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cRPG => Beginner's Help and Guides => Topic started by: AllTimeFail on June 16, 2017, 04:37:07 am
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I decided to break from years of tradition and write an actually serious guide. If we end up getting some new people, they might benefit from something other than 4 year old shit-posting and info that's outdated by six years.
I am Caramel Macchiato, and over the years I developed an effective anti-cav build. Then I forgot that build, and realized I was over-complicating things. -Anyone- can be an effective anti-cav if the team balance demands it, as long as they put in a little practice. No change in build is needed, but you will need to spend time learning some timing. The point of this guide is to show how easy it is to augment your current equipment set-up so that you can always be ready to take on cav if they become to many. Then. after the threat is over, you can go back to using the gear you always use. Really, all you're doing is adding 1-2 items to your set-up.
So, here's the big tip. When it comes to anti-cavving, the less WPF you having in polearm the better. The reason for this is that your spear will hang in the air for a long, long, ass time. And the entire time its hanging there, it can damage whatever it hits. That means if you throw it too early you might still kill some dumbass newbie cav who decides to rush you thinking you shot your wad early. It also means you sometimes get lucky glance stops or damage hits on cav passing by.
The obvious upside of this is that you don't need to change your build at all. Just toss a spear on your back and if you're getting gang banged by cav, stick your spear out at whoever comes your way. You can even throw a practice shield on for a special panic block if you fuck up (talking to you 2-handers).
The downside is of course that not everyone is a dumb newb who will fall for you sticking your spear out in the air hoping they'll run into it. This is where the practice comes in. If you're going to put no points into polearm (and why should you unless that's your primary focus), then you need to become knowledgeable of how long it takes for you to thrust your spear and how long it will stay thrusted. Basically, you need to spend a few hours getting wrecked by all the cav dicks out there until you get good enough where at least half of them learn to avoid you by your armor. At that point, you're helping the cause of cutting down on the cav pop. So you did your duty. If you wanna get good enough to kill Sauce (Tiny Glancer) every time he comes at you, then that's extra work you can put in for your country and everyone would love you for it all the more.
I can tell you that with practice, you can kill any cav with 0 wpf and a war spear. Because in the end its your skill vs their skill. And if everyone just grabbed a spear, we could end the cav plague every time it popped up.
Regarding gear, you're not going to want a spear that you cant sheath. Cav come suddenly and without warning if they think your a threat. They want to remove you so they can kill freely. If they think you're vulnerable even for a second, they'll get you good. There's no time to chuckle fuck around looking for your pike on the ground. I like to have my MW warspear with me any time there are a couple cav on. Its got a good length and good damage. Its not so long that I have to overthink where the cav is gonna be (and also so it won't get easily blocked by enemies I don't want to engage) but not so short that the cav will be in my face either. I let the cav come in close so he has to commit and then either he dies or is stopped or I die (or block or dodge).
And that's pretty much it.
So for the TLDR:
When map is overpopped with cav
1. Do not change your build.
2. Put a spear on your back.
2.a. (optional) put a practice shield on your back
3. Stab horses when they attack you.
4. Go back to primary weapon until another horse attacks.
5. When threat is over, drop the spear.
I hope this info helps someone. I know it'll be a no-brainer to most of the vets, but a lot of new people take a while to get how WPF works. Anyway, happy hunting.
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I just realized there's a guide section now. FUCK
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should probably recommend a fauchard over a war spear, imo. heavy lance is pretty long
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lance/spear/pike + awareness/an eye on your surroundings is the deadliest combination against cav
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Well thought out guide. Definitely tough for new players to avoid getting lanced into oblivion.
I carry a xbow and steel bolts which helps. Making a shot on a cav coming right at you isn't too hard and you get good damage due to their speed/direction.
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Overall a good guide, but it could really use a disclaimer at the top that simply says "Have at least an ounce of situational awareness." That is easily the most important thing to practice and you'd be surprised how many people still don't really have it. Since cav fly at you like stealth bombers with their super-quiet hooves, you really just need to know the map layout, and have a good understanding of where the majority of each team is at every moment. Being able to constantly picture the entire battlefield is the only skill you really need to successfully avoid getting lanced in the back by cav repeatedly. Once you've become a master of detecting cav, then you can follow this guide to great success. Also, the longer the polearm the better, so I'd definitely add Chester's suggestion of using the fauchard. For instance I typically use a battlefork and needless to say while it does rear cav, it isn't by any means a "free win."
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Yeah using the ~ key is very important
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Make sure to add that if you have 3-5 cav running a train on you your screwed regardless.
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Yeah using the ~ key is very important
It can definitely help, however I was talking about reading the situation and just knowing what angles cav are likely to attack from based on the information you do know (map layout, positions of enemies/allies, where cav attacked from previously during the same round/previous rounds/previous games, etc.), all while keeping your attention focused on the more immediate threats right in front of you... i.e. you aren't going to hit ~ while you're in a large fight and need to be blocking/attacking, this is where using something called a brain comes into play. I actually rarely, if ever, used ~ since spinning the camera around got me motion sick too easily. :D
It should be noted that you can also use your situational awareness to simply put yourself in an advantageous position without hard-committing to anything. For example, if you know that the cav will likely be hitting you from your left flank, but maybe you don't know when exactly they will strike, then try and position yourself so that you are simultaneously facing the infantry threat in front of you as well as the direction where the cav will be coming from (instead of only being prepared to deal with the infantry), so that way you can actually see them long before they hit you, and react accordingly. A "how to read the battlefield/situational awareness guide for beginners" is probably in order, but that sounds like a lotta work (especially since we all know new crpg players are a myth :wink:).
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can confirm the trick to nailing cav nerds such as myself is convincing us you're not paying any attention to us when you damn well are focused on us, and then rearing us. Caramel has mastered this technique.
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I hope this info helps someone. I know it'll be a no-brainer to most of the vets, but a lot of new people take a while to get how WPF works. Anyway, happy hunting.
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Honestly I think all of this is moot. If you're making suggestions to new players on how to survive vs. cav... I think the number one thing you can tell them is get a down block ready. It's hard for them to time attacks in ground combat and now you want them to attack a high speed moving horse. With couch being broken, new players who don't know: just need to know that a lancer cav can only thrust. So they just need to block down. The same thing applies if it's a non-lancer, you just need to block their telegraphed attack that's being held up. All while just moving away from the direction their going or juke them, so they cant knock you down just before their attack hits(therefore bypassing your block). Many eons ago when I was new, I found cav so frustrating, and then I realized that all you have to do is block their attack. When you become more of an advanced player, and can see some of the little delays and counter measures people are doing to counter each other, then you should be comfortable with attacking cav. Eventually you'll be like veterans that cav will avoid like the plague until they kill off everyone else, unless your back is turned of course.
Just block.
Get the basics down, and watch how others deal with cav, and start to learn. While staying alive.
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Honestly I think all of this is moot. If you're making suggestions to new players on how to survive vs. cav... I think the number one thing you can tell them is get a down block ready. It's hard for them to time attacks in ground combat and now you want them to attack a high speed moving horse. With couch being broken, new players who don't know: just need to know that a lancer cav can only thrust. So they just need to block down. The same thing applies if it's a non-lancer, you just need to block their telegraphed attack that's being held up. All while just moving away from the direction their going or juke them, so they cant knock you down just before their attack hits(therefore bypassing your block). Many eons ago when I was new, I found cav so frustrating, and then I realized that all you have to do is block their attack. When you become more of an advanced player, and can see some of the little delays and counter measures people are doing to counter each other, then you should be comfortable with attacking cav. Eventually you'll be like veterans that cav will avoid like the plague until they kill off everyone else, unless your back is turned of course.
Just block.
Get the basics down, and watch how others deal with cav, and start to learn. While staying alive.
how 2 block couched lance (after its fixed)?
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how 2 block couched lance (after its fixed)?
It's pretty easy to chamber a couched lance if you see it coming.
The best way to protect against cav is to have a teammate as bait next to you lol. You want to be the one after the one who get's bumped/hit by cavalry, that way you can hit them or their horse as they're trying to get out.
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how 2 block couched lance (after its fixed)?
Baby steps.
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3. Stab horses when they attack you.
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how 2 block couched lance (after its fixed)?
run in front of the horse it will do less dmg.
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how 2 block couched lance (after its fixed)?
My point was that Silveredge's "teach them how to down block" comment isn't very helpful. Caramel is trying to show people that you can easily adapt to a cavalry heavy environment and be beneficial to your team by equipping some form of anti-cavalry polearm, and all of this is possible without even changing your build. By saying "down block," you don't solve the problem of cav harassment, you only prolong dealing with it for another minute, potentially allowing that cavalry player to move along and hurt your teammates. You also can't stop any kind of damage done by the horse bump itself, and if cav is running through your formation knocking people to the ground, you can kiss your multi goodbye.
If you carry a spear around, you will do either 1 of 2 things:
1) Kill horses
2) Form a magical bubble around yourself and your teammates that cav players will not be able to enter
Honestly, the only thing I would add to Caramel's guide is to use ~ key as much as you can and listen for the sound of hooves beating.
Good guide, if people would pay attention to it they would be more inclined to play as actual teammates.
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Q - I - C - S
Incoming [C]avalry from behind!
Spam that voice command when you see cav chavs headed for your mates. Saves lives.
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listen for the sound of hooves beating.
If only horses actually made sounds before they were right on top of you. :mad:
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I can hear horses around corners even with my music playing.