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cRPG => Ban/Unban Requests => NA (Official) => Topic started by: Dr_Device on April 15, 2016, 06:21:10 am

Title: Unban everyone banned in Northern Empire v. BRD strat fight
Post by: Dr_Device on April 15, 2016, 06:21:10 am

Skipping the usual ban thread format because this is a very unusual case. I don't have a list for everyone banned but I'm sure Desire made a list to keep track of her kill count lol.

Personally, throwing around racial epithets and joining in on general chat stupidity isn't my cup of tea, but I do prefer it when c-RPG actually has players.

Title: Re: Unban everyone banned in Northern Empire v. BRD strat fight
Post by: Nightingale on April 15, 2016, 10:05:42 am

1-year ban threshold: (1/12th of the actual ban time) 30 days

GORKTHEGOBBLINGROGGUZZLER: No recent ban activity: 30 days ban for participation in mob-like behavior at highest warning level.

ChesterOtab: No recent ban activity: 30-day ban for participation in mob-like behavior at highest warning level.

Duckles: No recent ban activity: 30-day ban for participation in mob-like behavior at highest warning level.

iK_KbW_FFC_Longsword_TVF_MB: No recent ban activity: 30-day ban for participation in mob-like behavior at highest warning level.

Sorcerer_Tholamin: 2 recent bans on record (no repeating offenses) 1 day for recent ban activity and 30 days for participation in mob-like behavior at highest warning level.

GENERAL_PIBB: No recent ban activity: 30-day ban for participation in mob-like behavior at highest warning level.

Occitan_Athenoune_FireBlood: No recent ban activity: 30-day ban for participation in mob-like behavior at highest warning level.

_Dovahkiin_: 2 recent bans (no repeating offenses) 1 day for recent activity: 30 days for participation in mob-like behavior at highest warning level.

Dracul_Pike_Apprentice: No recent ban activity: currently an admin. 30 day  ban for participation in mob-like behavior at highest warning level.

3 Months warning level: (1/6th ban time)

Larry_The_Magical_Cheetah: No recent ban activity. 15 day ban for participation in mob-like behavior at high warning level.

McMasshole: 15 recent bans on record: 180 hours, 4 repeating offenses, 4 days. on top of 15 days for participation in mob-like behavior at high warning level. Total ban time: 26 days and 12 hours. Conditional Statement regarding your next ban; 15 RECENT bans is ridiculous if you break the rules in the next 4 months after your ban expires you will receive a 53-day ban.

Occitan_Cicero: No recent ban activity. 15 day ban for participation in mob-like behavior at high warning level.

30-day warning level: (⅓ ban time) 10 days.

Cikel_of_Frisia: 3 recent bans on record 24 hours: 1 repeating offense, 1 day on top of a 10-day ban for participation in mob-like behavior at medium warning level.

7-day warning level (3 days)

HI_BILLY_MAYS_HERE: 1 recent ban on record: no repeating offenses 12 hours, 3 days for participation in mob-like behavior at low warning level.

HoC_Largos: No recent ban activity: 3-day ban for participation in mob-like behavior at low warning level.

Mercer_BRD: No recent ban activity: 3-day ban for participation in mob-like behavior at low warning level.

Blackzilla_FIDLGB: No recent ban activity: 3-day ban for participation in mob-like behavior at low warning level.

Minor infractions: 1 day ban time

sJimmy: No recent ban activity: 1-day ban for a minor infraction during mob like behavior.

Sir_Spacy: No recent ban activity: 1-day ban for a minor infraction during mob like behavior.


Logs can and will be provided if requested.

People that were banned above or below medium warning level with no ban record can apply for unban at any time. People that were banned higher than the medium warning level can apply for unban after 2/3rd of the duration of the full ban.

Any reasonable questions will be answered

Title: Re: Unban everyone banned in Northern Empire v. BRD strat fight
Post by: Sandersson Jankins on April 15, 2016, 10:13:44 am

Quote from: Nightingale on April 15, 2016, 10:05:42 am

1-year ban threshold: (1/12th of the actual ban time) 30 days
Dracul_Pike_Apprentice: No recent ban activity: currently an admin. 30 day  ban for participation in mob-like behavior at highest warning level.

Fucking lol, dude.

I would like to sincerely apologize for the traumatic damage inflicted upon your feelings, your virgin eyes/ears, and your mental well-being. I was one of the first to say the dreaded word

WARNING TRIGGER WARNING TRIGGER WARNING A RACIAL EPITHET IS ABOUT TO BE MENTIONED YE OF WEAK CONSTITUTION BEWARE TRIGGER WARNING TRIGGER WARNING

"friend", and I would have gladly said it in solidarity against unnecessary admin action if I wasn't muted.  Not to mention the nasty things I sent to you in admin chat in an attempt to get banned regarding likely present or future transgender status.

Go ahead and give me the axe. After all, I wholly deserve it for significantly harming the mental health of those that experience uncontrollable negative emotion upon being exposed to certain combinations of letters.

Make it a 30 day if you would, Gork hasn't played more like 100 hours of cRPG total and more or less ONLY when we beg/plead/prod/coerce him to over no less than 4 years. He got a month, I need at least that.

Cheers, Desire. Keep it up, if you've got anyone left to police. Don't be afraid to take drastic action next time your feelings are wounded.

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You've finally received power in one small (or large, unfortunately) part of your life. I sure hope that you've garnered enough enjoyment out of it to last a while. I don't reckon that it'll mean as much to you as it did in the past when your biggest gig is now policing 10v10 strat battles

Title: Re: Unban everyone banned in Northern Empire v. BRD strat fight
Post by: Deltah on April 15, 2016, 10:19:49 am

"Dracul_Pike_Apprentice: No recent ban activity: currently an admin. 30 day  ban for participation in mob-like behavior at highest warning level."

Uhhhhh............. Who approved this exactly? I really hope this is a joke. If not I'll be promptly leaving cRPG and taking Dracul with me.

Title: Re: Unban everyone banned in Northern Empire v. BRD strat fight
Post by: Nightingale on April 15, 2016, 10:24:49 am

Quote from: Sandersson Jankins on April 15, 2016, 10:13:44 am

I think it is cute that you think I was wounded by this in some way? I was simply enforcing the rules and you all decided to go off the deep end. People get punished for it that simple. When mutes clearly didn't work its time to ban.

For the record the only thing that pissed me off for a very brief amount of time. In any way was when Artyem violated the rules himself and he is supposed to be an admin. Hence why he has received full punishment like any other player that had decided to transgress the rules during that strategus battle.

If I was going to ban you I would have already in the strategus battle but your personal insults/ private chat to admins means literally nothing and has no effect nor is it against the rules.

Have a good night sandy.

Quote from: Deltah on April 15, 2016, 10:19:49 am

I approved of it temporarily waiting for a response from Dupre, Artyem agreed he deserved no special treatment for being an admin and has requested full duration of the punishment provided that he deserves.

Title: Re: Unban everyone banned in Northern Empire v. BRD strat fight
Post by: Switchtense on April 15, 2016, 10:32:08 am

Serious question here Desire- does writing anything in chat (Other than things like 'I will find you and kill you irl etc) justify any kind of ban?

Mute whoever offends you, as an admin you can even serverwide mute said person.

IF you are severely offended, you can always turn your own chat off.

Banning anyone in this already lightly populated mod because of writing friend in chat is over the top.


You may have been pissed off and we all know how annoying shit like that can be when that is the case.

But come on, please rethink that decision since this is killing this mod more than it already is the case.

EDIT: By that I mean whoever feels offended can mute the chat or each individual. Not necessarily an admin.

Title: Re: Unban everyone banned in Northern Empire v. BRD strat fight
Post by: Nightingale on April 15, 2016, 10:40:29 am

Quote from: Switchtense on April 15, 2016, 10:32:08 am

Again, I was not offended at any point in time during the duration of the incident. The only thing that pissed me off briefly was when Artyem broke the very rules I was trying to enforce.

I have never been offended by anything anyone has said in chat. Never muted anyone except server mutes for breaking the rules. I've also never turned my chat off.

Title: Re: Unban everyone banned in Northern Empire v. BRD strat fight
Post by: Vovka on April 15, 2016, 10:48:38 am

admin path of development in с-rpg:
- admin serve the people
- good admin
- admin
- badmin
- dont piss me off iam only one god here

Title: Re: Unban everyone banned in Northern Empire v. BRD strat fight
Post by: Rando on April 15, 2016, 10:54:09 am

For one, HI_BILLY_MAYS_HERE's message went through at the EXACT same time your "muh 7 day ban" message was sent. I was only able to see it after I sent my message, not that I mind being in solidarity with the rest of the folks banned here.

For two, banning people when a mute solves the problem in an already almost dead mod is bad logic.

Title: Re: Unban everyone banned in Northern Empire v. BRD strat fight
Post by: Nightingale on April 15, 2016, 11:00:24 am

Quote from: Rand0 on April 15, 2016, 10:54:09 am

Clearly you've never witnessed how effective mutes are.

You were not banned for the first offense - you said something later on that warranted ban in the context of the situation.

Title: Re: Unban everyone banned in Northern Empire v. BRD strat fight
Post by: Rando on April 15, 2016, 11:04:26 am

Quote from: Nightingale on April 15, 2016, 11:00:24 am

Clearly you've never witnessed how effective mutes are.

You were not banned for the first offense - you said something later on that warranted ban in the context of the situation.

Which is what?

And muting them would've been better than preventing them from playing the game in this mod which struggles so much to have a solid amount of players. Doesn't the preservation of the mod come before one silly rule about 'chat abuse' (Players can turn chat off, by the way).

Title: Re: Unban everyone banned in Northern Empire v. BRD strat fight
Post by: Tristan_of_Erzoth on April 15, 2016, 11:14:15 am

rethink this desire. this is bullshit. 19 players. This will literally kill the mod. Dont let it end like this.

Title: Re: Unban everyone banned in Northern Empire v. BRD strat fight
Post by: Nightingale on April 15, 2016, 11:54:45 am

Quote from: Tristan_of_Erzoth on April 15, 2016, 11:14:15 am

I can't reward players for breaking the rules that isn't how things work.

You all put me in an impossible situation, that left no real choices to work with. I don't know exactly what you all expected to happen here?

This is the deal though. Everyone that was involved in this gets a 2-day ban with the exception of Mcdeath due to his extensive ban history

The catch is though if anything like this happens again in the future they will wipe your characters to anyone that decides to get involved.

In 2 days time I will lift the bans on everyone then Mcdeath whenever on an undecided date.

Good-luck.

Title: Re: Unban everyone banned in Northern Empire v. BRD strat fight
Post by: Torben on April 15, 2016, 12:10:53 pm

I applaud you for having a hard stance on serious issues nightingale. however:  internet + game = cmon :D

its questionable that bans are the right answer to chat abuse.  I postulate that common sense is above any strict rule,  and would suggest that chat abuse is not a reason to ban, because the motives of the offenders are not in line with the ban reason.

Title: Re: Unban everyone banned in Northern Empire v. BRD strat fight
Post by: Paul on April 15, 2016, 12:26:44 pm

What an interesting case of mass idiocy.

_{bunch of NAggers}

Title: Re: Unban everyone banned in Northern Empire v. BRD strat fight
Post by: Artyem on April 15, 2016, 12:39:07 pm

I handled a lot of this privately, but I'll make a public statement to all 50 people who still play the game.

Basically, I muted Firebus who was getting a bit angsty in chat and dropped the n-bomb once or twice, which naturally caused McDeath to join in, so I muted him too.  More people joined in and Desire started banning people, and dropping huge warning and bans on people who kept it up.  Predictably, this started a wildfire that could only be contained, but not extinguished.  Anybody who's experienced this before (because it happens at least once a month) knows that more admin action = more people getting in on the meme.  This is where Desire and I differ, because I personally would have handled the situation in a much different manner.

I made an inappropriate comment in-game(specifically after somebody asked "what's the word that gets you permabanned again?"), mainly because I had already watched a dozen people get banned for absurd amounts of time for committing the same offense.  Probably not the best course of action, but joining in and voicing my support for the people getting wrongfully banned seemed like the least drastic option available.

So you can call it a lapse of judgement if you want.  I'll take the ban with no problem, it's my first one in 6 years of playing cRPG.  What I won't do, is condone the act of banning such a large number of active players from our already small player base.  Especially over an offense that typically warrants a mute, if any admin action at all.  Players have access to a mute function for a reason.

Quote from: Nightingale on April 15, 2016, 11:54:45 am

catch is though if anything like this happens again in the future they will wipe your characters to anyone that decides to get involved.

Well, if the mod wasn't dead / dying already, it certainly is now.

Title: Re: Unban everyone banned in Northern Empire v. BRD strat fight
Post by: Dr_Device on April 15, 2016, 02:21:02 pm

Quote from: Nightingale on April 15, 2016, 11:54:45 am

This is the deal though. Everyone that was involved in this gets a 2-day ban with the exception of Mcdeath due to his extensive ban history

The catch is though if anything like this happens again in the future they will wipe your characters to anyone that decides to get involved.

Thank you for compromising at least. I still don't agree with banning 19 active players, even for two days, because I don't think aggravating this mod's already bleeding community is the smart move for securing its continued existence. That said, I can understand an admin wanting to stop people spamming "friend" in chat, and two days is a hell of a lot better than what they were looking at before.

Title: Re: Unban everyone banned in Northern Empire v. BRD strat fight
Post by: Bronto on April 15, 2016, 02:26:00 pm

As an admin, I strongly feel the punishment doesn't fit the crime. Chat abuse is such a broad topic and people saying the n-word, just straight up typing it, unless someone complains in I-Chat, what're you gonna do? It's the internet. As long as it's not directed at someone or used in a completely racist statement/sentiment, is it really worth banning over? I don't think so. The mod has so few people as it is, you've got to be slightly more lenient especially when it comes to words people type. I think lessening it to two days is more in line with what I was thinking. Even though I probably just would've kicked for an hour and made them miss that sweet strat xp.

On the flip side of this, you nerds saw people getting banned but had to be so fucking edgy and go to the extreme. Typical internet heroes. I thought more of you all until this happened. Now I see you are sheep easily guided by the one that bleats the loudest. RIP and enjoy your bans.

Title: Re: Unban everyone banned in Northern Empire v. BRD strat fight
Post by: hellou on April 15, 2016, 03:28:08 pm

Blacks got no oscar this year, lets ban everyone who said the n-word   :idea: :lol:

Title: Re: Unban everyone banned in Northern Empire v. BRD strat fight
Post by: mcdeath on April 15, 2016, 05:10:10 pm

Quote from: Nightingale on April 15, 2016, 10:05:42 am

McMasshole: 15 recent bans on record: 180 hours, 4 repeating offenses, 4 days. on top of 15 days for participation in mob-like behavior at high warning level. Total ban time: 26 days and 12 hours. Conditional Statement regarding your next ban; 15 RECENT bans is ridiculous if you break the rules in the next 4 months after your ban expires you will receive a 53-day ban.

26.5 day ban? You pussy, real men round up.

Title: Re: Unban everyone banned in Northern Empire v. BRD strat fight
Post by: stickher on April 15, 2016, 06:35:01 pm

How many people actually came forward and said i dont like the crpg community anymore for trolling the n word? OR said i dont want to play because people saying bad words?

im thinking 0

actually odds are BY bannning people THEY are more unlikely to come back to crpg THAN the people who see the n word being dropped.

i personally dont care if you ban me for a year at this rate. the mod is practically dead

Title: Re: Unban everyone banned in Northern Empire v. BRD strat fight
Post by: Switchtense on April 15, 2016, 06:41:28 pm

I think that rule should be scratched.

Admins ought to enforce the rules, so even if the length of those bans was too long in my opinion, it is the fault of whoever did not scratch it yet.

It might have been reasonable when there were more people, but nowadays everyone of us does not care much. And those 1 or 2 people can mute the individual offending them.

Title: Re: Unban everyone banned in Northern Empire v. BRD strat fight
Post by: Westwood on April 15, 2016, 06:44:39 pm

Uh, McDeath has Tourette syndrome.

It would be nice if we as a community could accept him for who he is.

Title: Re: Unban everyone banned in Northern Empire v. BRD strat fight
Post by: Butan on April 15, 2016, 07:08:31 pm

Couldnt we use the impersonation rules on verbal offense? Namely, need someone to complain about it before taking action. As stickher said I dont think many in our small community are afraid of words nor are downright bigots, those that are are properly cared for by the admins.

I was not here so maybe someone did complain about it, then admin stepped up, but if not I feel this situation is a just unnecessary mess and will damage NA community.
Good call that the bans were lowered, the initial duration was pretty crazy whether or not you take into account "past ban history".

Title: Re: Unban everyone banned in Northern Empire v. BRD strat fight
Post by: Renay on April 15, 2016, 07:23:03 pm

Against my better judgement I will leave a comment in this thread.

Did you guys ever stop to think that your bans are not because you used the N-word? You blatantly provoked and ignored an admin who told you not to use that word anymore. Of course non of us really give a fuck about the word being used. I highly doubt that Desire even cares. She saw a breaking of the rules and told you guys to stop using it. I wasn't there, maybe she banned the first guy without warning, maybe not. The rest of the bans happened because you guys had no respect for the authority of this mod and quite honestly, you got off easy with a 2 day ban for everyone. Desire was just doing her job and you guys provoked her into banning you all. Admins are just players like us, they don't undergo special training to strengthen their minds against disrespectful behavior towards them. You pushed her and you got what you probably expected to get. Using the "mod is ded" argument does not justify breaking the rules.

Edit: wow, look what happens when you write "mod is ded" with dead  :lol:

Title: Re: Unban everyone banned in Northern Empire v. BRD strat fight
Post by: MURDERTRON on April 15, 2016, 07:43:37 pm

I can only imagine the conversations over Thanksgiving dinner.

Uncle Bob: So Desire, I hear you are the head admin of a video game, that sounds like a big responsibility.
Desire: Yea, I guess so, it's not so bad.
Uncle Bob: What type of game is it?  I think your mom said it was medieval or something.
Desire: Well, Bob, it's mostly a game about saying "friend" as many times as you can and trying to get away with it, the medieval part is secondary.

Title: Re: Unban everyone banned in Northern Empire v. BRD strat fight
Post by: Dupre on April 15, 2016, 07:46:06 pm

Quote from: Renay on April 15, 2016, 07:23:03 pm

Against my better judgement I will leave a comment in this thread.

Did you guys ever stop to think that your bans are not because you used the N-word? You blatantly provoked and ignored an admin who told you not to use that word anymore. Of course non of us really give a fuck about the word being used. I highly doubt that Desire even cares. She saw a breaking of the rules and told you guys to stop using it. I wasn't there, maybe she banned the first guy without warning, maybe not. The rest of the bans happened because you guys had no respect for the authority of this mod and quite honestly, you got off easy with a 2 day ban for everyone. Desire was just doing her job and you guys provoked her into banning you all. Admins are just players like us, they don't undergo special training to strengthen their minds against disrespectful behavior towards them. You pushed her and you got what you probably expected to get. Using the "mod is ded" argument does not justify breaking the rules.

Edit: wow, look what happens when you write "mod is ded" with dead  :lol:

Finally someone understands!

So 29 lines of the n word found in logs.... Must of been a busy day at work for the trolls.

I also approve of Nightingle's next punishment.


Logs

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[20:36:45] chat,,Sir_Firebus,team,fuck you friends I was first place kill yourselves haven't played in months and better than all of you
[20:37:24] chat,,McMasshole,team,you can't say friend
[20:37:54] chat,,Sandy_Steaming_Pile_of_Shit,team,lol firebus only started saying friend after we did anyway
[20:38:28] chat,,Cikel_of_Frisia,team,friend
[20:38:37] chat,,HI_BILLY_MAYS_HERE,team,I don't get on this game and play for 12 hours every day to see players saying the word friend. Do your jobs, admins!
[20:38:42] msg,[PLAYER2ADMIN][Sandy_Steaming_Pile_of_Shit] friend
[20:39:24] chat,,Mercer_BRD,team,friend
[20:40:21] msg,[COMMANDER2TEAM][McMasshole] some admin muted me for saying friend
[20:42:56] chat,,Cikel_of_Frisia,team,hey desire you are a FUCKING friend
[20:43:14] chat,,Cikel_of_Frisia,team,fuck you friend
[20:43:49] chat,,Occitan_Cicero,team,friend
[20:44:05] chat,,McMasshole,team,STOP BANNING PEOPLE YOU FUCKING DUMB friend
[20:44:44] chat,,Larry_The_Magical_Cheetah,team,FUCKING RUN THIS friend IS CRAZY
[20:44:48] chat,,GORKTHEGOBBLINGROGGUZZLER,team,man this sure is a friendy way to handle this
[20:45:17] chat,,Larry_The_Magical_Cheetah,team,getting friended out right now
[20:45:19] msg,[PLAYER2ADMIN][Sandy_Steaming_Pile_of_Shit] friend
[20:45:28] chat,,GORKTHEGOBBLINGROGGUZZLER,team,oh sweet I got away with saying friend :D I am special
[20:45:55] chat,,ChesterOtab,team,#dontsayfriend
[20:46:03] chat,,GORKTHEGOBBLINGROGGUZZLER,team,friend?
[20:48:05] chat,,Dracul_Pike_Apprentice,team,friend
[20:50:05] msg,[PLAYER2ADMIN][Sandy_Steaming_Pile_of_Shit] have your feelings been insulated from the horrors of the word "friend"?
[20:50:52] chat,,_Dovahkiin_,team,hey sanderson wants to say friend but hes muted can an adimin fix it? thank you in advance
[20:50:54] chat,,Occitan_Athenoune_FireBlood,team,friend
[20:50:55] chat,,GENERAL_PIBB,team,friend
[20:50:57] chat,,Sorcerer_Tholamin,team,friend
[20:50:58] chat,,iK_KbW_FFC_Longsword_TVF_MB,team,friend
[20:51:10] chat,,Duckles,team,#freethefriend
[20:51:17] chat,,ChesterOtab,team,please dont say friend
[20:53:43] chat,,GORKTHEGOBBLINGROGGUZZLER,team,friend is an offensive term

Title: Re: Unban everyone banned in Northern Empire v. BRD strat fight
Post by: KaMiKaZe_JoE on April 15, 2016, 07:52:41 pm

Holy crap this is hilarious

Title: Re: Unban everyone banned in Northern Empire v. BRD strat fight
Post by: Oreo on April 15, 2016, 07:57:17 pm

Is it in the "Admin Rule Book" that you mute 2 people, then ramp it up to 7 days, then after that 30 days, then 3 months.. and then a year?

Just wondering.

Title: Re: Unban everyone banned in Northern Empire v. BRD strat fight
Post by: chesterotab on April 15, 2016, 08:06:09 pm

it's a damn shame i can't play 5 person NA crpg for a couple days. Justice has been served

Title: Re: Unban everyone banned in Northern Empire v. BRD strat fight
Post by: Jeade on April 16, 2016, 02:54:27 am

30 day bans for typing "friend" in chat is borderline retarded.
Ban for 3 days or so at most on a first offense for mob behavior. I'd push it to a week max if this were a common thing for certain players.

Desire, I urge you to severely reduce the ban times.
I do understand the frustration, but you have to balance out the consequences of banning half the mod's population for a month with the (relatively non-existent) consequences of people typing bad words in chat.

This is only going to cause the mod's dwindling population to drop further as a fair number of people were banned, and their friends may be less inclined to play without them, too.
Desire, Dupre, you both know better. Turn 'em around.