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cRPG => General Discussion => Topic started by: tankmen on May 30, 2011, 07:48:42 pm
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as it states i keep checking the market and the same items are there for there outrageous prices, wonder if one or two have been bought without be noticeing
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as it states i keep checking the market and the same items are there for there outrageous prices, wonder if one or two have been bought without be noticeing
I see people wanting to buy at 200k, so my price is 250k for an heirloom atm.
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sounds better than most of the x1 heirlooms
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lol what a waste of heirloom imo :lol:
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I wonder too...
I wouldn't buy a x1 herloom for 300k. Simply because that is way more than I earn for one generation.
At the most you can earn 436,792 gold = 8,735,843 / 1000 * 50 if you grind to lvl 31 (with 0 upkeep peasant gear).
But the thing is, who does that? Very few I guess. And those who are willing to trade gold to get stuff instead of retiring and grinding don't have that much money because they don't play with peasant gear.
The cheapest x3 heirlooms are now being sold for 900.000 which is way too much imo.
But I guess we will soon see a massive decrease in prices. A x3 heirloom for 600k is still a bit too much for most players.
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Playing as an archer (so with quite low repair cost), i did like 150k in all my way to lv31. :rolleyes:
Still wouldn't sell any x1 heirloom for less than 200k, since i don't have many and well.. i deserved them, and it's my Father's ! No way i'll sell them to strangers, even if i have to eat grass to survive ! :twisted:
Unreasonable price. But there's unreasonable people who actually buy them, so of course sellers will continue selling it at thoses prices. Just natural way of trading. :rolleyes:
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i dont think i've sold +1 for more than 250k ever, and that was just a lucky trade after having put it in the market and being away for some hours... and i've traded alot!
i'd say 200k per loom is a fair price, little more for the items everyone needs, little less for items few people need.
it should go from 400k to 800k for mw items
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The actual trades go on in the forum marketplace and by private message. All those you see listed up there stay up there for days on end because the sellers don't know the actual price that people buy heirlooms for. The trades that area ctually completed by pm usually only show up on the market for a few minutes and are gone. Most of the currently listed heirlooms on the website marketplace are listed for twice the going rate of heirlooms. Your best bet is to pm the owner and negotiate (unless theya re completely clueless and think their heirloom is really worth a million gold). Especially with the nerf to heirlooming, +1 damage on a once heirloomed sword is never going to be worth 400K gold. Some of the bows/xbows (bigger heirloom buff) are worth more than other heirlooms like arrows or shields, yet people list MW bodkin arrows for 1 million gold having no idea there actual value.
A great solution would be to have a bank or random sell-off by chadz and company for 350K per heirloom point applied to an item, which would act as a ceiling (most expensive) so people can get a sense of actual worth and would support more active trading.
But until then, best solution pm personal messages to people listing in the marketplace forum or website.
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I just got offered 600k for x1 heirloom point 8-)
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the point i keep stressing is most x1 heirlooms are not worth more than 100-200k but until every one puts there heirloom down to that level the economy is dead. example* A sells his heirloom for 150k to B, B now has an heirloom , A goes to the market and buys an X1 heirloom of his choice or keeps the money. As it is now A sells his x1 heirloom at 375k(lowest i seen), B doesn't have the money because hes a new player(gen1-3) and at best may have 90k-100k if he hasn't bought anything in 2 gens, heirloom stays in market, economy stands still.
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the point i keep stressing is most x1 heirlooms are not worth more than 100-200k but until every one puts there heirloom down to that level the economy is dead. example* A sells his heirloom for 150k to B, B now has an heirloom , A goes to the market and buys an X1 heirloom of his choice or keeps the money. As it is now A sells his x1 heirloom at 375k(lowest i seen), B doesn't have the money because hes a new player(gen1-3) and at best may have 90k-100k if he hasn't bought anything in 2 gens, heirloom stays in market, economy stands still.
Erm... what ? Is your economy closed or open ? You say A buys an heirloom from someone else, then you say the heirloom is going to stay in the market because B can't buy it ? Besides, 375k is a ridiculous price for a +1 IMO. I don't understand what your point is. If I put an heirloom for sale at 20M gold, well it's my problem...
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i said example as in, if every one lowered their price to 150k for heirloomx1
edit* the point i keep stressing is most x1 heirlooms are not worth more than 100-200k but until every one puts there heirloom down to that level the economy is dead. example* A sells his heirloom for 150k to B, B now has an heirloom , A goes to the market and buys an X1 heirloom of his choice or keeps the money. As it is now A sells his x1 heirloom at 375k(lowest i seen), B doesn't have the money because hes a new player(gen1-3) and at best may have 90k-100k if he hasn't bought anything in 2 gens, heirloom stays in market, economy stands still.
that's whats happening now, i put example but clearly you ignored the example with the * next to it, then ignored the period that ended the example
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i said example as in, if every one lowered their price to 150k for heirloomx1
edit* that's whats happening now, i put example but clearly you ignored the example with the * next to it, then ignored the period that ended the example
Not going to happen, because somebody will always want to see if they can get 25K more for it. There has been meeting of the minds around 175K-225K per heirloom point (Tsar we are talking about already assigned heirloomed points), but those deals are quickly concluded on the market after they have pmed each other with an agreement so you just don't see them, but they are continually taking place. However, the marketplace has slowed down considerably since the start because most people with reasonable ideas of the value of their heirlooms have sold/traded/bought and there mainly remains the emotionally attached people who just can't part with their heirloom for less than 2 million (even though no one person has the gold to buy that item and even if they did they wouldn't pay that much for your shitty heirloom). But there is still the occasional trade and evena few sales you just don't see going on because they are not ont the virtual amrketplace long enough to be noticed.
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If you'd be attached to your heirloom why would you put it on the market in the first place? I've had the same problem, I just wanted to trade heirlooms, but how can I take a 200k offer when I have to buy 400k for the new one. So, I've sold it for 400k, bought what I wanted for 400k, no problem at all for me. Sure, it are kind of unrealistic prices but since the values of gold and heirlooms are extremely subjective, you have to go with the majority. Still, people will find the balance sooner or later, simply by virtue of not getting their trades.
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the problem is that most people only buy for half the value of the heirlooms and sells for twice the value as they are afraid to get a bad deal... In the beginning, people were open to the new feature, and you were actually able to do some trading... now you can look for days without finding a reasonable offer.
One of the main problems is that sometimes some archer or ninja with 1,5 million gold needs something, and he just needs that one thing - therefore he offers 1 million for it, and that makes people think their crap is actually worth 1 million.
200k per heirloom at average is a reasonable price, and people should stop asking for much more.
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If I were buying an 1x heirloom I wanted, I'd pay 400k for it. That is roughly ( a bit less than) the amount of money I had at the end of Gen1. I wore mostly light gear (tabard, straw/woolen hat, leather boots, leather gloves) and higher tier weaponry (green Heater Shield, Long Espada). I didn't start wearing chain till gen 5. Won't start plate until gen 7, personally. So maybe I'm an exception, but even after dropping 800k on heirlooms, I still have 200k left, no problem, and rising.
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I wonder too...
I wouldn't buy a x1 herloom for 300k. Simply because that is way more than I earn for one generation.
At the most you can earn 436,792 gold = 8,735,843 / 1000 * 50 if you grind to lvl 31 (with 0 upkeep peasant gear).
But the thing is, who does that? Very few I guess. And those who are willing to trade gold to get stuff instead of retiring and grinding don't have that much money because they don't play with peasant gear.
The cheapest x3 heirlooms are now being sold for 900.000 which is way too much imo.
But I guess we will soon see a massive decrease in prices. A x3 heirloom for 600k is still a bit too much for most players.
your sig is so fucken epic
anyway on topic i think it takes longer to grind to lvl 31 than it does to play with peasant gear until you have 300k.
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Bought my +1 bec for 350k. It was worth it. I'd like to see the prices come down but don't count on it. Supply and demand.
I've seen other +1 becs up for 400k/450k that have likely sold too.
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Prices are going to go up, not down. 300k is going to look cheap in the future because gold is going to slowly become more plentiful (unless a new patch changes things).
Yes it's expensive, but there are a lot of people that have bought pretty much everything they need and are rolling in dough. What better thing to do than spend the gold on heirlooms at that point?
E: I've sold several for 300k+ on the market.
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Prices are going to go up, not down. 300k is going to look cheap in the future because gold is going to slowly become more plentiful (unless a new patch changes things).
Yes it's expensive, but there are a lot of people that have bought pretty much everything they need and are rolling in dough. What better thing to do than spend the gold on heirlooms at that point?
E: I've sold several for 300k+ on the market.
There were several people buying and reselling the same heirlooms when it first came out that inflated the prices a bit, but you don't see that much anymore. Most heirlooms below the masterwork level are not enough different from the original weapon to make it worth half a million. Like I am currently looking to trade my Lordly Khergit Guard Armor for a MW fighting axe. If i was to get a 1x loomed it adds +1 damage, 2x loomed its up to +2 damage, but only when you get the 3x do you get +1 speed and the full +3 damage. Why would anyone pay 400K for +1 damage, you wouldn't even notice the difference. And most of the 2handers and 1handers heriloomed are like that so a 3x loomed should be worth significantly more than 2x but 1x and 2x shouldn't be that expensive, but the market is currently over-pricing the lower level looms and treating each loomed point as equal. however, x3 looms and bows/xbows are much better stat increased heirlooms that doesn't seem to be priced into the market.
P.S. I did just pay 250K for a tempered bastard sword, but mainly because it was a clanmate.
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There were several people buying and reselling the same heirlooms when it first came out that inflated the prices a bit, but you don't see that much anymore. Most heirlooms below the masterwork level are not enough different from the original weapon to make it worth half a million. Like I am currently looking to trade my Lordly Khergit Guard Armor for a MW fighting axe. If i was to get a 1x loomed it adds +1 damage, 2x loomed its up to +2 damage, but only when you get the 3x do you get +1 speed and the full +3 damage. Why would anyone pay 400K for +1 damage, you wouldn't even notice the difference. And most of the 2handers and 1handers heriloomed are like that so a 3x loomed should be worth significantly more than 2x but 1x and 2x shouldn't be that expensive, but the market is currently over-pricing the lower level looms and treating each loomed point as equal. however, x3 looms and bows/xbows are much better stat increased heirlooms that doesn't seem to be priced into the market.
P.S. I did just pay 250K for a tempered bastard sword, but mainly because it was a clanmate.
I think people buy them because of the time it saves to get a headstart on their master work set. The whole time is money thing :)
Also consider this: Gold is becoming more plentiful with the marketplace allowing people to buy for less and sell for more, and the money stays with the players instead of sold items going to the 'bank'. Heirlooms on the other hand will become more scarce because the retirement system has become less attractive. Put those together and I wouldn't be surprised if 500k per heirloom becomes common.
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I sold a x1 Heraldic Transitional Armor for 400k about a week ago.
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and people should stop asking for much more.
Economics time:
Reasonable in an open market is what people will pay, not what we wish they would pay. Simple story, if none of your peers were buying at these prices, the prices would drop. There is no external force to prop up artificial prices, therefore no foul play. You're dealing with an incredibly limited resource. While some have dozens of heirlooms because they've played since the dawn of time, most have a few. Beyond that since heirlooms are attached to specific items one has to find someone who spent the time to get an heirloom and has the exact heirloom they want. For some items this is trivial, for niche items this is not.
You can see the prices of heirlooms dropping a bit, but honestly what you're saying when you make an heirloom trade is "how much is ~1 month of my life worth?" A lot of people place a high value on their time. Some people do not so you will see lower offers. I'd be surprised if the market changed drastically without some sort of serious coding change to heirlooms (i.e. nerf), however.
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I'm selling my heirloom for 400k, but that is because in order to buy one I want I need that much money.
I'd love to trade it for what I want...but if there are no traders, I need to sell for enough gold to just buy what I want.
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sold thick kuyak for 400k, mw claymore for 420k, atm sporting another thick kuyak to sell :-)
not that big deal to retire to make a loom and sell it, i am actually looking forward to when i am lvl 31again, as i might get some nice cash (playing with unloomed items now, as i sold all i could, and lordly gothic is a heart issue, so that one is staying :D )
edit: not to speak i sent like 600 k golds to my clanmates and friends to help them gear out :D
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Heirlooms on the other hand will become more scarce because the retirement system has become less attractive.
Actually there is more and more heirloomed stuff for the simple reason that the more people play the more they retire and heirloom.
Just look on the battlefield: it is so usual to find tempered, balanced and MW stuff around.
Price will inevitably decrease as heirloomed gears become common.
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I bought a heirloom point for 100k :D
true story
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The arse will fall out of the market. It always does... bloody tulips. The most gold I ever got my hands on at one time was 40k, using peasant gear, the moment I actually try and have, blam, my bank account empties. On the other hand, when I armour and tool up I often find myself on the nice end of an x5. So if the rounds really drag on and on then I can make a good bit of cash. Seriously though there should be some kind of gold mode, where buckets are sitting around on the ground and when you kill a well armed player you get 500 or something.
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Well as it stands right now at this point in time, gold is worthless beyond a point, a point which isn't hard to reach, I wouldn't sell a x1 heirloom even for a million gold, because what on earth am I going to do with that gold when I already got the different equipment I like and can use all the time.
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Well as it stands right now at this point in time, gold is worthless beyond a point, a point which isn't hard to reach, I wouldn't sell a x1 heirloom even for a million gold, because what on earth am I going to do with that gold when I already got the different equipment I like and can use all the time.
for me selling my looms meant a lot of guys getting new equip, and what more, money to upkeep it...i could go around on plated charger with full plate set for ages now :)