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Title: Gear dupe. Broken loot zystem in siege battles
Post by: Vovka on March 24, 2016, 04:53:09 am
Since even the most stupid among EU finally noticed that the system is broken time to raise this issue and make some preventive bans among those who abuse "raid" and "fief transfer".

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 This bug was reported to chadz and fix will be "soon".
 
While it is not fixed i ask faction don't use raid option. Also ask admins consider any raid battle as an attempt to Dupe and ban the attacker. Same for "Fief transfer" with equipment inside transfered fief.
During the strat 6 we (uif) checked almost all the raids/"fief transfers" on EU part of map and in most cases the number of crates that get the attaker does not exceed 400, so we believe that on the European side of the map there were no  attempts to Dupe (in large scale).
Title: Re: Gear dupe. Broken loot zystem in siege battles
Post by: GRANDMOM on March 24, 2016, 10:20:40 am
Since even the most stupid among EU finally noticed that the system is broken time to raise this issue and make some preventive bans among those who abuse "raid" and "fief transfer".

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 This bug was reported to chadz and fix will be "soon".
 
While it is not fixed i ask faction don't use raid option. Also ask admins consider any raid battle as an attempt to Dupe and ban the attacker. Same for "Fief transfer" with equipment inside transfered fief.
During the strat 6 we (uif) checked almost all the raids/"fief transfers" on EU part of map and in most cases the number of crates that get the attaker does not exceed 400, so we believe that on the European side of the map there were no  attempts to Dupe (in large scale).

There has been plenty of "fief transfers" though from what I have seen.....
Title: Re: Gear dupe. Broken loot zystem in siege battles
Post by: Oreo on March 24, 2016, 10:29:27 am
so thats why he keeps raiding Durrin....
Title: Re: Gear dupe. Broken loot zystem in siege battles
Post by: Vovka on March 24, 2016, 01:28:49 pm
There has been plenty of "fief transfers" though from what I have seen.....
on each our "fief transfer" i accept all players from the enemy fractions if such applications were so they can see if village is empty or not  :P
Almost all of your "fief transfer", we observed from the outside and checked the crates )) like this
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Title: Re: Gear dupe. Broken loot zystem in siege battles
Post by: the real god emperor on March 24, 2016, 02:12:39 pm
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Title: Re: Gear dupe. Broken loot zystem in siege battles
Post by: Renay on March 24, 2016, 02:29:14 pm
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I hereby declare war on Autisttilas Horde for obvious bug abusing.
Title: Re: Gear dupe. Broken loot zystem in siege battles
Post by: Butan on March 24, 2016, 02:43:22 pm
I dont see much battles in the archive that are "strange" though, so 99.9% of Strat is dupe free atm. I hope that the community will stay vigilant now that the bug is "out in the open" and diss any who tries that shit until its fixed.
Title: Re: Gear dupe. Broken loot zystem in siege battles
Post by: Nebun on March 24, 2016, 02:58:58 pm
I dont see much battles in the archive that are "strange" though, so 99.9% of Strat is dupe free atm. I hope that the community will stay vigilant now that the bug is "out in the open" and diss any who tries that shit until its fixed.

Every fief transfer, every raid! Check even ur allies plz.
If it happens by mistake force them to drop in neutral fief.
Title: Re: Gear dupe. Broken loot zystem in siege battles
Post by: GRANDMOM on March 24, 2016, 04:46:27 pm
on each our "fief transfer" i accept all players from the enemy fractions if such applications were so they can see if village is empty or not  :P
Almost all of your "fief transfer", we observed from the outside and checked the crates )) like this
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Im not even sure if I wanna know how you checked all our "fief transfers", and I am not exactly sure what the two images show, fallrach being heavely armed and having 50 crates and then fallrach being merely armed and having 300 crates - with one extra ticket.

Do u mean he attacked a village with 329 heavy armed men, having 50 crates - won the battle, lost no tickets, gained 250 crates and then lost his "heavy" and became only armed?
Title: Re: Gear dupe. Broken loot zystem in siege battles
Post by: Keshian on March 24, 2016, 05:45:34 pm
Since even the most stupid among EU finally noticed that the system is broken time to raise this issue and make some preventive bans among those who abuse "raid" and "fief transfer".


So for how many weeks did you know this and only finally posted after Americans posted in diplomacy?  No point in raising issue as long as the "stupid among Europeans" didn't know about it, but take advantage of it in the meanwhile.  Typical UIF!
Title: Re: Gear dupe. Broken loot zystem in siege battles
Post by: Vovka on March 24, 2016, 06:01:28 pm
So for how many weeks did you know this and only finally posted after Americans posted in diplomacy?  No point in raising issue as long as the "stupid among Europeans" didn't know about it, but take advantage of it in the meanwhile.  Typical UIF!
we report it to chadz on next day
Title: Re: Gear dupe. Broken loot zystem in siege battles
Post by: Vovka on March 24, 2016, 06:06:15 pm

Im not even sure if I wanna know how you checked all our "fief transfers", and I am not exactly sure what the two images show, fallrach being heavely armed and having 50 crates and then fallrach being merely armed and having 300 crates - with one extra ticket.

Do u mean he attacked a village with 329 heavy armed men, having 50 crates - won the battle, lost no tickets, gained 250 crates and then lost his "heavy" and became only armed?

he looted goods not equipment
army quality  calculated summary items weight (excluding those that are in crates) divided by the number of troops so then he get +1 troops the average weight decreased from "heavy" to "armed"
Title: Re: Gear dupe. Broken loot zystem in siege battles
Post by: GRANDMOM on March 24, 2016, 07:04:20 pm
he looted goods not equipment
army quality  calculated summary items weight (excluding those that are in crates) divided by the number of troops so then he get +1 troops the average weight decreased from "heavy" to "armed"

Yes, I am aware that the weight of the gear per soldier defines armament level (goods excluded). So, what was your original point? He has 50 crates and in the next image he had 250 crates - I dont follow vovka. Did he loot 200 crates from a "fief transfer" and in that case what battle are we talking about?

Cause I am quite sure I can trust Fallrach on this, he doesnt strike me as a guy that cheats

Title: Re: Gear dupe. Broken loot zystem in siege battles
Post by: imisshotmail on March 24, 2016, 07:09:51 pm
Yes, I am aware that the weight of the gear per soldier defines armament level (goods excluded). So, what was your original point? He has 50 crates and in the next image he had 250 crates - I dont follow vovka. Did he loot 200 crates from a "fief transfer" and in that case what battle are we talking about?

Cause I am quite sure I can trust Fallrach on this, he doesnt strike me as a guy that cheats

He's saying he didn't cheat because he only gained goods and not duped equipment. He just checked every fief transfer to make sure no cheats were happening (and didn't find any).
Title: Re: Gear dupe. Broken loot zystem in siege battles
Post by: Vovka on March 24, 2016, 07:25:20 pm
He's saying he didn't cheat because he only gained goods and not duped equipment. He just checked every fief transfer to make sure no cheats were happening (and didn't find any).
this
Title: Re: Gear dupe. Broken loot zystem in siege battles
Post by: GRANDMOM on March 24, 2016, 07:38:09 pm
this

Im sorry Vovka, missunderstood you - lets blame Fips for that one shall we?  8-)
Title: Re: Gear dupe. Broken loot zystem in siege battles
Post by: Harpag on March 24, 2016, 08:27:53 pm
So for how many weeks did you know this and only finally posted after Americans posted in diplomacy?  No point in raising issue as long as the "stupid among Europeans" didn't know about it, but take advantage of it in the meanwhile.  Typical UIF!

remove Grey tag bitch!
Title: Re: Gear dupe. Broken loot zystem in siege battles
Post by: Kalp on March 24, 2016, 08:42:59 pm
remove Grey tag bitch!
He can't. It's a eternal curse  :twisted:
Title: Re: Gear dupe. Broken loot zystem in siege battles
Post by: Keshian on March 25, 2016, 01:45:51 am
He's saying he didn't cheat because he only gained goods and not duped equipment. He just checked every fief transfer to make sure no cheats were happening (and didn't find any).

Is that how that UIF guy ended up with 30,000+ crates of goods?

Also, this looks completely legit:

http://c-rpg.net/index.php?page=strategusbattlesupcoming#!?page=strategusinfobattledetail&id=929 (http://c-rpg.net/index.php?page=strategusbattlesupcoming#!?page=strategusinfobattledetail&id=929)
Title: Re: Gear dupe. Broken loot zystem in siege battles
Post by: Nebun on March 25, 2016, 03:08:42 am
Is that how that UIF guy ended up with 30,000+ crates of goods?

Also, this looks completely legit:

http://c-rpg.net/index.php?page=strategusbattlesupcoming#!?page=strategusinfobattledetail&id=929 (http://c-rpg.net/index.php?page=strategusbattlesupcoming#!?page=strategusinfobattledetail&id=929)

It doesn't work when u attack players, it doesn't work with goods.
Would be nice if admins could check all fief transfers and raids.
Title: Re: Gear dupe. Broken loot zystem in siege battles
Post by: imisshotmail on March 25, 2016, 03:24:13 am
Kesh be fair, they reported the bug to chadz and kept an eye on other people to see if they were abusing it, that is probably better than announcing it on forums where everyone can see and do it.

UIF have the most players, and the most dedicated players who know how to play Strategus well, they don't need to dupe to beat out everyone else gold wise.
Title: Re: Gear dupe. Broken loot zystem in siege battles
Post by: Nebun on March 25, 2016, 01:19:12 pm
Kesh be fair, they reported the bug to chadz and kept an eye on other people to see if they were abusing it, that is probably better than announcing it on forums where everyone can see and do it.

UIF have the most players, and the most dedicated players who know how to play Strategus well, they don't need to dupe to beat out everyone else gold wise.

wow, u understand us
Title: Re: Gear dupe. Broken loot zystem in siege battles
Post by: Keshian on March 26, 2016, 01:11:29 am
remove Grey tag bitch!

You're welcome bitch!
Title: Re: Gear dupe. Broken loot zystem in siege battles
Post by: MURDERTRON on March 26, 2016, 03:05:57 am
Your welcome bitch!

You're.
Title: Re: Gear dupe. Broken loot zystem in siege battles
Post by: Keshian on March 26, 2016, 06:38:35 am
Can someone check this guys' crates before the battle?  Probably a lot of gear for a 1000 man army and its only been 1 day since switch to new faction name - way too early to do this based on afk.

http://c-rpg.net/index.php?page=strategusbattlesupcoming#!?page=strategusinfobattledetail&id=951 (http://c-rpg.net/index.php?page=strategusbattlesupcoming#!?page=strategusinfobattledetail&id=951)
Title: Re: Gear dupe. Broken loot zystem in siege battles
Post by: Noodlenrice on March 26, 2016, 08:33:22 am
Can someone check this guys' crates before the battle?  Probably a lot of gear for a 1000 man army and its only been 1 day since switch to new faction name - way too early to do this based on afk.

http://c-rpg.net/index.php?page=strategusbattlesupcoming#!?page=strategusinfobattledetail&id=951 (http://c-rpg.net/index.php?page=strategusbattlesupcoming#!?page=strategusinfobattledetail&id=951)
According to Arowaine, Ferguson is out of town for his job for almost another week or two. Not sure about the gear, I doubt it is much.
Title: Re: Gear dupe. Broken loot zystem in siege battles
Post by: Duster on March 26, 2016, 11:02:45 am
Can someone check this guys' crates before the battle?  Probably a lot of gear for a 1000 man army and its only been 1 day since switch to new faction name - way too early to do this based on afk.

http://c-rpg.net/index.php?page=strategusbattlesupcoming#!?page=strategusinfobattledetail&id=951 (http://c-rpg.net/index.php?page=strategusbattlesupcoming#!?page=strategusinfobattledetail&id=951)

You're awfully cavalier for someone taking full advantage of badplayer's duped gear.
Title: Re: Gear dupe. Broken loot zystem in siege battles
Post by: imisshotmail on March 26, 2016, 11:05:16 am
You're awfully cavalier for someone taking full advantage of badplayer's duped gear.
The only person with duped gear is Jaren, considering I won the raid and would have taken the gear either way since he was AFK with it in the fief and all troops converted into population. Instead of taking the gear and him having none, I took it and he still has it.

Not that it's his fault at all, and I think it's fine that he keeps it because i'd do the same, but i'm not the one with duped gear.
Title: Re: Gear dupe. Broken loot zystem in siege battles
Post by: Damatacus_ATS on April 07, 2016, 04:11:57 pm
Now BRD has attacked their own castle. They claim it is because of an AFK, but the result will be that they duplicate all of the gear in that castle. This type of activity should be off limits while the system is busted like this. Many of us already agreed not to engage in fief transfers but looks like BRD is doing it anyway. :mad:
Title: Re: Gear dupe. Broken loot zystem in siege battles
Post by: Renay on April 07, 2016, 04:15:15 pm
If he is truly afk, they have no other choice. An admin can check when his last activity was.
Title: Re: Gear dupe. Broken loot zystem in siege battles
Post by: Keshian on April 07, 2016, 06:49:44 pm
Now BRD has attacked their own castle. They claim it is because of an AFK, but the result will be that they duplicate all of the gear in that castle. This type of activity should be off limits while the system is busted like this. Many of us already agreed not to engage in fief transfers but looks like BRD is doing it anyway. :mad:

According to Arowaine, Ferguson is out of town for his job for almost another week or two.

Lol, you realize your faction had to do the EXACT same thing a couple weeks ago when a village owner with 700 geared troops went afk for a week.  The guy is in the military and has been gone from steam for over a week tying up a bunch of our troops and gear.  We waited and waited, I told Dynamics assholes would accuse us of duping and we waited some more, but the guy has disappeared and we have no other choice.  But seriously of all the factions you should be last to talk when you guys were the last ones to have to do this.
Title: Re: Gear dupe. Broken loot zystem in siege battles
Post by: Damatacus_ATS on April 07, 2016, 09:18:16 pm
We were but that was before it came out that gear duping was an issue, and people since have said that we should stop fief transfers. I wasn't really even accusing anyway, the gear in the castle is getting duplicated, and I just said that was the result of doing a fief transfer.
Title: Re: Gear dupe. Broken loot zystem in siege battles
Post by: mcdeath on April 07, 2016, 10:25:27 pm
I just want to make sure I'm reading this right, you are justifying duping 3000 tickets of gear because you transferred a fief to someone you knew was in the military and now he isn't around which of course would be due to the fact that he is in the military. That really just raises an alarm in my head suggesting that you knew all along that he would eventually disappear and you could reap the benefits of a bug and play the we have no other option card.
Title: Re: Gear dupe. Broken loot zystem in siege battles
Post by: Saxton on April 07, 2016, 10:49:12 pm
Well, looks like its time to quit strat again, Kesh is spurting his normal bullshit "I'm right any other opinion is dumb"

Enjoy that gear bud, use it for some fun and don't camp your castles.
Title: Re: Gear dupe. Broken loot zystem in siege battles
Post by: traxits on April 08, 2016, 03:36:57 am
add CC to the gear dupe list, seeing as they just attacked their own village for a "transfer"

if you nerds manage to make fellow nerds hate you i can only imagine how much people hate you queers in real life
Title: Re: Gear dupe. Broken loot zystem in siege battles
Post by: Tristan_of_Erzoth on April 08, 2016, 06:22:37 am
add CC to the gear dupe list, seeing as they just attacked their own village for a "transfer"

if you nerds manage to make fellow nerds hate you i can only imagine how much people hate you queers in real life
some jabroni dropped troops in our village and i wanted to grab them up right quick(plus it has 130k silver in it). also despotate attacked all of frois fiefs in "fief transfers" so if you wanna throw stones make sure you arent in a glass house
Title: Re: Gear dupe. Broken loot zystem in siege battles
Post by: Sandersson Jankins on April 08, 2016, 10:23:38 am
As stated, there's an easy way moving forwards (including any existing battles yet to be fought) to prove that you arent abusing the gear dupe glitch.

There's no reason not to take screenshots that shows you arent doing it, makes you look like a swell guy, and lets us enjoy strat a little bit longer. The only reason not to is if you want other people to accuse you of that shit and start doing it themselves, and that's a dick move.

Ayuh.

I mean, you could pretty easily and convincingly falsify the screenshots if you're really looking to get away scot-free with duping gear.

Of course, the only real penalty is nerd-ire from your internet peers. I don't reckon anyone is getting a banning over this shit.

It ain't hard to screenshot the fief inventory before n' after and dispose of any duped gear by throwing it on an AFK fella. Nobody's obligated to do this, but at the cost of a few clicks and keystrokes, you'd be doing your part as a decent citizen.
Title: Re: Gear dupe. Broken loot zystem in siege battles
Post by: Saxton on April 08, 2016, 03:15:48 pm

I mean, you could pretty easily and convincingly falsify the screenshots if you're really looking to get away scot-free with duping gear.


Don't give these god-damned nerds any ideas! Soon there will be fief transfers all over the place!
Title: Re: Gear dupe. Broken loot zystem in siege battles
Post by: Jona on April 08, 2016, 04:16:26 pm
Yeah, the taking of screenshots before/after these sort of things should be made mandatory. If they're gonna try so hard as to falsify them, at least it'll make them do a little extra work (or we just give them a set time limit... no screenshots within 5 mins of the battle's end and you're toast, kiddo). Not to mention that all previous fief transfers are borderline sketchy/acceptable since they at least used the "well this guy is afk, sorry lads" excuse. The fact that Cassander signed up for his own fief transfer raises at least 10 red flags here. Like shit man, just transfer the fief the non-sketchy way since you're apparently active enough to do so, it isn't like he has any reason to not be sitting in that village right now, wasn't involved in any attacks that sent him to EU or anything of the sort. No excuse for why you both can't just be in the fief at the same time and change ownership.
Title: Re: Gear dupe. Broken loot zystem in siege battles
Post by: Butan on April 08, 2016, 04:31:00 pm
Just sell the duped gear, especially the medium to high end stuff. The shit AI stuff isnt going to make huge difference strategus wide, except provide minimum battle efficiency; which at that point of strategus, everyone should be at.
Title: Re: Gear dupe. Broken loot zystem in siege battles
Post by: Jona on April 08, 2016, 04:58:43 pm
Just sell the duped gear, especially the medium to high end stuff. The shit AI stuff isnt going to make huge difference strategus wide, except provide minimum battle efficiency; which at that point of strategus, everyone should be at.

Gotta sell the duped gear, buy new gear, sell that, rinse and repeat until your net profit (between you and the fief's tax income) is 0. Good luck getting anyone to do that though.
Title: Re: Gear dupe. Broken loot zystem in siege battles
Post by: Renay on April 08, 2016, 05:03:29 pm
I didn't sell the duped gear when I took Ulburban. We didn't sell the duped gear when we took the Acre fiefs. Acre didn't sell any duped gear when they took them back. Neither will anyone else. This bug just has to be removed ASAP, if you want fair gameplay.
Title: Re: Gear dupe. Broken loot zystem in siege battles
Post by: Tristan_of_Erzoth on April 08, 2016, 06:06:33 pm
Yeah, the taking of screenshots before/after these sort of things should be made mandatory. If they're gonna try so hard as to falsify them, at least it'll make them do a little extra work (or we just give them a set time limit... no screenshots within 5 mins of the battle's end and you're toast, kiddo). Not to mention that all previous fief transfers are borderline sketchy/acceptable since they at least used the "well this guy is afk, sorry lads" excuse. The fact that Cassander signed up for his own fief transfer raises at least 10 red flags here. Like shit man, just transfer the fief the non-sketchy way since you're apparently active enough to do so, it isn't like he has any reason to not be sitting in that village right now, wasn't involved in any attacks that sent him to EU or anything of the sort. No excuse for why you both can't just be in the fief at the same time and change ownership.
Cassander is busy running our somewhat not succesful blockade of Tilbaut Castle to be able to move all the way down here and back up. Plus he was in a battle at the time I attacked. Didn't HoC just have a bunch of fief transfers with BRD villages?
Title: Re: Gear dupe. Broken loot zystem in siege battles
Post by: Saxton on April 08, 2016, 06:34:24 pm
Cassander is busy running our somewhat not succesful blockade of Tilbaut Castle to be able to move all the way down here and back up. Plus he was in a battle at the time I attacked. Didn't HoC just have a bunch of fief transfers with BRD villages?

Damn son, your firing shots at everyone today ey

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Title: Re: Gear dupe. Broken loot zystem in siege battles
Post by: Jona on April 08, 2016, 06:45:13 pm
Cassander is busy running our somewhat not succesful blockade of Tilbaut Castle to be able to move all the way down here and back up. Plus he was in a battle at the time I attacked. Didn't HoC just have a bunch of fief transfers with BRD villages?

Yes, we were recently involved in fief transfers between two separate factions, one of which is fairly small and for one reason or another couldn't coordinate a time to meet up and transfer the village(s) over. We made sure that the fiefs were 100% emptied out prior to the transfers, i.e. there wasn't a standing garrison of 681 men, which would imply there being a good amount of  gear in there. No doubt I could call up whoever it was that attacked and get some screenshots showing that nothing was looted and post em here for yall to stare at for hours on end trying to find evidence of photoshopping.

The fact that "our man is in the field and can't return to his fief" is the absolute worst excuse for a forced fief transfer imaginable. It just shows that you're stretched too thin and poorly organized (not to mention that tilbaut to shitbin is not even that far of a journey). You've got something like 15+ members and 8 fiefs... I think you could figure something out so that your few fief owners never need to travel far.
Title: Re: Gear dupe. Broken loot zystem in siege battles
Post by: Tristan_of_Erzoth on April 08, 2016, 07:00:21 pm
majority of our members are just AFK troop farmers so our fief owners are the only guys active enough to be around the map getting ready to attack places. strange how that works out, active players who do things have fiefs and therefore arent at them all the time.
Title: Re: Gear dupe. Broken loot zystem in siege battles
Post by: njames89 on April 08, 2016, 07:02:41 pm
That rascal kesh up to his old tricks again... tsk tsk
Title: Re: Gear dupe. Broken loot zystem in siege battles
Post by: Jona on April 08, 2016, 07:45:40 pm
majority of our members are just AFK troop farmers so our fief owners are the only guys active enough to be around the map getting ready to attack places. strange how that works out, active players who do things have fiefs and therefore arent at them all the time.

Right, so poor management and organization.
Title: Re: Gear dupe. Broken loot zystem in siege battles
Post by: CrazyCracka420 on April 09, 2016, 01:04:35 am
Shit games are shit (still moving my strat guy for some ungodly reason).

If crpg pop being dead, and half rostered strat battles wasn't bad enough, strat is bugged to shit (like every round)