Off Topic => General Off Topic => Topic started by: Leshma on June 23, 2016, 04:57:42 pm
Title: White man's dominance has come to an end
Post by: Leshma on June 23, 2016, 04:57:42 pm
Are you under same impression like me, that burden of technological progress of our specie is carried away by Asian people? Don't you think that time will come when they will reap rewards of their effort and shun the white man, his needs and desires into bottomless pit where he rightly belongs. Arrogance of white people is showing and is amplified by their ignorance.
America is still great, but not thanks to the white man. That country is being led forwards by naturalized Chinese, Japanese and people of Indian heritage. White men serve only as spokespersons or so called CEOs, but for how long? We have already seen shift in some large corporations that have replaced white people with Indians (Microsoft, Google). Rest have Jewish people in charge, but they are very close in their dedication and hard work to Asian people.
We hear Britons asking for their former greatness back, but I don't see how they deserve any of that. Their empire has crumbled, hell newly elected major of their biggest city isn't white!
Germans are the only white people in whole Europe who can still hold a candle to Asian dominance but they can't do it alone. Not only that, they are open to mixing of cultures and actively are working on turning their Nordic neighboring countries into racial and cultural melting pot.
Who has the most supercomputers in the world? Chinese. Who are the most intelligent and educated people in the world? Asians. Who runs economies of greatest world countries? Asians.
Do you see any way of changing this, to make white man great again?
Title: Re: White man's dominance has come to an end
Post by: Leshma on June 23, 2016, 05:15:33 pm
Just to clarify something. You've seen the title, and maybe even read the last sentence. OP is known. Chances are this is 100% troll topic and should be avoided like plague. Mostly correct.
But I didn't open this solely to ruffle some feathers. Prior to opening this I've read (http://www.overclock3d.net/articles/gpu_displays/amd_radeon_reaches_vega_10_internal_milestone/1) this article and seen this picture:
It immediately reminded me how things stand. This is AMD, an American company. Their branch ATI, graphic chip maker. They were Canadian company. Somehow I expected some people in a room somewhere in their headquarters in Canada to be frontrunner's. Nope, it's Shanghai and bunch of Chinese scientists. Team leader and director of graphic chip group inside AMD is Raja Koduri who is tweeting this. Obviously of Indian heritage. Nothing to do with Canada, USA or white people. Yes, white man is getting the most of the money being shareholders but for how long?
Another example, game developer company I value as the best in business. Naughty Dog, located in sunny California, on outskirts of Santa Monica. They push the boundaries of console and arguable real time graphics in general. I have seen their studio once, bunch of females and pretty much everyone is Asian!
Many examples. There are very few successful white people in leading industry of the world, making important hurdles and overcoming seemingly impossible. We (white people) just aren't important anymore and that will certainly shift the power to the true innovators of this era. We may still control them (non white) but they won't have it for much longer.
Title: Re: White man's dominance has come to an end
Post by: Overdriven on June 23, 2016, 05:15:36 pm
Sheesh. A lot of it is work ethic and education.
There's a lot wrong with education systems in Asia. But they really teach the core subjects, particularly the more technical ones very well.
Add to that mix is the social pressure. For example, Indian's are pressured strongly by society and their parents into studying medicine, engineering and subjects like that. Whereas it's seen as relatively unacceptable to study an artsy subject.
The way their education works is also vastly different. A lot of Asian nations are terrible at theoretical and free thinking work, because they are educated by memorizing facts, equations ect. A lot of the Asian's I knew at University had a terrible time learning how to write argument based essays and dissertations because it's completely different from their education system which tests people by how well they can remember things.
But my wife, who is pretty crap at maths by Indian standards, could complete year 3 University maths work for some of our friends at Uni here. When she saw the kind of stuff I did at GCSE level she cracked up because most of it they had covered in primary school level.
Title: Re: White man's dominance has come to an end
Post by: Angantyr on June 23, 2016, 05:16:29 pm
Tolerance and apathy are the last virtues of a dying society- Aristotle
Title: Re: White man's dominance has come to an end
Post by: Leshma on June 23, 2016, 05:25:09 pm
Whereas it's seen as relatively unacceptable to study an artsy subject.
That is correct. Thing is, artsy subjects are losing big time in the job market throughout Europe and America. Feel free to study but don't blame others when you find yourself in situation where landing decent paid job has become increasingly difficult. Especially compared to people who have studied engineering or medicine. Many people who have studied medicine in Serbia are leaving for Nordic countries because they are in dire need of medicine personnel and doctors. This is still whites versus whites situation, but we're talking about lesser Whites (dirty Slavs from the south) against glorious Nordic master race. Tore, while spending his youth playing cRPG and trolling on these forums have lost many job opportunities to Serbian medicine students. Now he'll work some menial, low wage job. Until capitalism decides he's not needed and that robot can do that job just as well for fraction of a cost.
Title: Re: White man's dominance has come to an end
Post by: Leshma on June 23, 2016, 05:29:52 pm
Tolerance and apathy are the last virtues of a dying society- Aristotle
From what I've read of your posting so far, you are for isolationism. Can you please explain how will that shift the situation around? You know, Yugoslavia was doing exactly that. Foreign enemies, filthy pigs, wanted to ruin our beautiful country. So we locked ourselves and was locked away by others via sanctions they imposed against us. Results of that are horrifying and to this day we're going south very fast and there is no end to this bottomless pit. Russians did the same and are still doing it. Cubans too. North Korea... Didn't work for any of them. Why do you think it will work for European white people?
Title: Re: White man's dominance has come to an end
Post by: Angantyr on June 23, 2016, 05:31:48 pm
Honestly, still in the sciences there's almost no innovation from the Asian countries. What you're seeing is other countries catching up a bit, but there is nothing that shows that the world order is changing to any considerable degree. Western technology dominates in almost every area on the world scene and will continue to dominate at least in our lifetime and that of our children.
I've never been for isolationism. Having the same kind of border control as every other country on Earth throughout history is not isolationism. Not saying we should shut the door but that we should take more care who goes through it, I think I've been pretty clear about this. Cultural or ethnic conservatism is not isolating anything but taking care of it, adopting useful things from the outside and keeping the useless or damaging out. I love biodiversity and cultural diversity, which is why London shouldn't look like Islamabad and Berlin shouldn't look like Ankara and Rinkeby in Sweden shouldn't be called Little Mogadishu - or the other way around.
Title: Re: White man's dominance has come to an end
Post by: Overdriven on June 23, 2016, 05:39:18 pm
That is correct. Thing is, artsy subjects are losing big time in the job market throughout Europe and America. Feel free to study but don't blame others when you find yourself in situation where landing decent paid job has become increasingly difficult. Especially compared to people who have studied engineering or medicine. Many people who have studied medicine in Serbia are leaving for Nordic countries because they are in dire need of medicine personnel and doctors. This is still whites versus whites situation, but we're talking about lesser Whites (dirty Slavs from the south) against glorious Nordic master race. Tore, while spending his youth playing cRPG and trolling on these forums have lost many job opportunities to Serbian medicine students. Now he'll work some menial, low wage job. Until capitalism decides he's not needed and that robot can do that job just as well for fraction of a cost.
Yeah if you get a good medical degree or engineering degree in the UK you are pretty much in the money. Study Geography like me though and you're fucked. Business and Economics still go along way here as well thanks to the demand in London. A big part of it here is also the excess of degrees. They've gone from being for the most educated to pretty much being for anyone with half a brain. So to get a job out of uni on a graduate scheme you pretty much need a 1st or to have studied something inherently useful. Now you need a masters or PHD to be considered really educated.
Title: Re: White man's dominance has come to an end
Post by: Leshma on June 23, 2016, 05:41:40 pm
Honestly, still in sciences there's almost no innovation from the Asian countries. What you're seeing is other countries catching up a bit, but there nothing to show that the world order is changing to any considerable degree. Western technology dominates in almost every area on the world scene and will continue to dominate at least in our lifetime and that of our children.
I've never been for isolationism, btw. Having the same kind of border control as every other country on the earth is not isolationism. Not saying we should shut the door but that we should take more care who goes through it, I think I've been pretty clear about this. Cultural conservatism is not isolating anything but taking care of it, adopting useful things from the outside and keeping the useless or damaging out. I love biodiversity and cultural diversity, which is why London shouldn't look like New Delhi and Berlin shouldn't look like Ankara and Rinkeby in Sweden shouldn't be called Little Mogadishu, or the other way around.
You are looking at things a bit wrong. Asians are dominant in innovation but character of innovation has changed, from being job of one genius who'll turn world around on his own (Einstein, Tesla and rest of their ilk) to huge teams of scientists who are pushing boundaries today, often silently because media isn't giving them enough spotlight. Reason for that is, general public isn't interested in it, because of their poor education on the subject they can't possible understand what the fuss is all about. We're living in Orwellian society where most people are idiots. Because of that and media who are creating reflection of our collective work and doing it to benefit the leading class while hiding true image, it is often hard to see and acknowledge what is the current situation.
White man's countries hold most patents, but that's because how corporative business works. Those patents are result of mainly Asian workforce. It may be under Google, Apple, Samsung or whatever brand or corporation is attached to it, but people who are delivering are not those we white people want to see as true innovators.
Title: Re: White man's dominance has come to an end
Post by: Angantyr on June 23, 2016, 06:05:39 pm
That is not the picture I get from science journals.
But a lot of scientists and people in the IT industry especially in the US are Asian that is true, but Asian-Americans are pretty much 'white' anyway, in general Asians blend in really well in our societies. White culture dominate in the sciences and humanities and by far militarily, heck the scientific method itself is a product of the Enlightenment and secularism, which again are based on Hellenic philosophy. I like the Asian cultures and I'm only happy to see them progress, but as Overdriven touches upon most of their learning is done without the Socratic Method, it doesn't really stimulate independent thinking which we know leads to original thought.
Title: Re: White man's dominance has come to an end
Post by: Butan on June 23, 2016, 06:41:50 pm
America is still great, but not thanks to the white man. That country is being led forwards by naturalized Chinese, Japanese and people of Indian heritage. No Who has the most supercomputers in the world? Chinese. Yes Who are the most intelligent and educated people in the world? Asians. No Who runs economies of greatest world countries? Asians. No
Do you see any way of changing this, to make white man great again? No need
Title: Re: White man's dominance has come to an end
Post by: Kafein on June 23, 2016, 06:54:00 pm
Add to that mix is the social pressure. For example, Indian's are pressured strongly by society and their parents into studying medicine, engineering and subjects like that. Whereas it's seen as relatively unacceptable to study an artsy subject.
It's actually to the point that there are too many engineers in India. I repeat. Too many engineers. The reason many of them become expats or immigrate isn't specifically to get a better pay or because they are particularly brilliant (some are), but to get a job related to what they studied at all. The social pressure to study STEM fields is so strong that it actually draws people who really shouldn't to go into that and thus drives the level down.
As for who drives scientific innovation, it's asians and middle-easterners in US colleges. People who don't give a shit about their tribal identity in general because they have less pathetic stuff to worry about.
Title: Re: White man's dominance has come to an end
Post by: Golem on June 23, 2016, 07:29:15 pm
White man will simply survive through anything, because we have what other races don't. Frenzy.
Title: Re: White man's dominance has come to an end
Post by: Xant on June 23, 2016, 08:28:23 pm
It's actually to the point that there are too many engineers in India. I repeat. Too many engineers. The reason many of them become expats or immigrate isn't specifically to get a better pay or because they are particularly brilliant (some are), but to get a job related to what they studied at all. The social pressure to study STEM fields is so strong that it actually draws people who really shouldn't to go into that and thus drives the level down.
I believe anyone who has had to work with Indians in the IT sphere can attest to this. Some of them are actually good, but the vast majority should not be working in the field. Ugh.
Title: Re: White man's dominance has come to an end
Post by: Angantyr on June 27, 2016, 01:13:57 pm
Can't believe you can sit and type this with a straight face, guess you're more of a troll than Lehma for opening this topic.
It's mostly just hyperbole like the rest of this thread. There's a lot very specific fields where the Asian countries do not make it to the top ten, though, like physics: https://www.timeshighereducation.com/news/top-nations-in-physics/410295.article
However, there's of course a lot of innovation from the The Four Asian Tigers and Japan, mostly within the framework of western post-colonialism. With China pretty far behind, yet.
If you look at intellectual properties Asian countries are well-represented: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Intellectual_Property_Indicators
Of course, determining these things is by no means straightforward analysis due to a multitude of determinants. The often-cited Bloomberg Rankings uses seven different factors; R&D Intensity, Productivity, High-Tech Density, Researcher Concentration, Manufacturing Capability, Tertiary Efficiency and Patent Activity. Article: http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-01-22/in-global-innovation-race-taiwan-is-tops-in-patents-israel-leads-in-r-d.html Full report: http://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2015-innovative-countries/
Top 20 according to Bloomberg:
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South Korea Japan Germany Finland Israel United States Sweden Singapore France United Kingdom Denmark Canada Australia Russia Norway Switzerland Austria New Zealand Belgium Netherlands
The World Economic Forum has also made a report (http://www.businessinsider.com/world-economic-forum-most-innovative-countries-2015-10?r=US&IR=T&IR=T), using the data differently. It looks something like this:
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Switzerland Finland Israel United States Japan Germany Sweden Netherlands Singapore Denmark Taiwan United Kingdom
Another report the 'Global Innovation Index 2015' have ranked countries individually according to how well they perform on various indicators of innovation: https://www.globalinnovationindex.org/userfiles/file/reportpdf/gii-full-report-2015-v6.pdf
Whereas, the newer 'Contributors and Detractors: Ranking Countries’ Impact on Global Innovation', has assessed 56 countries which together account for about 90% of the global economy examining indicators ranging from research and development, to technology, human capital, tax policy, trade barriers and intellectual property protections. Countries are then scored for their contributions, their detractions and their overall impact on global innovation. http://www2.itif.org/2016-contributors-and-detractors.pdf?_ga=1.199951271.840506637.1467019724
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Finland, Sweden and the United Kingdom are the countries whose policies do the most on a per-capita basis to support global innovation — and the least to detract from it.
India, Indonesia and Argentina meanwhile score weakest overall, fielding an above-average number of policies that detract from global innovation (e.g., high tariffs, weak IP protections, forced localization policies).
The United States ranks 10th-highest in its overall impact on global innovation. Its policies are sixth-best at not detracting, but only 17th-best in their positive contribution.
This is due to the U.S. government’s relative underinvestment in R&D as a share of the country’s GDP, weak innovation-incenting tax policies, as well as a middling performance in human capital.
In addition, while the United States likely contributes the most to global innovation in absolute terms, it ranks lower on a per-capita basis.
South Korea, one of several countries identified as “Advanced Asian Tigers,” along with Japan and Taiwan, was unique in fielding a combination of strong innovation-supporting policies (e.g., the world’s second-highest investment in R&D as a share of GDP), but also an above-average number of harmful policies.
Title: Re: White man's dominance has come to an end
Post by: Prpavi on June 27, 2016, 01:28:52 pm
So basically modern asian countries do really well while others lag far behind, sounds allot like Europe, if you said India or except four tigers then I would have agreed, but as a whole asia still contributes allot if nothing just by mere numbers in their developed countries.
As for their education model it is different and far more competitive, but such competition does enchourage innovation and talented individuals contribute allot while other just become suit men.
Title: Re: White man's dominance has come to an end
Post by: Gurgumul on June 27, 2016, 02:00:31 pm
As for their education model it is different and far more competitive, but such competition does enchourage innovation and talented individuals contribute allot while other just become suit men.
And a lot of them become NEETs living off their parents. Combine this rat race with easy entertainment in the form of chinese cartoons, computer games, and other stuff that you can lose yourself in, and you get hikikomori. There's a strong pressure on "working for the society's good", but if society doesn't give a fuck about you, then why should you? Why bother with dreams and responsible jobs when all it takes to make you happy is internet and enough food to survive. The difference between the current and previous generations not just in Asia, but in most of developed countries is that back then there were plenty of "middle ground" jobs. All of these were satisfying enough and done at a steady pace, you could be taught carpentry by your parent for example, and everyone would be perfectly fine with it. Nowadays everyone wants you to become the next Superman. You work your ass off in school and then undergo the masochism of university, then you might have a chance to get a decent job (provided you have connections of course). If not - you get some shitty filler job like call center or other sit at computer bullshit. A job that doesn't really serve any purpose, it's there to keep people busy buying and selling useless shit so that our overlords and slave masters can bathe in gold.
Title: Re: White man's dominance has come to an end
Post by: Prpavi on June 27, 2016, 02:28:53 pm
Carpentry is awesome
Title: Re: White man's dominance has come to an end
Post by: Gurgumul on June 27, 2016, 02:32:35 pm
It's from some American neo-chocolate chip cookie. I thought it accomodated well Leshma's intention with this thread.
Title: Re: White man's dominance has come to an end
Post by: Kafein on June 28, 2016, 05:01:56 pm
Neo-chocolate is one of my favorite snacks.
Also Angantyr, innovation is a very tough thing to measure. Number of patents filed is almost entirely bogus, the economic value of each patent is difficult to evaluate (usually done by looking at litigation efforts), R&D intensity includes things that are in no way innovation and is also wrongly reported. Besides, innovation in fundamental research is only the first step, technological penetration (giggity) is another thing entirely, often resisted. The sharing economy is a great example of how a better way to generate value is met with extremely violent resistance from those who stand to lose from it. To evaluate whether a society is innovative, you have to also look at how it embraces new technology.
Title: Re: White man's dominance has come to an end
Post by: Leshma on June 28, 2016, 05:23:37 pm
It's from some American neo-chocolate chip cookie. I thought it accomodated well Leshma's intention with this thread.
My intentions are never that clear and have multiple tentacles going in different directions, just like my thought process. Don't try to understand what doesn't make sense.
Title: Re: White man's dominance has come to an end
Post by: Pycalka on June 28, 2016, 11:59:25 pm
hahaha guys white people really sucked and self-destruct. Not played crpg couple of years, and today went on EU_1 under the name "White_Power" and a couple of minutes I kicked by the administrator with the requirement to change the nickname, I said that this is a normal nickname, but he repeatedly kicked me :cry:) lol)) This shitty political correctness sucks, annoys me everything which is associated with the Communists and Stalin because they fucked my country, but that is no reason to kick nicknames "Communist", "Stalin", etc. However if I picked up the nickname "albert einstein", "chocolate chip cookie" or "WhitePower", then I would have immediately kicked or even banned.But I play COD4 under the name "white_power" for a year and I was never banned even on euro and asian servers.White people have forbidden themselves to be nationalists, but others are not, so if you do not start to take pride in your nation white race simply will die , other races are proud of themselves and tend to multiply, the white is not. And the situation with refugees has only two ways, either white expel them, or dissolve and assimilate among Muslims and blacks, completely lose their culture.I do not know what you guys think, I have traveled in North and South America and Europe , but only Europeans are afraid of non-white, I saw this animal fear in his eyes and I was very surprised, Russia is full of Muslims, but we do not have a problem with them because we live together for centuries, and we dont fear them, only dislike or neutral.All problems between Muslims and the Russians created by our government makes unrussian migration policy in order to distract us from the major issues, such as corruption, embezzlement of budget and natural resources, but we have no fear in contrast to Western Europeans to migrants.Mentally we Won, and Europeans fear having already lost, with fear you do not even join the battle, even if the battle of brains, not machines.Sorry for translated english :oops: I was too lazy to whrite this on english
hahha even on this forum, name of fuhrer and white nationalists auto changed
Title: Re: White man's dominance has come to an end
Post by: Xant on June 29, 2016, 12:12:23 am
A riveting tale, old chap.
Title: Re: White man's dominance has come to an end
Post by: Gurgumul on June 29, 2016, 01:09:38 am
go to sleep and take Mighty ((Staffmaster(rip (you)) with you
Title: Re: White man's dominance has come to an end
Post by: Paul on June 29, 2016, 08:13:28 am
My intentions are never that clear and have multiple tentacles going in different directions, just like my thought process. Don't try to understand what doesn't make sense.
Yesterday I was about to write something like that, albeit in a less civil tone. Didn't get through my filter though.
Title: Re: White man's dominance has come to an end
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Title: Re: White man's dominance has come to an end
Post by: Gurgumul on June 29, 2016, 12:47:33 pm
Yesterday I was about to write something like that, albeit in a less civil tone. Didn't get through my filter though.
I'm not surprised. Brits would never leave if you Krauts were capable of presenting your opinion without shouting.
Title: Re: White man's dominance has come to an end
Post by: SixThumbs on June 30, 2016, 12:20:56 am
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"Why do the vast majority of economists believe in free trade? Because they learned in school that it's more efficient, in the first instance, to try to produce as much wealth as possible by relying on free and competitive markets to maximize everyone's comparative advantage. Even if that means, in the second instance, equitably redistributing the gains, through transparent taxes and transfers within each country. That's what economists learn at school: efficient redistribution is tax redistribution; markets and prices must be left to do their work, by having as few distortions as possible (this is the famous "free and undistorted competition")," even if that means redistribution later, "in the second instance".