November 11, 2017, 03:34:30 am
I'm going to try to think of ways to encourage hybrid builds with this leveling system, stay tuned.

Diminishing returns on skill points? Like the 1st point in IF gives you 12% more hp, but say the 10th point only gives you 2% more hp. First point in athletics gives like an 8% boost, 10th only 1%. Would make spreading it around more worthwhile since it doesn't take as long to get to a point where things are worthwhile.
Title: Re: 0.5.0.0: Patch of Undestiny
Post by: RD_Professor on November 11, 2017, 10:12:16 am
Quote from: Tristan_of_Erzoth on November 11, 2017, 08:52:08 am
Diminishing returns on skill points? Like the 1st point in IF gives you 12% more hp, but say the 10th point only gives you 2% more hp. First point in athletics gives like an 8% boost, 10th only 1%. Would make spreading it around more worthwhile since it doesn't take as long to get to a point where things are worthwhile.
That occurred to me, but it's going to be some time before I figure out how to actually do that. All that stuff is probably hardwired to some degree into the engine, so it might be difficult to mess with.
Title: Re: 0.5.0.0: Patch of Undestiny
Post by: the real god emperor on November 11, 2017, 10:15:24 am
Should we expect a reset on Strat?
Title: Re: 0.5.0.0: Patch of Undestiny
Post by: RD_Professor on November 11, 2017, 10:19:57 am
Quote from: Kratos on November 11, 2017, 10:15:24 am
Should we expect a reset on Strat?
Reset on strat won't come for at least a couple weeks. Considering that we've got players with big shiny armies, we might as well have some big battles with em.

Also, I'll need some time to look into making strat less of a grind, so that we can have big battles more frequently in the future. But resetting strat should be a cinch when we actually do it, since there's a script for it.
Title: Re: 0.5.0.0: Patch of Undestiny
Post by: Casul on November 11, 2017, 10:24:39 am
[10:22:10] Downloading version info
[10:22:12] Updating (v5.0.0.8)
[10:22:12] Downloading mirror list
[10:22:12] Downloading file list
[10:22:12] Using mirror download1.c-rpg.net
[10:22:12] Downloading mirror version info
[10:22:12] Der Remoteserver hat einen Fehler zurückgegeben: (404) Nicht gefunden.
(translation: remote server restored an error: 404 not found)
[10:22:12]
[10:22:12] System.Net.WebException
[10:22:12] bei System.Net.HttpWebRequest.EndGetResponse(IAsyncResult asyncResult)
[10:22:12] bei System.Net.WebClient.GetWebResponse(WebRequest request, IAsyncResult result)
[10:22:12] bei System.Net.WebClient.DownloadBitsResponseCallback(IAsyncResult result)
[10:22:12] Update failed


What did I do wrong? I also tried to dl the newest newest launcher from c-rpg.net again
Title: Re: 0.5.0.0: Patch of Undestiny
Post by: the real god emperor on November 11, 2017, 10:26:34 am
I got the error as well. If I try to update without WSE2 will it work? it doesnt
Title: Re: 0.5.0.0: Patch of Undestiny
Post by: RD_Professor on November 11, 2017, 10:44:36 am
Quote from: Cassi on November 11, 2017, 10:24:39 am
What did I do wrong? I also tried to dl the newest newest launcher from c-rpg.net again

Quote from: Kratos on November 11, 2017, 10:26:34 am
I got the error as well. If I try to update without WSE2 will it work? it doesnt
This happens when I'm either patching in something, or finalizing a patch, so fairly frequently. The last hotfix should be out in 15 minutes or so.

Title: Re: 0.5.0.0: Patch of Undestiny
Post by: njames89 on November 11, 2017, 12:23:21 pm
Nice work Prof. Will be on later today to update the moddb and steam workshop pages. Gotta retire some alts to get a +3 falx now...
Title: Re: 0.5.0.0: Patch of Undestiny
Post by: Panos_ on November 11, 2017, 05:23:25 pm
getting this error visitors can't see pics , please register or login

Title: Re: 0.5.0.0: Patch of Undestiny
Post by: Asheram on November 11, 2017, 06:25:10 pm
I am lvl 33 why is my title still only master?

Asheram lvl 33 title is master

Skillless lvl 32 title is veteran

Gunanrun lvl 31 no title

Title: Re: 0.5.0.0: Patch of Undestiny
Post by: njames89 on November 11, 2017, 07:03:57 pm
You have to retire to get the title
Title: Re: 0.5.0.0: Patch of Undestiny
Post by: Asheram on November 11, 2017, 07:09:22 pm
Quote from: njames89 on November 11, 2017, 07:03:57 pm
You have to retire to get the title
Is this title change totally new? Because I retired like 3 times at lvl 33 before the patch of destiny.

Also I dont understand what is going on with experience now. I was halfway to level 38, 318 million into lvl 37 with 310,140,501 more needed for lvl 38 now I need 729,424,816 to get to lvl 34 not even close to halfway wth.

Title: Re: 0.5.0.0: Patch of Undestiny
Post by: Torben on November 11, 2017, 07:27:19 pm
Quote from: Asheram on November 11, 2017, 07:09:22 pm
Is this title change totally new? Because I retired like 3 times at lvl 33 before the patch of destiny.

Also I dont understand what is going on with experience now. I was halfway to level 38, 318 million into lvl 37 with 310,140,501 more needed for lvl 38 now I need 729,424,816 to get to lvl 34 not even close to halfway wth.

high levels get a stronger softcap
Title: Re: 0.5.0.0: Patch of Undestiny
Post by: Asheram on November 11, 2017, 07:32:51 pm
Quote from: Torben on November 11, 2017, 07:27:19 pm
high levels get a stronger softcap
http://forum.melee.org/general-discussion/never-going-to-respec-again/30/
This is Tristans as I dont have a pic of mine and its too late now to get one.
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only needed 657,830,195 xp to get lvl 38 but now need 1,048,301,160 to get lvl 34.
I was happy that I only needed 310,140,501 for next level, theres no way in hell I am grinding out 729,424,816 more than double that now.
Title: Re: 0.5.0.0: Patch of Undestiny
Post by: Sauce on November 11, 2017, 09:38:36 pm
I went from 35 to 37 after the patch of destiny now I'm back down to 33? You fucked up.
Title: Re: 0.5.0.0: Patch of Undestiny
Post by: RD_Professor on November 11, 2017, 11:31:12 pm
Quote from: Sauce on November 11, 2017, 09:38:36 pm
I went from 35 to 37 after the patch of destiny now I'm back down to 33? You fucked up.
The post-31 levels were changed from old system.
Check out the spoiler for new XP system for the details.
http://forum.melee.org/announcements/0-5-0-0-patch-of-undestiny/ (http://forum.melee.org/announcements/0-5-0-0-patch-of-undestiny/)
Title: Re: 0.5.0.0: Patch of Undestiny
Post by: RD_Professor on November 11, 2017, 11:50:33 pm
As for titles, think about it like this. The level of your character will change, but the title that can be attained by retiring at that level will not, or it will increase. That is, people who were level 36 could retire and get the title Master. Now, they are either level 32 or level 33, and can retire to get Master, or Grandmaster, respectively. This way, someone who was, like you, close to getting the next title would not be robbed of their progress, and would instead be as close or closer to receiving the title.
Title: Re: 0.5.0.0: Patch of Undestiny
Post by: Asheram on November 11, 2017, 11:55:06 pm
Quote from: RD_Professor on November 11, 2017, 11:50:33 pm
As for titles, think about it like this. The level of your character will change, but the title that can be attained by retiring at that level will not, or it will increase. That is, people who were level 36 could retire and get the title Master. Now, they are either level 32 or level 33, and can retire to get Master, or Grandmaster, respectively. This way, someone who was, like you, close to getting the next title would not be robbed of their progress, and would instead be as close or closer to receiving the title.
So the title for lvl 38 was Grandmaster? Then that means I can get the title I was working towards and needed 310 mill xp for? What about the amount of looms would I get the same amount of loompoints if I retired now as I would have at level 38?
Title: Re: 0.5.0.0: Patch of Undestiny
Post by: RD_Professor on November 12, 2017, 12:02:10 am
Quote from: Asheram on November 11, 2017, 11:55:06 pm
So the title for lvl 38 was Grandmaster? Then that means I can get the title I was working towards and needed 310 mill xp for? What about the amount of looms would I get the same amount of loompoints if I retired now as I would have at level 38?
Yes, if you were 310 xp from getting Grandmaster, you should be able to retire for it now. Assuming you are level 33, currently. Loompoints remain similar to old system, 31 gives 1, 32 gives 3, 33 gives 5 or so, and 34 gives (13??). Only titles were changed because that is something that requires a lot of grinding to get.
Title: Re: 0.5.0.0: Patch of Undestiny
Post by: Asheram on November 12, 2017, 12:11:03 am
Quote from: RD_Professor on November 12, 2017, 12:02:10 am
Yes, if you were 310 xp from getting Grandmaster, you should be able to retire for it now. Assuming you are level 33, currently. Loompoints remain similar to old system, 31 gives 1, 32 gives 3, 33 gives 5 or so, and 34 gives (13??). Only titles were changed because that is something that requires a lot of grinding to get.
Well at least this makes it a bit less painful as I was level lvl 37 halfway to 38 before and am now level 33 and less than 1/3 of the way to 34. At least I can get the title before putting crpg to rest.
Title: Re: 0.5.0.0: Patch of Undestiny
Post by: Zeus_ on November 12, 2017, 01:19:22 am
I want a couple free respecs, going down 4 levels is a bit drastic of a change and might take a while to settle with a decent build.
Title: Re: 0.5.0.0: Patch of Undestiny
Post by: RD_Professor on November 12, 2017, 01:50:03 am
Quote from: Zeus_ on November 12, 2017, 01:19:22 am
I want a couple free respecs, going down 4 levels is a bit drastic of a change and might take a while to settle with a decent build.
Sure thing, I'll be happy to hand out respecs for the next week or so until people get acclimated to the changes. This goes for anyone, feel free to message me on discord or the forums with the character you want a respec on.
Title: Re: 0.5.0.0: Patch of Undestiny
Post by: Casul on November 12, 2017, 04:33:48 pm
Quote from: Panos_ on November 11, 2017, 05:23:25 pm
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yea it says you need to pay back your depts to EU/germany first
Title: Re: 0.5.0.0: Patch of Undestiny
Post by: Torben on November 12, 2017, 05:14:42 pm
so how are player numbers?  did the patch help a little by now?
Title: Re: 0.5.0.0: Patch of Undestiny
Post by: Gnjus on November 12, 2017, 05:27:21 pm
Quote from: Torben on November 12, 2017, 05:14:42 pm
so how are player numbers?  did the patch help a little by now?

They went up from 0 to about 3-5 at prime time.
Title: Re: 0.5.0.0: Patch of Undestiny
Post by: Torben on November 12, 2017, 05:51:00 pm
Welp, expecting for now about 40 for the strat battle today
Title: Re: 0.5.0.0: Patch of Undestiny
Post by: Jona on November 12, 2017, 08:02:17 pm
New leveling system seems gay
Title: Re: 0.5.0.0: Patch of Undestiny
Post by: Casul on November 12, 2017, 08:29:18 pm
Quote from: Jona on November 12, 2017, 08:02:17 pm
gay

http://forum.melee.org/general-discussion/instagram-heyooo/
Title: Re: 0.5.0.0: Patch of Undestiny
Post by: Lord_Carlos on November 12, 2017, 08:58:38 pm
damn my launcer sucks
Title: Re: 0.5.0.0: Patch of Undestiny
Post by: MR_FISTA on November 13, 2017, 06:28:04 pm
grand total of 0 people online
Title: Re: 0.5.0.0: Patch of Undestiny
Post by: Ikarus on November 14, 2017, 01:44:04 pm
arabian heavy lance looks awesome

also, it IS sheatable  :lol:
Title: Re: 0.5.0.0: Patch of Undestiny
Post by: njames89 on November 14, 2017, 02:07:40 pm
Quote from: Ikarus on November 14, 2017, 01:44:04 pm
also, it IS sheatable  :lol:

 :shock:
Title: Re: 0.5.0.0: Patch of Undestiny
Post by: Oberyn on November 14, 2017, 06:01:56 pm
Quote from: Ikarus on November 14, 2017, 01:44:04 pm
arabian heavy lance looks awesome

also, it IS sheatable  :lol:

If that's the trident looking one it's mad old, was part my loadout when I stopped playing. It wasn't sheathable though.
Title: Re: 0.5.0.0: Patch of Undestiny
Post by: Torben on November 14, 2017, 07:23:16 pm
yo some items lack the note "not sheathable"
Title: Re: 0.5.0.0: Patch of Undestiny
Post by: njames89 on November 14, 2017, 11:38:03 pm
Updated the ModDB with the recent patch! Not visible on there yet has to be reviewed by admin but here is the post in image form!

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If you see any mistakes feel free to point them out and I'll update the page!

Title: Re: 0.5.0.0: Patch of Undestiny
Post by: Ikarus on November 15, 2017, 12:08:44 am
thinking of it, you could announce the strategus reset aswell

a new land, fresh for the taking
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combined with a partial reset of the characters this would make a tasty treat for newcomers

maybe make a thread in the taleworlds forum aswell?
Title: Re: 0.5.0.0: Patch of Undestiny
Post by: Konrax on November 18, 2017, 12:04:44 am
33-36-32 now =/

32 is a sucky level for shield builds, would rather be 33 again =D
Title: Re: 0.5.0.0: Patch of Undestiny
Post by: RD_Professor on November 18, 2017, 12:05:55 am
Quote from: Konrax on November 18, 2017, 12:04:44 am
33-36-32 now =/

32 is a sucky level for shield builds, would rather be 33 again =D
Currently looking into tweaks for the leveling system, stay tuned! Patch for that should be this weekend.
Title: Re: 0.5.0.0: Patch of Undestiny
Post by: Konrax on November 20, 2017, 09:36:45 pm
Quote from: RD_Professor on November 18, 2017, 12:05:55 am
Currently looking into tweaks for the leveling system, stay tuned! Patch for that should be this weekend.

<3
Title: Re: 0.5.0.0: Patch of Undestiny
Post by: RD_Professor on November 20, 2017, 11:06:40 pm
Quote from: RD_Professor on November 18, 2017, 12:05:55 am
Currently looking into tweaks for the leveling system, stay tuned! Patch for that should be this weekend.
By this weekend I meant by Wednesday. Going to spend Tuesday afternoon hammering out this patch.
Title: Re: 0.5.0.0: Patch of Undestiny
Post by: Torben on November 21, 2017, 12:31:07 am
Quote from: RD_Professor on November 20, 2017, 11:06:40 pm
By this weekend I meant by Wednesday. Going to spend Tuesday afternoon hammering out this patch.

december 2010

Title: Re: 0.5.0.0: Patch of Undestiny
Post by: Blackbow on November 22, 2017, 07:19:06 pm
sry but new xp system is shit !
you had no reason to change it ...
how to fuck all hybrid build just for 2h heroes ...

was guessing the goal was to revive the mod not to kill it and kill the fun in same way...
Title: Re: 0.5.0.0: Patch of Undestiny
Post by: Konrax on November 22, 2017, 09:28:23 pm
You guys need to add a Polearm and Two Handed skills to the game, something to put points in like shield for 1h players.

Hybrids should want to use 1h weapons for point efficiency.

What would this new skill do? Maybe make each point allow for an effective cap to wpf, make it equal to how much wpf you would have as a pure build, make it based on agi, and at least that way it could still be used by hybrids for a couple points, and won't really impact strength builds for pole or 2h much.

Just an idea, maybe it's shit
Title: Re: 0.5.0.0: Patch of Undestiny
Post by: Jona on November 22, 2017, 09:32:53 pm
Quote from: Konrax on November 22, 2017, 09:28:23 pm
You guys need to add a Polearm and Two Handed skills to the game, something to put points in like shield for 1h players.

The only problem is that this would ruin any hoplite build as they'd need to drop points in both shield and pole skills. Also, 1h without shield is a pretty decent build so if every other class requires more wasted points, they indirectly get a huge buff. Similar ideas have been bounced around before, I personally prefer just letting all shields be 0 req, but that introduces other issues as well. There isn't really an ideal solution.
Title: Re: 0.5.0.0: Patch of Undestiny
Post by: vipere on November 23, 2017, 09:04:30 pm
I won't play this game, but thank you all for reminding me I could still downvote Blackbow

I lost my sugar addiction just by downvoting him today, what a miracle this guy is !

Title: Re: 0.5.0.0: Patch of Undestiny
Post by: Konrax on December 08, 2017, 09:38:05 pm
Quote from: Jona on November 22, 2017, 09:32:53 pm
The only problem is that this would ruin any hoplite build as they'd need to drop points in both shield and pole skills. Also, 1h without shield is a pretty decent build so if every other class requires more wasted points, they indirectly get a huge buff. Similar ideas have been bounced around before, I personally prefer just letting all shields be 0 req, but that introduces other issues as well. There isn't really an ideal solution.

It could possibly work is pole used in 1h doesn't do a check on polearm skill, that way you can use polearms in 1h effectively (requiring a shield to do of course) without penalizing hopelite builds.

This way pure 1h is really the only build that doesn't require an additional skill, thus making it ideal for ranged characters.
Title: Re: 0.5.0.0: Patch of Undestiny
Post by: Jona on December 08, 2017, 10:00:03 pm
Quote from: Konrax on December 08, 2017, 09:38:05 pm
It could possibly work is pole used in 1h doesn't do a check on polearm skill, that way you can use polearms in 1h effectively (requiring a shield to do of course) without penalizing hopelite builds.

This way pure 1h is really the only build that doesn't require an additional skill, thus making it ideal for ranged characters.

Yeah, but then if a hoplite's shield breaks or is sheathed/dropped, the polearm user has no pole wpf with which to use their weapon, leaving them in a pretty poor scenario whereas a 1hand shielder who loses their shield will be just fine. Also, while it'd be nice to encourage ranged builds to use 1handers, a change like this will still just make swashbuckler builds pretty strong overall, and tbh even with the current system they aren't all that disadvantaged compared to pure pole or 2hand builds.