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This is worth 300 mln $? Really? Still better than this shit (only 180 mln):(click to show/hide)
How can you just post a pic and a price and claim this is bs, there is a thing called context, that goes for people posting Malevich calling it bs.
Famous examples of his Suprematist works include Black Square (1915)[15] and White On White (1918).
How can you just post a pic and a price and claim this is bs, there is a thing called context, that goes for people posting Malevich calling it bs.So how about explaining how a black square gets better with context?
If you don't understand and have no desire to educate yourself leave it knaves.
So how about explaining how a black square gets better with context?
Get on Wiki, you're good at it.w e w lad
w e w lad
We'll take that as a "there is no possible way I can get out of this hole that I dug." Thanks for playing.
So how about explaining how a black square gets better with context?
Get on Wiki, you're good at it.
A plurality of art historians, curators, and critics refer to Black Square as one of the seminal works of modern art, and of abstract art in the Western painterly tradition generally.
Malevich declared the square a work of Suprematism, a movement which he proclaimed but which is associated almost exclusively with the work Malevich and his apprentice Lissitzky today. The movement did have a handful of supporters amongst the Russian avant garde but it was dwarfed by its sibling constructivism whose manifesto harmonized better with the ideological sentiments of the revolutionary communist government during the early days of Soviet Union. Suprematism may be understood as a transitional phase in the evolution of Russian art, bridging the evolutionary gap between futurism and constructivism.
The larger and more universal leap forward represented by the painting, however, is the break between representational painting and abstract painting—a complex transition with which Black Square has become identified and for which it has become one of the key shorthands, touchstones or symbols.[6]
I know it's a hard read, don't beat yourself too much kiddo.You're trying too hard son, you've already admitted defeat by claiming something and then being unable to explain.
You're trying too hard son, you've already admitted defeat by claiming something and then being unable to explain.
Why should I bother since you have articles about it written on the web, waste of time. If you still don't get it, you don't get it, not my problem.No one but pretentious "art connoisseurs" "get it" because there's nothing to get. The emperor has no clothes.
Also, a lot of the so called boring modern art, is worth a lot simply because its the first time someone did it!
If it takes no talent and no effort to create, then it's not an art.
By the time of his death, his artistic day had gone, and the avant garde held the man and his work in the utmost contempt; he was described in the 1920s as the worst painter of all time! Paintings for which Tadema had been paid large sums of money, sold at derisory prices, and in extreme cases were impossible to give-away. He still had some adherents, and some uses. Cecil B DeMille, Film Producer of Hollywood Epics, used Tadema’s paintings as an aid to the design of scenery for his films. The overall situation though was dire.
In the late 1960s the revival of interest in Victorian painting gained impetus, and a number of well attended exhibitions were held. But in the case of Alma-Tadema there was one single bizarre incident which acted as a catalyst in his posthumous artistic reformation. Alan Funt, host of the American version of the television show Candid Camera had accumulated a collection of Alma-Tadema pictures. The unfortunate Funt was robbed by his accountant, who subsequently committed suicide. In memorable words I heard him use in a radio interview, Funt said that he realised he had every accoutrement of a wealthy man except money. He was thus forced to sell his collection, at Sotheby’s in London in November 1973. From this sale the interest in Alma-Tadema was re-awakened. In 1960 the Newman Gallery firstly tried to sell, then give away, without success, one of his most celebrated works ‘The Finding of Moses,’ of 1904. The initial purchaser had paid £5250 for it on it’s completion! When the same picture was auctioned at Christies in New York in May 1995, it sold for £1.75 million.
More than eighty years after his death Lawrence Alma-Tadema was back in vogue.
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This is exactly the fuck you that this part of Polish culture needs. It's not smart, it's not pretty, it's not original, but it is effective and gets the message across.
Omg not this bullshit. Ignorant Plebs not understanding art again. Xant you just proved you are a potato.You just proved you're an idiot (again).
First of all, pricing of art. Like absolutely everything else, price is governed by what people are willing to pay for it. Criticise the buyers, not the price itself.
Also, a lot of the so called boring modern art, is worth a lot simply because its the first time someone did it! In the history of human expression, those works represent the earliest attempts to create something new. That is why they are important in art history.
Now, I'd be the first to admit there's also a lot of bullshit in the art world, so I'm not defending every aspect of it. I think that economic speculation and the more academic parts often do loose touch with reality.
- In essence though, modern art is connected to the possibilities of the human experience, which is filled with strange, unexplained things like music, how a seemingly plain Rothko painting can have emotional power. I remember I saw one of his paintings in London probably 10 years ago. I had no idea who he was. It was simply a huge painting in an imposible deep blood red color. My heart started beating out of nowhere. I have no idea why, but it had a direct emotional effect. Just a big red rectangle. Must have been something like this:(click to show/hide)
(by the way, a picture on your screen doesn't do it justice.)
To this day I dunno why it was so effective. Must have been something deeply human? My mood that day? Fear? Some deep instinctual programming surfacing?
I guess my point is, if you are interested in the human experience, the human condition, experiencing in your life, thoughts and emotions not readily served everyday, it's worth it to not just be dismissive, but rather open. All art is not for everyone, but there might be something there for you too.
What I can't stand though, are narrow minded people who's eyes are only open to the most limited ideas of "Beauty" and skill, trying to impose their views on people who's souls, eyes, ideas and emotions are open to what humanity can express.
PS. "Dwarf" is not a president, he's more like a king of poland :wink:
People tend to get mad a lot about the word "art". It doesn't carry much meaning. Most of the art I consume is for entertainment or historic curiosity, I have no use for a dick on a cross or a painted black square. But it doesn't bother me that people call these things art. The word used to refer to precise things, but that stopped being the case almost a century ago.
Lol you are right of course. Just de facto hi kinda is..https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rationalization_(psychology)
I also think this activist art was not directed at you, but at the system. You cannot deny it was successful in getting attention. Strange too, since naked jesus is not exactly controversial when it comes to the churches own crosses.. Arguably it does put focus on the hypocrisy of the church. What's wrong with a Penis? Is it also not a part of humanity? What god created? Even Jesus? See even this Banal piece gets depth with a second thought.
You are right and I agree. As someone said earlier, context is important. The black square isn't important now, but it probably was once upon a time. Probably in an internal-art-world-what-is-art context. Necessary back in the day, valuable cuz historic context now. Like an ancient egyptian vase or whatever.
You just proved you're an idiot (again).
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/modern-art-was-cia-weapon-1578808.html
You are right and I agree. As someone said earlier, context is important. The black square isn't important now, but it probably was once upon a time. Probably in an internal-art-world-what-is-art context. Necessary back in the day, valuable cuz historic context now. Like an ancient egyptian vase or whatever.
I know the story, so what?Yes, that is infinitely better than a black square, or a white square on a bigger white square.
I guess you prefer ideologically defined art? Like this?(click to show/hide)
That's you by the way. A simple Finnish potato farmer.
Yes, that is infinitely better than a black square, or a white square on a bigger white square.
As I said, that's not meant for you. If you were interested, you could probably dig up the context it was made in, and the whole thing might make more sense. Perhaps it's a protest painting against censorship? Or a narrow definition of art?There is no possible context that would make it better. Any "art" that I can also whip up in 60 seconds and Paint is not "art." "Narrow definition of art", lmfao, refer to the rationalization link up above.
But yeah fuck it, I don't understand, so it must be bullshit. Moon landing is a hoax etc.
But yeah, enjoy being the bigoted narrow minded potato peasant that you are. Enjoy your extremely limited human experience to the fullest!
You just proved you're an idiot (again).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rationalization_(psychology)
No he started.
Omg not this bullshit. Ignorant Plebs not understanding art again. Xant you just proved you are a potato.
Obsessing over what others call art or not is stupid, though. If you don't like it, don't buy it, who cares? Let those that consider it art waste their time and money on it.
Yes, it's great drawing, but cmon, don't act like 5 year old because someone downvoted your post.make me
Why it's so hard to understand that this downvote button is for a reason and you don't need to explain why you pressed it. Noone asks me: "why did you upvote my post?".
I have zero problems with myself, but your eagerness to sink so low says a lot about you.It's not low, it's just facts and the truth.
I have no problems understanding your very simple point of view. It is after all the point of view of an obnoxious child.
Which is okay. No one is forcing you to try harder than to glance at the world around you. No one is forcing you to try to understand. It is after all the easier position to take.
I remember I saw one of his paintings in London probably 10 years ago. I had no idea who he was. It was simply a huge painting in an imposible deep blood red color. My heart started beating out of nowhere. I have no idea why, but it had a direct emotional effect. Just a big red rectangle. Must have been something like this:(click to show/hide)
(by the way, a picture on your screen doesn't do it justice.)
To this day I dunno why it was so effective. Must have been something deeply human? My mood that day? Fear? Some deep instinctual programming surfacing?
I guess my point is, if you are interested in the human experience, the human condition, experiencing in your life, thoughts and emotions not readily served everyday, it's worth it to not just be dismissive, but rather open. All art is not for everyone, but there might be something there for you too.
are memes art?
visitors can't see pics , please register or loginNo vibe you don't understand, if someone shits on a canvas and calls it modern art you're just a narrowminded pleb if you don't see the beauty and deep thoughtfulness of it. It probably depicts something like a deeply internalized fear of intimacy, you're just too stupid to get it.
and here my friends is how to blow a simple red rectangle WAY out of proportion
No vibe you don't understand, if someone shits on a canvas and calls it modern art you're just a narrowminded pleb if you don't see the beauty and deep thoughtfulness of it. It probably depicts something like a deeply internalized fear of intimacy, you're just too stupid to get it.
It's like the best con ever, all the easily fooled retards will literally force meaning out of something that has no meaning, and then tip their fedoras as they smile smugly to themselves because they "get" something that the unwashed masses don't.
It's okay Xant. What's next, hating on those with university degrees? Everyone who understands and enjoy something you don't?You can stop trying to hard, wow, university degree, amazing... oh wait, it's not the fucking 1800s anymore, retard. The majority of people in this thread telling you you're full of shit HAVE university degrees, which you'd realize if your IQ wasn't 70, and that's an optimistic estimate.
Everybody gets your point. And it's the perspective of a child. The art world dealt with all that around 100 years ago. It just looks incredibly ignorant championing such attitudes today.
You are simply displaying your ignorance like the peasant that you are. Like you think that humans have nothing worthy to show or experience other than classicist art or immediate beauty. Since you seem to have ambitions of coming across as an intelligent person, I suggest you start reading up.
Intelligence leads to logical thinking. What you are saying isn't logical at all. You can't call him ignorant because he doesn't see beauty of red circle. It is other way around actually, claiming there is something but people don't get is rather ignorant view on things. When you say there is something other than red painted circle on canvas you are ignoring fact that there is nothing other than red pained circle on that very canvas. That is my friend, is ignorance.If someone pointed at empty air and said it's a modernistic piece of performance art Thomek would applaud loudly and proclaim he's never seen its equal, wow, the entire world represented in such a little space, amazing -- because he's intellectually dishonest and can't separate reality from fantasy, on top of not understanding how logic in general works... well, it's probably a combination of lack of intellectual capacity and intellectual dishonesty coming together in a spectacular combination of arrogant ignorance, but hey, no one's stupid on purpose.
Classical paintings with great detail thrived in age of enlightenment, when people started valuing reason and logic above everything else. Period when humanity invented so many things, just because they used their biggest advantage over other animals. Reason. Don't you think there is a connection between their focus on logic and reason and their penchant for beautiful work of art that actually takes time and commitment to detail?
Saying how things are does not fall under ignorance. Claiming that there is something that isn't, can be considered as example of ignorance.
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If someone pointed at empty air and said it's a modernistic piece of performance art Thomek would applaud loudly and proclaim he's never seen its equal, wow, the entire world represented in such a little space, amazing -- because he's intellectually dishonest and can't separate reality from fantasy, on top of not understanding how logic in general works... well, it's probably a combination of lack of intellectual capacity and intellectual dishonesty coming together in a spectacular combination of arrogant ignorance, but hey, no one's stupid on purpose.
What's the difference between the finger painting of a child and the masterpiece of a modern artist? The gullible people being conned. When there's no actual, real world difference between the two, the only possible conclusion can be that there is no difference between the two.
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Can you logically explain me why you enjoy cRPG?
Tell me why people cry when they see the paintings of Munch? Can you logically explain me why you enjoy cRPG?(click to show/hide)
This is how you do when you want to shorten quote. Putting bla bla is a bit disrespectful and I'm not sure why you should do that to me when Xant is insulting you whole time.
Still don't understand what geology, rock formation and minerals have to do with square painted with red on white canvas. Maybe if there was something beneath it, some secret but in our case there is no such thing. Or there is, but we are so ignorant we're unable to see it? If you ask me, some serious straw grabbing going on in this thread from your side.
People cry to Braco, a spiritual leader who has a magical look. For convenience he even does it over Skype! No words, just a look man, extremely powerful stuff! GAZE OF MIRACLES
"THIS BLACK STROKE OF PAINT REPRESENTS THE DEATH AND DESPAIR IN THE WORLD"That's a good analogy. "Literary analysis" in school is largely the same bullshit, you're trying hard to insert your own feelings into the artist's work and call it his original intention. Uhm, what is the meaning of the time of the day here? Does it represent the duality of Man? Or could it maybe be that the writer flipped a coin? Of course, still makes a hundred times more sense than trying to fit a red rectangle into the round hole of actual art.
What is this shit, are we in English class again where we have to make up some bullshit reason as to why the curtains are black? COULD IT NOT JUST BE BECAUSE THE CURTAINS WERE MADE THAT WAY?!?!!$
no the curtains are blak becus it represent the sadnes in dis wumynz life xdddd
That's a good analogy. "Literary analysis" in school is largely the same bullshit, you're trying hard to insert your own feelings into the artist's work and call it his original intention. Uhm, what is the meaning of the time of the day here? Does it represent the duality of Man? Or could it maybe be that the writer flipped a coin? Of course, still makes a hundred times more sense than trying to fit a red rectangle into the round hole of actual art.
I'm stuck staring at it, not understanding why the fuck this simple red rectangle has such an emotional effect. I still don't get _why_ exactly, but I remember it clear as day.Red, like other colors, has a proven psychological effect https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Color_psychology
That's a good analogy. "Literary analysis" in school is largely the same bullshit, you're trying hard to insert your own feelings into the artist's work and call it his original intention. Uhm, what is the meaning of the time of the day here? Does it represent the duality of Man? Or could it maybe be that the writer flipped a coin? Of course, still makes a hundred times more sense than trying to fit a red rectangle into the round hole of actual art.
Red, like other colors, has a proven psychological effect https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Color_psychology
…only in expressing basic human emotions—tragedy, ecstasy, doom, and so on. And the fact that a lot of people break down and cry when confronted with my pictures shows that I can communicate those basic human emotions… The people who weep before my pictures are having the same religious experience I had when I painted them. And if you, as you say, are moved only by their color relationship, then you miss the point.
under educatedundereducated*