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Title: Social Justice Warriors
Post by: Leshma on November 29, 2015, 03:25:58 pm
I'm anti right wing and nationalism and extremism and everything that Oberyn and the likes of him preach but dear god, I can't stand SJWs. I literally want them transported to Syria so they end up caught by Daesh so they can use their social justice skills on them, persuading them what they are doing is bad. They would end up with their body-detached head on some stick near the dusty road.

What is your stance on this issue?
Title: Re: Social Justice Warriors
Post by: Uther Pendragon on November 29, 2015, 03:34:29 pm
What we call a SJW is not a person who wants social justice, but a person who wants attention. Ignore and move on. A flawed by-product of valuing one's opinion above facts and enforcing that viewpoint in younger people.
Title: Re: Social Justice Warriors
Post by: Xant on November 29, 2015, 03:38:12 pm
People are getting so fed up with the PCness and SJWs that Trump has a very real chance of winning in America. People who you'd never expect to vote for someone like Trump are going to vote for him, people who voted for Obama both times.
Title: Re: Social Justice Warriors
Post by: Kafein on November 29, 2015, 03:43:35 pm
It's merely the Marxist class struggle rhetoric with a new coat of paint. Intellectually disgusting.
Title: Re: Social Justice Warriors
Post by: LordBerenger on November 29, 2015, 06:33:52 pm
SJWs is to liberalism what the na.zis were to nationalism.

Except SJWs don't have plans to put people in death camps.....yet. Inb4 every white CIS gender rape-capable Male gets put inside concentration camps.
Title: Re: Social Justice Warriors
Post by: Sir_Hans on November 30, 2015, 03:11:37 am
Is anita sarkeesian a social justice warrior?

Man I hate that bitch...
Mostly because she makes money spouting that nonsense.  :D
Title: Re: Social Justice Warriors
Post by: Asheram on November 30, 2015, 03:35:02 am
what would Finley do?
Title: Re: Social Justice Warriors
Post by: Oberyn on November 30, 2015, 04:23:27 am
Congrats, that's exactly how I started my road  to "extremism", as you characterize it. Where do you think SJW's come from, exactly? You think the source is Tumblr and other internet circlejerking echo chambers? They are merely a symptom, one that is becoming more and more visible thanks to increasingly widespread worldwide communication. My extreme loathing for these people and their sacharine idiocy didn't come from some sort of nationalist indoctrination, quite the contrary. It came from constant exposure to them and their source in academia, the source of the disease that is killing western civilization, the suicidaly self-loathing crypto-marxists who poisoned western liberal thought beyond redemption. If you had any self-awareness you would realize SJW thoughts are just the logical end result of the "progressive", anti-nationalist, pro-globalization, so-called "humanist" ideology you still adhere to. You're no better than the "moderate" islamists making excuses and pretending the deeply imbedded pillars of your ideology are completely blameless for these embarassements, as if there were absolutely no connecting thread between them.
Title: Re: Social Justice Warriors
Post by: Asheram on November 30, 2015, 04:47:04 am
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Title: Re: Social Justice Warriors
Post by: Paul on November 30, 2015, 09:56:12 am
Does anyone else read out Oberyns posts loud from time to time, trying best to emulate his heavily accented, yet anger-driven voice?
Title: Re: Social Justice Warriors
Post by: Grytviken on November 30, 2015, 10:02:19 am
Title: Re: Social Justice Warriors
Post by: Grytviken on November 30, 2015, 10:37:31 am
I'm anti right wing and nationalism and extremism and everything that Oberyn and the likes of him preach but dear god, I can't stand SJWs. I literally want them transported to Syria so they end up caught by Daesh so they can use their social justice skills on them, persuading them what they are doing is bad. They would end up with their body-detached head on some stick near the dusty road.

What is your stance on this issue?

Idiots like you fuel the communist SJW machine with your blatant lies and conspiracy theories about Slobodan Milosevic being a CIA operative.
Title: Re: Social Justice Warriors
Post by: Prpavi on November 30, 2015, 11:06:01 am
internet opinions are just internet opinions
Title: Re: Social Justice Warriors
Post by: Leshma on November 30, 2015, 01:44:27 pm
Idiots like you fuel the communist SJW machine with your blatant lies and conspiracy theories about Slobodan Milosevic being a CIA operative.

You know, I'm kind of a dick person. But you probably realized that by now. If grown up person is susceptible to going into extremes, I'll gladly push towards it. Because, fuck him.

Conspiracy theories shit is me trolling you, but I'm not yet sure are you trolling us. Sure hope you do.
Title: Re: Social Justice Warriors
Post by: Butan on November 30, 2015, 02:06:11 pm
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SJW's goes way above politics/religions (GJ on inserting Islam in your post btw). Its more about a warped sense of justice that some people have been infused with, that is not compatible with the real world limitations/rules/laws. Basically SJW's are still not aware how the world works, they need teaching, and unfortunately, some people learn from the internet more than by real people. Since the internet is full of people in great need of a reality check, they tend to create self-reliant groups and evolve their bullshit ideology to increasingly moronic levels.

Its not only the humanists too, even extremists are born and bred on the internet. If you cant say what you're posting on the internet to 99% of the population without looking like a retard, there is a chance that its not the rest of the world being stubborn.
Title: Re: Social Justice Warriors
Post by: Xant on November 30, 2015, 03:19:49 pm
Congrats, that's exactly how I started my road  to "extremism", as you characterize it. Where do you think SJW's come from, exactly? You think the source is Tumblr and other internet circlejerking echo chambers? They are merely a symptom, one that is becoming more and more visible thanks to increasingly widespread worldwide communication. My extreme loathing for these people and their sacharine idiocy didn't come from some sort of nationalist indoctrination, quite the contrary. It came from constant exposure to them and their source in academia, the source of the disease that is killing western civilization, the suicidaly self-loathing crypto-marxists who poisoned western liberal thought beyond redemption. If you had any self-awareness you would realize SJW thoughts are just the logical end result of the "progressive", anti-nationalist, pro-globalization, so-called "humanist" ideology you still adhere to. You're no better than the "moderate" islamists making excuses and pretending the deeply imbedded pillars of your ideology are completely blameless for these embarassements, as if there were absolutely no connecting thread between them.
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Title: Re: Social Justice Warriors
Post by: Vibe on November 30, 2015, 03:21:00 pm
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Title: Re: Social Justice Warriors
Post by: Uther Pendragon on November 30, 2015, 10:24:41 pm
Congrats, that's exactly how I started my road  to "extremism", as you characterize it. Where do you think SJW's come from, exactly? You think the source is Tumblr and other internet circlejerking echo chambers? They are merely a symptom, one that is becoming more and more visible thanks to increasingly widespread worldwide communication. My extreme loathing for these people and their sacharine idiocy didn't come from some sort of nationalist indoctrination, quite the contrary. It came from constant exposure to them and their source in academia, the source of the disease that is killing western civilization, the suicidaly self-loathing crypto-marxists who poisoned western liberal thought beyond redemption. If you had any self-awareness you would realize SJW thoughts are just the logical end result of the "progressive", anti-nationalist, pro-globalization, so-called "humanist" ideology you still adhere to. You're no better than the "moderate" islamists making excuses and pretending the deeply imbedded pillars of your ideology are completely blameless for these embarassements, as if there were absolutely no connecting thread between them.

Right, but reacting with anger towards them only makes them feel more confident in their issue ("If they are so mad that I'm bringing |patriarchy/homophobia/transgender issues/other unrelated shit that I blew out of proportion| up all the time, I'm basically the 21st century Rosa Parks!"), generally yelling on the internet is a bad way of getting your point across.

And you are right, the internet almost completely removed the need to adapt to our society when we're somewhat not fitting in with our point of view, instead it helps people form small circlejerks left and right, where instead of discussion, everyone just says what they think and expects to hear it back from others. It's natural that we flock to people sharing our POV, but there arises this problem of "proudful ignorance", when instead of even considering the opposing idea for a moment, it's quickly dismissed as something wrong and stupid because "my idea is different"

And then again, our experiences vary because different countries have different "leading" ideas, I for one know that Polish internet is absurdly right-wing, or more often simply reactionary - "what is now is badder, we want to go back to the previous thing even if we hated it" kind of thinking. Common for all of us is reddit, tumblr, 4chan and facebook I guess, and I'll refer to them.

It varies and I'm probably horribly generalising, but GENERALLY: Reddit appeals to young males (varies from sub to sub), tumblr is more appealing to younger women and teenagers, 4chan is generally same as reddit, but with more hating and shitposting and facebook is for old people. All those places create different views of the world based on how their users post and "discuss" (if you can call it that), and what the general consensus eventually becomes. And even in those sites, there are very varying opinions.
Also, universities are definitely to be blamed but I can't really speak about it as all I've ever heard is some failed attempts by student councils to create some stupid "safe spaces" in a few colleges in the US, and a few protests + the BlackLiesMatter movement which is a fucking joke. But can you blame the universities? It's their job to spearhead the new ideas, sometimes it fails and sometimes it goes through, sometimes for worse and sometimes for the good. Someone oughta do it, the problem is when you can't speak out AGAINST an idea.
Title: Re: Social Justice Warriors
Post by: Leshma on November 30, 2015, 10:49:15 pm
For me reddit is source of information, not interested in having pointless discussions on reddit (this is the only place where I'm involved in political discussions). Reddit is like reading news on those old, pre-internet bulletin boards. Straight to the point, all functionality devoid of fancy looks. 4chan is similar but it's filled with trolls and finding proper information can be a chore. Facebook is about sharing your personal stuff with other people, just like Instagram.

Switched to reddit because Google is getting worse every day.
Title: Re: Social Justice Warriors
Post by: Grytviken on November 30, 2015, 11:11:54 pm
For me reddit is source of information, not interested in having pointless discussions on reddit (this is the only place where I'm involved in political discussions). Reddit is like reading news on those old, pre-internet bulletin boards. Straight to the point, all functionality devoid of fancy looks. 4chan is similar but it's filled with trolls and finding proper information can be a chore. Facebook is about sharing your personal stuff with other people, just like Instagram.

Switched to reddit because Google is getting worse every day.

  The problem is the manipulation of information and the dangerous cult like mentality of the extreme left and right. This mob mentality demonizes and will slander anyone with a differing opinion that does not suit their interest or story they are trying to paint to the point where the silent majority just sheepishly goes along.
  This left vs right mentality brings balance but it also brings deadlock and makes the US government operate like a bi-polar maniac. The extreme ideologies of the left and the right are both pushed by the silent majority unknowingly or indirectly to promote what they see as their cause, which is their ideology dominating the other despite the reality or consequences. You really have to look at every single piece of news or media as biased in some sort of way, because media psychologists get paid alot of money to display their political bias no matter how subtle it may be.

“However political parties may now and then answer popular ends, they are likely in the course of time and things, to become potent engines, by which cunning, ambitious, and unprincipled men will be enabled to subvert the power of the people and to usurp for themselves the reins of government, destroying afterwards the very engines which have lifted them to unjust dominion.”

                                           George Washington

It just makes no sense to me to have two ideologies with total opposite interests competing against each other without some kind of reason, sense or moderate party represented. Of course a realist party like this would have no popularity because it would upset what the most powerful consider balance in the system, this system that works in their favor.
Title: Re: Social Justice Warriors
Post by: Tibe on December 01, 2015, 09:27:14 am
Its related to similar issues that hunt movements similar to feminism, PETA and Black lives matter. People today are significantly more respectful of eachother than they used to be back in the 70s or so. This has made people in these movements and other Social warriors kinda confused. In the past all these social issues were easly detectable and could be fought against. These days its really not, because they dont exsist so widespread anymore and with that they dont really know who or what to fight anymore. So now they are just people looking for a fight, by jumping down throats of random people responsible to absolutely random things and giving a message that aged decades ago.
Title: Re: Social Justice Warriors
Post by: Vibe on December 01, 2015, 10:10:48 am
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Title: Re: Social Justice Warriors
Post by: ecorcheur_brokar on December 02, 2015, 08:57:52 am
Social Justice Warriors have not so much to do with marxism imo. I am pretty confident there's not many people from the working class in those hardcore feminist fight against "offensive things not to say", when you see how economical inequalities are progressing, you realise there's far more important fight to lead than not enough female character in video games....
Title: Re: Social Justice Warriors
Post by: Kafein on December 02, 2015, 07:51:51 pm
Congrats, that's exactly how I started my road  to "extremism", as you characterize it. Where do you think SJW's come from, exactly? You think the source is Tumblr and other internet circlejerking echo chambers? They are merely a symptom, one that is becoming more and more visible thanks to increasingly widespread worldwide communication. My extreme loathing for these people and their sacharine idiocy didn't come from some sort of nationalist indoctrination, quite the contrary. It came from constant exposure to them and their source in academia, the source of the disease that is killing western civilization, the suicidaly self-loathing crypto-marxists who poisoned western liberal thought beyond redemption. If you had any self-awareness you would realize SJW thoughts are just the logical end result of the "progressive", anti-nationalist, pro-globalization, so-called "humanist" ideology you still adhere to. You're no better than the "moderate" islamists making excuses and pretending the deeply imbedded pillars of your ideology are completely blameless for these embarassements, as if there were absolutely no connecting thread between them.

Oberyn is not capable of seeing the difference between humanism and post-structuralism (for lack of a better word), confirmed.

I'm going to spell my view on that as succinctly as possible: humanism is about equality between individuals, crypto-marxism or whatever is about "equality between groups", whatever that means. Those people leave one and get into the other when they ask for justice between groups i.e. ask for the individual of one group to suffer because another group is "oppressed". This has nothing to do whatsoever with anti-nationalism or globalization. In fact, if you ask tumblrspawn most of them will be anti-globalization as they view it as something oppressing "minorities". SJW ideology is literally racist as it seeks to enshrine racial discrimination into law. Same goes for all other axes of "oppression" like sex or religion.

Social Justice Warriors have not so much to do with marxism imo. I am pretty confident there's not many people from the working class in those hardcore feminist fight against "offensive things not to say", when you see how economical inequalities are progressing, you realise there's far more important fight to lead than not enough female character in video games....

It has everything to do with Marxism because it works exactly the same way. You define two classes: the oppressors and the oppressed. You then justify discrimination and causing harm to the "oppressors" as some sort of justice for imaginary crimes.
Title: Re: Social Justice Warriors
Post by: ecorcheur_brokar on December 03, 2015, 12:17:10 pm
Well first, this is not at all what marxism is about, nowhere it is told that oppressors should be discriminated. Marxism is about equality and equality between sex has (almost totally) been reached.

And second where's the oppression against women in the west when the only laws that make differences between men and women (military service and right to maternity rest although men also capitalize for it) both profits to women? SJW are just a past-time for "bourgeois" that have nothing to do with their life and/or tumblr dwellers.
Title: Re: Social Justice Warriors
Post by: Kafein on December 03, 2015, 11:56:43 pm
Well first, this is not at all what marxism is about, nowhere it is told that oppressors should be discriminated. Marxism is about equality

Sweet summer child. It isn't about equality, only some warped notion of it.

And second where's the oppression against women in the west when the only laws that make differences between men and women (military service and right to maternity rest although men also capitalize for it) both profits to women?

The truth doesn't matter to SJWs, only the narrative does.
Title: Re: Social Justice Warriors
Post by: Paul on December 04, 2015, 03:17:13 pm
Well, all religions that I know of ARE stupid.
Title: Re: Social Justice Warriors
Post by: Angantyr on December 04, 2015, 04:17:57 pm
Wait, are you saying that only about 20% of the population of God's own country don't believe in something stupid, Paul?

http://www.livescience.com/46123-many-americans-creationists.html

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Four in 10 Americans believe God created the Earth and anatomically modern humans, less than 10,000 years ago, according to a new Gallup poll.
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About half of Americans believe humans evolved over millions of years, with most of those people saying that God guided the process. Religious, less educated, and older respondents were likelier to espouse a young Earth creationist view — that life was created some 6,000 to 10,000

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Americans consistently report high levels of belief in the supernatural. About 80 percent of Americans believe in miracles and three-quarters believe in the virgin birth of Jesus, according to a 2013 Pew survey.

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About 42 percent espoused the creationist view presented, whereas 31 percent said God guided the evolutionary process, and just 19 said they believe evolution operated without God involved.
Title: Re: Social Justice Warriors
Post by: Kafein on December 05, 2015, 01:02:15 am
Wait, are you saying that only about 20% of the population of God's own country don't believe in something stupid, Paul?

You'll have to explain how you interpreted this:

Well, all religions that I know of ARE stupid.

Did someone on the internet recently come up with a new term? Interesting shitty urban dictionary definition tho:

A pejorative term for an individual who repeatedly and vehemently engages in arguments on social justice on the Internet, often in a shallow or not well-thought-out way, for the purpose of raising their own personal reputation. A social justice warrior, or SJW, does not necessarily strongly believe all that they say, or even care about the groups they are fighting on behalf of. They typically repeat points from whoever is the most popular blogger or commenter of the moment, hoping that they will "get SJ points" and become popular in return. They are very sure to adopt stances that are "correct" in their social circle.

Those Social Justice Warriors sure are shitty.

On an unrelated note i've just been reading thereligionofpeace.com and have decided that all religions are stupid. I am regurgitating my shallow not well-thought-out views for the purpose of raising my own personal reputation. I do not necessarily strongly believe all that I say, or even care about the groups i am ''defending'', i am just repeating points that are currently popular online to become popular online. Also i will only adopt the stance that is likely to be 'correct' in my social circle, and as i am confident that there are very few religious people here i know that regurgitating anti-religion views i've found online will be met with high approval here.

Sure love these new internet-terms, in the mind of the person posting them they always apply to everyone other than themselves. But hey, hard to get a reality-check online.

The definition changed. SJW is a catch-all term for third wave feminism and all movements for "social justice" that espouse the same theoretical foundations. Central to this is the notion that people are living in systemic oppression. This is of course, never defined in a way that is actually falsifiable.
Title: Re: Social Justice Warriors
Post by: Kalam on December 06, 2015, 12:50:17 am
I don't think SJWs are a real thing. They're about as 'real' as the Occupy Movement. I think SciFi fans or Muslims have more in common than 'SJWs'. If anything, they seem like a strawman group, pulled out of the ether and used as a scapegoat for a number of non-specific defensive reactions.

Then again, it's very possible that I don't notice them because I live in the Glorious South.


The truth doesn't matter to SJWs, only the narrative does.

You could replace 'SJWs' with 'humans'.
Title: Re: Social Justice Warriors
Post by: Umbra on December 06, 2015, 01:47:44 am
You PC bro?
Title: Re: Social Justice Warriors
Post by: Leshma on December 06, 2015, 03:26:27 am
I don't think SJWs are a real thing. They're about as 'real' as the Occupy Movement. I think SciFi fans or Muslims have more in common than 'SJWs'. If anything, they seem like a strawman group, pulled out of the ether and used as a scapegoat for a number of non-specific defensive reactions.

Then again, it's very possible that I don't notice them because I live in the Glorious South.

You could replace 'SJWs' with 'humans'.

They are very real on twitter. Although that place is a cesspit. There was a time when I could find some interesting stuff on twitter but these days it is mostly SJW vs right wingers fighting.

Internet sources say whole thing started on tumblr but I don't browse that website. Prefer my information in textual form, for example only reason why I use imgur is to upload something online. But when it comes to entertainment, it is the other way around. Which is why you don't see me in books thread.
Title: Re: Social Justice Warriors
Post by: Grytviken on December 06, 2015, 03:30:24 am
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Title: Re: Social Justice Warriors
Post by: Oberyn on December 06, 2015, 10:42:03 am
I don't think SJWs are a real thing.

Look up Maryam Namazie speaking at Goldsmith university and the ISOC reaction. Guess who sided with the violent islamist assholes? The Feminist and LGBT societies both came out with statements in support of ISOC...it's mindblowingly retarded, but there it is. Look up Ayaan Hirsi Ali trying to speak in the western world and the reactions of "feminists" and other far-left crypto-marxist organizations within academia.

Look at other ex-muslims speaking out in universities across the western world and the reactions of self-abasing pieces of shit whose primary intention and worry is the destruction of western civilization and everything it stands for, regardless of how idiotically nonsensical and hypocritical it is. The "white male" is the ultimate evil, the poor opressed "brown" muslims are always right. If you think SJW don't exist it's because you're wilfully blind or just an ignorant cunt. Probably both.

The Occupy movement is actually a perfect example. It started as a traditionally anti-capitalist, pro-communist movement. It got obliterated from the inside with fascist 1984 crap like the "Progressive Stack". Don't know what that is? You're an ignorant cunt. It's the very basis of modern "leftist", "liberal", "humanist" thought laid out bare for all to see, and still blind idiots like you will turn away and pretend it doesnt exist. These things are embedded in the most elite centers of higher learning, the ones forming the leaders of today and tommorow, and you still want to pretend it has no effect whatsoever.
Title: Re: Social Justice Warriors
Post by: Xant on December 06, 2015, 01:32:34 pm
It's hilarious because the feminist, LGBT and "anti-racist" communities tend to band together and support the same things, creating a single SJW agenda. Funny because the "anti-racists" usually stand for the exact opposite values.
Title: Re: Social Justice Warriors
Post by: Angantyr on December 06, 2015, 06:37:44 pm
You'll have to explain how you interpreted this:
I just wanted an excuse to post those statistics.
Title: Re: Social Justice Warriors
Post by: Turkhammer on December 06, 2015, 06:53:31 pm
Does anyone else read out Oberyns posts loud from time to time, trying best to emulate his heavily accented, yet anger-driven voice?

Come on Paul.  Anger is a genuine emotion.  There are things that are worth being angry over.  And how do you know what his accent is like?  Have you spoken with him or heard him speaking English on TS?  From your tone, I would guess that you that ridiculing someone's accent is a valid way of countering his arguments. 
Title: Re: Social Justice Warriors
Post by: Xant on December 06, 2015, 06:59:08 pm
Come on Paul.  Anger is a genuine emotion.  There are things that are worth being angry over.  And how do you know what his accent is like?  Have you spoken with him or heard him speaking English on TS?  From your tone, I would guess that you that ridiculing someone's accent is a valid way of countering his arguments.
Have you ever heard Paul present a valid argument? Me neither.
Title: Re: Social Justice Warriors
Post by: Turkhammer on December 06, 2015, 07:00:38 pm
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Title: Re: Social Justice Warriors
Post by: Angantyr on December 06, 2015, 07:16:35 pm
She is joking, hopefully?
Title: Re: Social Justice Warriors
Post by: Kafein on December 06, 2015, 08:08:16 pm
These things are embedded in the most elite centers of higher learning, the ones forming the leaders of today and tommorow

That has yet to be seen. I wouldn't call liberal arts majors the elite of anything.

I don't think SJWs are a real thing. They're about as 'real' as the Occupy Movement. I think SciFi fans or Muslims have more in common than 'SJWs'. If anything, they seem like a strawman group, pulled out of the ether and used as a scapegoat for a number of non-specific defensive reactions.

Then again, it's very possible that I don't notice them because I live in the Glorious South.

She is joking, hopefully?

There is so much of that out there you'll start to wonder if they are actually serious.

You could replace 'SJWs' with 'humans'.

Do humans in general still believe 1 in 4 women get raped on US campuses? Or the pay gap thing? Blank state psychology?

It's hilarious because the feminist, LGBT and "anti-racist" communities tend to band together and support the same things, creating a single SJW agenda. Funny because the "anti-racists" usually stand for the exact opposite values.

It's funny to see feminists and religious tolerance advocates trying to awkwardly ignore each other.
Title: Re: Social Justice Warriors
Post by: Xant on December 06, 2015, 08:15:40 pm
She is joking, hopefully?
Poe's law.
Title: Re: Social Justice Warriors
Post by: Paul on December 06, 2015, 08:18:45 pm
Come on Paul.  Anger is a genuine emotion.  There are things that are worth being angry over.  And how do you know what his accent is like?  Have you spoken with him or heard him speaking English on TS?  From your tone, I would guess that you that ridiculing someone's accent is a valid way of countering his arguments.

I think I heard him in TS years ago in one of the strat battles. Might be another Frenchman though. They all sound alike to me. Anyways, countering his arguments? I agree that SJWs are retarded. Far right is retarded. Islam is retarded too, written to justify the - even at that time's standards - immoral actions of a pretty successful warlord. The reality is that most people are thankfully still moderate. Most "leftists" are moderate. Most conservatives are moderate. Most moslems are moderate. I hope we can build on that and somehow keep the far left/right/retarded in check. Meanwhile the more extreme people could be contained in circle-jerk threads like this.
Title: Re: Social Justice Warriors
Post by: Leshma on December 06, 2015, 08:28:09 pm
Meanwhile the more extreme people could be contained in circle-jerk threads like this.

Before they stopped playing cRPG, they used to be in clan called Mercenaries.
Title: Re: Social Justice Warriors
Post by: Kafein on December 07, 2015, 12:22:53 am
Sick burn right there Leshma.
Title: Re: Social Justice Warriors
Post by: ecorcheur_brokar on December 08, 2015, 12:22:08 pm
Sweet summer child. It isn't about equality, only some warped notion of it.

The truth doesn't matter to SJWs, only the narrative does.
Huehuehue So SJW are crypto-marxist who are themselves crypto-oppressors who are themselves crypto-lizard-men?

It's simple as that marxists want the end of capitalism, how does SJW will end capitalism?
Title: Re: Social Justice Warriors
Post by: Kafein on December 08, 2015, 08:51:39 pm
Huehuehue So SJW are crypto-marxist who are themselves crypto-oppressors who are themselves crypto-lizard-men?

I don't know what the hell you're talking about.

It's simple as that marxists want the end of capitalism, how does SJW will end capitalism?

Your interpretation of Marxism is so extremely simplistic it ends up being categorically wrong. If you want to know what I'm talking about, read Marx or some other person's comments on it. More specifically the theory of class struggle. And no, the guy wearing a Che shirt is not the best source of information on Marxism.
Title: Re: Social Justice Warriors
Post by: Turkhammer on December 08, 2015, 09:27:17 pm
I think I heard him in TS years ago in one of the strat battles. Might be another Frenchman though. They all sound alike to me. Anyways, countering his arguments? I agree that SJWs are retarded. Far right is retarded. Islam is retarded too, written to justify the - even at that time's standards - immoral actions of a pretty successful warlord. The reality is that most people are thankfully still moderate. Most "leftists" are moderate. Most conservatives are moderate. Most moslems are moderate. I hope we can build on that and somehow keep the far left/right/retarded in check. Meanwhile the more extreme people could be contained in circle-jerk threads like this.

Filter out Oberyn's profanity and name calling and I think you and he have more in common philosophically than you think. 
Title: Re: Social Justice Warriors
Post by: Tibe on December 09, 2015, 07:36:00 am
I don't know what the hell you're talking about.

Your interpretation of Marxism is so extremely simplistic it ends up being categorically wrong. If you want to know what I'm talking about, read Marx or some other person's comments on it. More specifically the theory of class struggle. And no, the guy wearing a Che shirt is not the best source of information on Marxism.

I wouldnt be suprised if Brokar was the guy wearing a Che shirt.
Title: Re: Social Justice Warriors
Post by: Butan on December 09, 2015, 01:11:30 pm
More specifically the theory of class struggle.

Its a theory only, right? Marxists invented it so they could surf on it and get people's vote.
Title: Re: Social Justice Warriors
Post by: Molly on December 09, 2015, 04:03:39 pm
I read the original manifest of the Communist Party by Marx and Engels once...
...nothing stuck except that I was surprised how much of their criticism still fits today's problems, even with the choice of words from back then.
Title: Re: Social Justice Warriors
Post by: ecorcheur_brokar on December 09, 2015, 05:43:08 pm
I don't know what the hell you're talking about.

Your interpretation of Marxism is so extremely simplistic it ends up being categorically wrong. If you want to know what I'm talking about, read Marx or some other person's comments on it. More specifically the theory of class struggle. And no, the guy wearing a Che shirt is not the best source of information on Marxism.
I made it simplistic so you could see how SWJ absolutely don't follow Marxism goals (never said end of capitalism was the only and final goal). And I advise to read directly the work of Marx instead of the comments that must have distorted your vision of it.

If I had to wear some modern "revolutionary" face on my T-shirt, it might be Etiennne Chouard. Not sure, you can find what he says in English. But one of the things he says is that all those things we always see in the media about abortion, racism, immigration, etc are so secondary compared to the oppression of more than half of the population by those detaining the capital (1% of the population) and are merely means to divide and distract from the important topic (the political system). Here are some extract of his interview for french people: https://blogs.mediapart.fr/edward-sexby/blog/071214/etienne-chouard-le-fascisme-la-droite-et-la-gauche (https://blogs.mediapart.fr/edward-sexby/blog/071214/etienne-chouard-le-fascisme-la-droite-et-la-gauche) (pas vraiment d'accord avec sa définition du fascisme mais on comprend ce qu'il veut dire).

I have no idea how you manage to fit SWJ "fight" inside class-struggle. Please tell me, quote the passage of Marx where he said video-game should include female character.
Title: Re: Social Justice Warriors
Post by: Xant on December 09, 2015, 06:11:31 pm
I made it simplistic so you could see how SWJ absolutely don't follow Marxism goals (never said end of capitalism was the only and final goal). And I advise to read directly the work of Marx instead of the comments that must have distorted your vision of it.

If I had to wear some modern "revolutionary" face on my T-shirt, it might be Etiennne Chouard. Not sure, you can find what he says in English. But one of the things he says is that all those things we always see in the media about abortion, racism, immigration, etc are so secondary compared to the oppression of more than half of the population by those detaining the capital (1% of the population) and are merely means to divide and distract from the important topic (the political system). Here are some extract of his interview for french people: https://blogs.mediapart.fr/edward-sexby/blog/071214/etienne-chouard-le-fascisme-la-droite-et-la-gauche (https://blogs.mediapart.fr/edward-sexby/blog/071214/etienne-chouard-le-fascisme-la-droite-et-la-gauche) (pas vraiment d'accord avec sa définition du fascisme mais on comprend ce qu'il veut dire).

I have no idea how you manage to fit SWJ "fight" inside class-struggle. Please tell me, quote the passage of Marx where he said video-game should include female character.
Men respect the silent; they despise the garrulous.
Title: Re: Social Justice Warriors
Post by: Kafein on December 09, 2015, 09:27:24 pm
I made it simplistic so you could see how SWJ absolutely don't follow Marxism goals (never said end of capitalism was the only and final goal).

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I have no idea how you manage to fit SWJ "fight" inside class-struggle. Please tell me, quote the passage of Marx where he said video-game should include female character.

Two things: first, I never claimed that SJWs follow the goals of Marxism, because they obviously don't. That single fact alone is merely a difference between the movements. Second, Marxism is first and foremost an ideology, a world-view. It divides people into the bourgeois class and the worker class. Obviously, the bourgeois are oppressors and the workers are oppressed. SJW theory, which dates back to the 60s post-structuralists like Foucault or Butler, is basically the same thing. You replace bourgeois with white male and worker with minorities plus females and that's it. You can argue all you want about one being more legitimate than the other, they are structurally identical. The push for political correctness, diversity quotas and gender-neutral pronouns is systematically "justified" by citing "historical oppression", real or otherwise.
Title: Re: Social Justice Warriors
Post by: Xant on December 11, 2015, 07:10:36 am
What the world needs is Trump.

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Title: Re: Social Justice Warriors
Post by: LordBerenger on December 11, 2015, 07:57:05 am
Trump wants to ban internet as well. #BernieSanders2016
Title: Re: Social Justice Warriors
Post by: Xant on December 11, 2015, 09:11:45 am
Only from radical Islam.
Title: Re: Social Justice Warriors
Post by: Clockworkkiller on December 11, 2015, 04:58:47 pm
What the world needs is Trump.

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CAN'T STUMP
THE TRUMP

PUTTING THE WHITE RACE IN THE RIGHT PLACE

GODBLESS
Title: Re: Social Justice Warriors
Post by: Turkhammer on December 11, 2015, 07:01:24 pm
Don't worry Clockwork.  Bernie Sanders and Jesus will save the day.
Title: Re: Social Justice Warriors
Post by: Leshma on December 11, 2015, 08:55:23 pm
Bernie Sanders is Jesus Christ reborn. A bit old this time around, but that doesn't matter. People live longer these days :mrgreen:

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So when they [the disciples] had come together, they asked him, "Lord, will you at this time restore the kingdom to Israel?" He [Jesus] said to them, "It is not for you to know times or seasons which the Father has fixed by his own authority" (Acts 1:6-7).

2000 years ago it wasn't the right time, Father wasn't planned for that period to be when he will return his people back to Israel. But Jews are living in Israel, silly Leshma! No they are not.

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You think only ISIL have plans for major land grab? You are wrong. Behond the Great Israel, mythical land God promised to his people eons ago. It is time to give it back to them, will solve every single issue in middle east :mrgreen:

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Title: Re: Social Justice Warriors
Post by: Kafein on December 12, 2015, 12:58:41 am
You think only ISIL have plans for major land grab? You are wrong. Behond the Great Israel, mythical land God promised to his people eons ago. It is time to give it back to them, will solve every single issue in middle east :mrgreen:

Let's be honest here, the Middle-East would be less of a clusterfuck if it was a giant Israeli colony.
Title: Re: Social Justice Warriors
Post by: Turkhammer on December 12, 2015, 03:02:10 am
Bernie Sanders is Jesus Christ reborn. A bit old this time around, but that doesn't matter. People live longer these days :mrgreen:



I thought that was Obama, the Messiah.
Title: Re: Social Justice Warriors
Post by: Butan on December 12, 2015, 04:10:17 am
Let's be honest here, the Middle-East would be less of a clusterfuck if it was a giant Israeli colony.

If it was solely populated by jews, maybe; even then, not sure.
Title: Re: Social Justice Warriors
Post by: Sandersson Jankins on December 12, 2015, 03:14:16 pm
I thought that was Obama, the Messiah.

Are you talking about The Elected God-King Barold Obongo, Ruler of Healthcare and Lord Protectorate of Freedom and Liberty, Based Be His Name in the Year Twenty Plus Fifteen More of The Lord Our God (peace be unto his name) Allah and Jesus Christ the Redeemer?

I don't know who that Obama cat you're talking about is.
Title: Re: Social Justice Warriors
Post by: Admerius on December 15, 2015, 12:57:48 am
http://www.youtube.com/channel/UC-yewGHQbNFpDrGM0diZOLA (http://www.youtube.com/channel/UC-yewGHQbNFpDrGM0diZOLA)
cba to link all the "related" channels that are really good too.

Sargon and many others has had this effect.. I'll lend some words from Karl Marx(taken almost totally out of context)
"Criticism has plucked the imaginary flowers on the chain not in order that man shall continue to bear that chain without fantasy or consolation, but so that he shall throw off the chain and pluck the living flower"

source: From memory of Christopher Hitchens speeches

Edit1: fixed dah linkage