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Title: Guys... I am presenting you... *drumrolls* SNIPER CROSSBOW RETICULE AT 171 WPF
Post by: Dravic on May 28, 2011, 01:10:12 pm
Ok, here we go.

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MW Sniper Crossbow, 172 wpf. Didn't take screenshot of character stats window, but you have to believe.

Anyway:

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Sniper crossbow, 171 wpf. This time i took a screenshot:

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It is the only way to destroy the myth about sniper crossbow being less accurate than other crossbows.


Have fun!
Title: Re: Guys... I am presenting you... *drumrolls* SNIPER CROSSBOW RETICULE AT 171 WPF
Post by: ThePoopy on May 28, 2011, 01:14:59 pm
OMG NERF
Title: Re: Guys... I am presenting you... *drumrolls* SNIPER CROSSBOW RETICULE AT 171 WPF
Post by: Byrdi on May 28, 2011, 01:25:13 pm
Its not even super accurate :D
No need to nerf
Title: Re: Guys... I am presenting you... *drumrolls* SNIPER CROSSBOW RETICULE AT 171 WPF
Post by: Rhygar666 on May 28, 2011, 01:38:19 pm
you dont even need wpf to shoot fine, only nice for reloading time
Title: Re: Guys... I am presenting you... *drumrolls* SNIPER CROSSBOW RETICULE AT 171 WPF
Post by: Jacko on May 28, 2011, 01:42:38 pm
Okey..?
Title: Re: Guys... I am presenting you... *drumrolls* SNIPER CROSSBOW RETICULE AT 171 WPF
Post by: Gurnisson on May 28, 2011, 01:47:37 pm
I can kill a little myth about crossbows while we're at it. Some people seem to think that weight doesn't harm crossbowmen. Wrong. Look at this:
All screenshots are done with MW Arbalest and 180 WPF.

Studded Leather over mail (13,5), Helmet with Lamellar Guard (1,8), Mail Gauntlets (0,5) and Splinted Greaves over Mail (2)
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Same thing, zoomed
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Rawhide Coat (1), Woolen Cap (0), Leather Gloves (0) and Hunter Boots (0,3)
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Same thing, zoomed
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Edit:
Quote from: Rhygar666 on May 28, 2011, 01:38:19 pm
you dont even need wpf to shoot fine, only nice for reloading time

Yeah right..
Title: Re: Guys... I am presenting you... *drumrolls* SNIPER CROSSBOW RETICULE AT 171 WPF
Post by: ThePoopy on May 28, 2011, 02:30:26 pm
that is enough aim for headshots at 200 yard...
Title: Re: Guys... I am presenting you... *drumrolls* SNIPER CROSSBOW RETICULE AT 171 WPF
Post by: Gurnisson on May 28, 2011, 02:43:41 pm
Quote from: ThePoopy on May 28, 2011, 02:30:26 pm
that is enough aim for headshots at 200 yard...

Yes, it's a quite brilliant crosshair. I can snipe all right, but the crossbowman class is purely situational. I have 0 power strike, 12 body armor and a slow-ass reload. If I'm not left alone, do I have any chance at all?
Title: Re: Guys... I am presenting you... *drumrolls* SNIPER CROSSBOW RETICULE AT 171 WPF
Post by: Bulzur on May 28, 2011, 03:03:40 pm
How i wish my MW strongbow had this aim, and could hold it for 1.5 sec, and not only 0.5.  :(

Okay, you have it, i'll make an xbow character next gen ! (they're so more usefull than archers in tournaments imo)

And thanks for the feedback and the screenshots. Really nice eternal aim there.

Also, i HEARD that xbows, even if inaccurate, tend to hit in the middle of the crosshair pretty often, if you hold it for at least 2sec. Is it just a speculation or is it true that you have less "strange" hits than archers who shoot too late, for example ?
Title: Re: Guys... I am presenting you... *drumrolls* SNIPER CROSSBOW RETICULE AT 171 WPF
Post by: Varyag on May 28, 2011, 03:08:11 pm
I confrim Gurnisson post about xbow accuracy. The heavier armor you have, the worse is your aim.
This is not fair. Xbowmen are not archers and are supposed to wear heavy armor.
Title: Re: Guys... I am presenting you... *drumrolls* SNIPER CROSSBOW RETICULE AT 171 WPF
Post by: Gurnisson on May 28, 2011, 03:21:39 pm
Quote from: Bulzur on May 28, 2011, 03:03:40 pm
Also, i HEARD that xbows, even if inaccurate, tend to hit in the middle of the crosshair pretty often, if you hold it for at least 2sec. Is it just a speculation or is it true that you have less "strange" hits than archers who shoot too late, for example ?

Depends really. Masterwork one do it less though, but I've had my fair share of bolts draw to one side or the other of a guy's head during my time as a crossbowman. Also, feel free to join our little group of dedicated crossbowmen. You'll soon discover the downsides of being one though. Yes, the aim's very good when you don't drop points in melee capabilities, but there's a reason why a crossbowman needs their melee weapons more than archers. The reload time is a pain in the arse. You'll never be spamming head shots in the middle of your attack group, you'll scout the map for places you can be on your own, because that's where the crossbowmen are effective, at peace, in cover, a decent distance from the battle itself.
Title: Re: Guys... I am presenting you... *drumrolls* SNIPER CROSSBOW RETICULE AT 171 WPF
Post by: Bulzur on May 28, 2011, 03:37:34 pm
Yep, i know Gurnisson. I played an 1h/shield-xbow hybrid a while before, and didn't do too bad with it.
But the way it is now, playing an archer is playing a constant fear character, and i always get trumpled by cav. At least, with xbows, the time you take to reload can be spent effectively to look across you. Xbows don't have tunnel vision, contrary for mid archers, wich helps a lot.
And... i believe i can make cav fear me more if i use an xbow than a bow. I may be wrong though, we'll see that in the battle field. ;)

And also, i like having decent PS and wpf in melee for my archer, so doing a xbow seems a good choice for an hybrid range. Bit fed up of having ro tun with 8 athletics just to jump shoot at the guy following you. Even more since athletics seems less viable that it once was. I'll join the xbow/2h crowd next gen, definitely !
Title: Re: Guys... I am presenting you... *drumrolls* SNIPER CROSSBOW RETICULE AT 171 WPF
Post by: Seawied on May 28, 2011, 04:16:53 pm
My crossbow/shielder hybrid is currently more accurate than my archer character. Currently my shielder has 99 wpf in crossbows, and often wears plate. My archer has 130 wpf in bows,  and never wears more than nomad armor.

ATS_Native did a great post about this a few weeks ago, which for the most part was ignored, outlining these exact findings. Crossbows are much too accurate right now.
Title: Re: Guys... I am presenting you... *drumrolls* SNIPER CROSSBOW RETICULE AT 171 WPF
Post by: Gildiss on May 28, 2011, 05:24:11 pm
Quote from: Varyag on May 28, 2011, 03:08:11 pm
I confrim Gurnisson post about xbow accuracy. The heavier armor you have, the worse is your aim.
This is not fair. Xbowmen are not archers and are supposed to wear heavy armor.

Kiss my ass. The crossbows all do pierce damage and the reticule never shifts and can be held forever.
Wear lighter armor like every other ranged weapon user.

Deal with it.
Title: Re: Guys... I am presenting you... *drumrolls* SNIPER CROSSBOW RETICULE AT 171 WPF
Post by: Gorath on May 28, 2011, 05:56:36 pm
They also have less ammo, and take 3 weeks to reload each shot where you are stuck standing still with your ass in the air for raping.  The other ranged guys get to run and spin-jump like fairies.
So x-bowmen should get heavier armor
Quote from: Gildiss on May 28, 2011, 05:24:11 pm
Deal with it.
Title: Re: Guys... I am presenting you... *drumrolls* SNIPER CROSSBOW RETICULE AT 171 WPF
Post by: Tears of Destiny on May 28, 2011, 06:12:21 pm
Weebo and Dark Karma get insane scores with those crossbows and they wear much heavier armor then archers do, and don't have a problem defending in melee.

Crossbowmen also have tighter reticules then archers.

This is comparing apples with oranges.
Title: Re: Guys... I am presenting you... *drumrolls* SNIPER CROSSBOW RETICULE AT 171 WPF
Post by: AlbaTiger on May 28, 2011, 06:27:14 pm
I would take a comparative screenshot of how the throwing reticule looks at a similarly high wpf but sadly I can't get it to fit on the screen.
 :|
Title: Re: Guys... I am presenting you... *drumrolls* SNIPER CROSSBOW RETICULE AT 171 WPF
Post by: Tears of Destiny on May 28, 2011, 06:28:56 pm
Quote from: AlbaTiger on May 28, 2011, 06:27:14 pm
I would take a comparative screenshot of how the throwing reticule looks at a similarly high wpf but sadly I can't get it to fit on the screen.
 :|

+1 Rep
Title: Re: Guys... I am presenting you... *drumrolls* SNIPER CROSSBOW RETICULE AT 171 WPF
Post by: Rumblood on May 28, 2011, 11:06:04 pm
Quote from: Gorath on May 28, 2011, 05:56:36 pm
They also have less ammo, and take 3 weeks to reload each shot where you are stuck standing still with your ass in the air for raping.  The other ranged guys get to run and spin-jump like fairies.
So x-bowmen should get heavier armor

Regular crossbow loads just as fast as a warbow. While archers can move around, it does NOT take 3 weeks for the xbow to load. In addition, an archer doing a spin-jump will have their reticule go as wide as their screen, only useful for someone in your face. Just dispelling that myth.
Title: Re: Guys... I am presenting you... *drumrolls* SNIPER CROSSBOW RETICULE AT 171 WPF
Post by: Cheap_Shot on May 29, 2011, 08:16:18 am
Quote from: AlbaTiger on May 28, 2011, 06:27:14 pm
I would take a comparative screenshot of how the throwing reticule looks at a similarly high wpf but sadly I can't get it to fit on the screen.
 :|

I tried, but a horse rode though mine before I could and killed me. Lost control of my spear and it flew wild and killed 10 teammates.
Title: Re: Guys... I am presenting you... *drumrolls* SNIPER CROSSBOW RETICULE AT 171 WPF
Post by: Seawied on May 29, 2011, 08:24:41 am
Quote from: AlbaTiger on May 28, 2011, 06:27:14 pm
I would take a comparative screenshot of how the throwing reticule looks at a similarly high wpf but sadly I can't get it to fit on the screen.
 :|


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Title: Re: Guys... I am presenting you... *drumrolls* SNIPER CROSSBOW RETICULE AT 171 WPF
Post by: Glyph on May 29, 2011, 10:22:14 am
Quote from: Gorath on May 28, 2011, 05:56:36 pm
They also have less ammo, and take 3 weeks to reload each shot where you are stuck standing still with your ass in the air for raping.  The other ranged guys get to run and spin-jump like fairies.
So x-bowmen should get heavier armor
that they have less ammo isn't an issue because the reloading takes longer, and if you still think it has to less ammo get another stack or

suck your m...
DEAL WITH IT!!!