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Title: Admins: Drastic measure to get population. Good idea within.
Post by: Penitent on November 23, 2015, 08:20:41 pm
I don't have to talk about the state of the current server populations.  Here is the plan though, for EU and NA:

The year of mercy: Unbans. 

Unban all the people who have been perma-banned, and message them that they are free.  This will give us a good shot in the arm, and bring back some favorite players.

What about all the trolls and really bad guys?  Two points:
1.) I don't think dozens and dozens of people will respond to this freedom, so it's not a big issue.  We're talking a handful that will probably respond.
2.) The real ass trolls, if there are any, will sort themselves out quickly and be re-banned anyways.


Final Question to ask yourselves for those who doubt:

At this point, what do we have to lose?
Title: Re: Admins: Drastic measure to get population. Good idea within.
Post by: BlackxBird on November 23, 2015, 08:22:56 pm
we have way too less admins to do that.
Title: Re: Admins: Drastic measure to get population. Good idea within.
Post by: Penitent on November 23, 2015, 08:23:29 pm
we have way too less admins to do that.

Only need one, dude!

Believe that one person can change the world.
Title: Re: Admins: Drastic measure to get population. Good idea within.
Post by: Daunt_Flockula on November 23, 2015, 08:38:36 pm
Probably one thing you are forgetting is that people who have been banned for a long time will be enraged already, and the only thing that could even motivate them to come back would be to create chaos as retaliation or nonchalantly repeat the actions that got them banned in the first place.

Why bother? If revival means apocalypse, let the dead remain dead.
Title: Re: Admins: Drastic measure to get population. Good idea within.
Post by: Penitent on November 23, 2015, 08:58:43 pm
Probably one thing you are forgetting is that people who have been banned for a long time will be enraged already, and the only thing that could even motivate them to come back would be to create chaos as retaliation or nonchalantly repeat the actions that got them banned in the first place.

Why bother? If revival means apocalypse, let the dead remain dead.

That is interesting.  My post gives two reasons why it specifically cannot spell apocalypse.  I guess some people just aren't in to this idea though.

Oh well.
Title: Re: Admins: Drastic measure to get population. Good idea within.
Post by: Macropus on November 23, 2015, 09:17:23 pm
Could help, but sadly I don't think there is any sufficient number of people who would start playing again once unbanned, who knows though.
Title: Re: Admins: Drastic measure to get population. Good idea within.
Post by: Son Of Odin on November 23, 2015, 09:19:57 pm
What's permabanned, should stay permabanned.
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Post by: Jaren on November 23, 2015, 09:21:25 pm
I dunno if this would be advisable as we begin shifting gears into welcoming a new community as Dev blogs and BG slowly emerge their heads.

In most perma-cases, I'm doubting they haven't moved on in other gaming progression.
Rejoining under a new name and key has never been a difficulty...

If they want to return to this... like cRPG (as it's coffin nails are slowly tapped into place).
I'd welcome a return... Hopefully... Maybe... Doubtfully, time has killed the inner-shithead within them.

But combatants are just that, and I could use more skulls for the skull throne.
Title: Re: Admins: Drastic measure to get population. Good idea within.
Post by: BlackxBird on November 23, 2015, 09:33:23 pm
I mean not enough admins on the servers...
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Post by: the real god emperor on November 23, 2015, 10:05:51 pm
Every good thing has an end , and cRPG is living its last times. Please let me remember it as a fun mod with events battles friends , not a game filled with chocolate chip cookies , bundle of stickss and abused children
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Post by: Leshma on November 23, 2015, 10:12:55 pm
Import muslims. Population issues fixed. Except... this mod is kinda like my country, so bad that even muslims wont stay here. Talkin about hittin rock bottom.

Edit: To give meaningful opinion... because I'm part of your idea. Permabanned, you know. You can unban me and I still won't touch current cRPG with 10 feet pole. So much for your suggestion.
Title: Re: Admins: Drastic measure to get population. Good idea within.
Post by: Daunt_Flockula on November 23, 2015, 11:56:11 pm
That is interesting.  My post gives two reasons why it specifically cannot spell apocalypse.  I guess some people just aren't in to this idea though.

Oh well.

I think most of us would like to proceed with cremation and spreading of the ashes at this time. No need to disrespect the mod's carcass and keep it rotting in an open casket.
Title: Re: Admins: Drastic measure to get population. Good idea within.
Post by: Butan on November 24, 2015, 01:21:25 am
I'm against blanket unban, but why not unban all that were perma'ed because of poor attitude/TK's, and simple exploits like glitches, afk/leeching?
Basically, unbanning the most harmless.

But I understand that even this would require admins to monitor the situation, so if there is not enough people ready to do it, just keep it as is.
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Post by: Uther Pendragon on November 24, 2015, 01:35:15 am
Well, that's not a lot of work, something that even a single admin can do, but access to some of the bans is restricted only to only the highest ranking people.

Also, I don't think WE would have to monitor them - players would manage that just fine, given how proficient some are at reporting even the smallest shit  :wink:

Besides, and what is most important,
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Post by: Son Of Odin on November 24, 2015, 01:44:40 am
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Aren't you forgetting autoblock ban waves? Shit ton of people got perma'd in those.
Title: Re: Admins: Drastic measure to get population. Good idea within.
Post by: Uther Pendragon on November 24, 2015, 09:20:55 am
Oh, right. But I doubt they'd be unbanned, team killing or being an ass is one thing, trying to gain an unfair advantage with autoblock - a bit more serious thing.
Title: Re: Admins: Drastic measure to get population. Good idea within.
Post by: LEKIS on November 24, 2015, 09:23:47 am
Oh, right. But I doubt they'd be unbanned, team killing or being an ass is one thing, trying to gain an unfair advantage with autoblock - a bit more serious thing.

If you are half decent nowadays you wont have problems blocking even the most tardy feints.

My 1.5 cents (not even worth 2 cents :( ) - unban all, the autoblock ban hammer system seemed to work nicely, and prolly will again.
Title: Re: Admins: Drastic measure to get population. Good idea within.
Post by: IR_Kuoin on November 24, 2015, 11:11:25 am
There's a reason people got banned / permabanned in the first place, the ones who did get permabanned and actually wanted to get back into the mod have come back with either pleading and gotten a second chance or bought another cd-key and if they at that point have fucked themselves up again, will stay out of the mod.
Title: Re: Admins: Drastic measure to get population. Good idea within.
Post by: Grumbs on November 24, 2015, 11:20:39 am
I don't think unbanning people will help much. People that still want to play just need to come back with a new account - permas have never really been true perma's here. The bans are only really a deterrent. What would happen is a bunch of angry guys come for a week or so and dick around until they get bored/banned and we're back to square one. Only the worst guys get permas, they have to screw up baddly multiple times - you will get cheaters, scammers, trolls for no real benefit

The population issue is a result of people not enjoying the game, playing other stuff, wonky gameplay, real life etc. Unbanning guys would be scraping the bottom of the barrel
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Post by: Golem on November 24, 2015, 01:25:19 pm
What we need to truly revive the mod is help from the most obscure community targetted at games on the Internet. The true necros. We need a famous Twitch streamer to play cRPG for a few days. If Donkeycrew would be able to strike a deal with someone like that, say for the promise of early access to heraldy in Melee or any other rewards that were on the kickstarter or something like that, he could say that cRPG is the best game etc etc. Sync that with a Warband sale and you've just got yourself 50 to 200 new players.
EDIT: Or somehow make cRPG free to play
Title: Re: Admins: Drastic measure to get population. Good idea within.
Post by: IR_Kuoin on November 24, 2015, 01:45:31 pm
What we need to truly revive the mod is help from the most obscure community targetted at games on the Internet. The true necros. We need a famous Twitch streamer to play cRPG for a few days. If Donkeycrew would be able to strike a deal with someone like that, say for the promise of early access to heraldy in Melee or any other rewards that were on the kickstarter or something like that, he could say that cRPG is the best game etc etc. Sync that with a Warband sale and you've just got yourself 50 to 200 new players.
EDIT: Or somehow make cRPG free to play

That would only benefit TaleWorlds as cRPG is just a non profit mod for the devs. They should however try to get an early version of Battlegrounds to some streamers, which they probably have already thought of.
Title: Re: Admins: Drastic measure to get population. Good idea within.
Post by: Golem on November 24, 2015, 01:47:05 pm
That would only benefit TaleWorlds as cRPG is just a non profit mod for the devs. They should however try to get an early version of Battlegrounds to some streamers, which they probably have already thought of.
it would benefit us and it would benefit the Devs aswell since new players(if they like the mod) would probably buy the new game aswell.
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Post by: IR_Kuoin on November 24, 2015, 01:51:30 pm
it would benefit us and it would benefit the Devs aswell since new players(if they like the mod) would probably buy the new game aswell.

How many new players actually go into the forums? Which is the only place to really get info about the game, other than hearing it being talked about in the in-game chat. They won't probably even play cRPG but simply Warband. Any person who at this point haven't seen the game wont see that it's a mod but rather wanna play Warband and THEN they go on a mod journey, which at this point I doubt cRPG will even be mentioned.
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Post by: Golem on November 24, 2015, 01:58:25 pm
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Title: Re: Admins: Drastic measure to get population. Good idea within.
Post by: Leshma on November 24, 2015, 02:26:20 pm
the ones who did get permabanned and actually wanted to get back into the mod have come back with either pleading and gotten a second chance or bought another cd-key

Exactly.
Title: Re: Admins: Drastic measure to get population. Good idea within.
Post by: Butan on November 24, 2015, 05:04:47 pm
There's a reason people got banned / permabanned in the first place, the ones who did get permabanned and actually wanted to get back into the mod have come back with either pleading and gotten a second chance or bought another cd-key and if they at that point have fucked themselves up again, will stay out of the mod.

Its not hard to understand that some people just dont want to beg or throw money away. I personaly know one (Hemmor) that has been perma'ed with no chance to plead and for a bullshit reason too.

Those persons would come back and play if unbanned.
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Post by: BlackxBird on November 24, 2015, 05:06:31 pm
sometimes u were able to buy a fucking warband key for 2,50 :D Everyone who was banned and really wants to come back would simply buy a new key..
Title: Re: Admins: Drastic measure to get population. Good idea within.
Post by: Leshma on November 24, 2015, 05:47:04 pm
Hemmor

Who banned him and why?
Title: Re: Admins: Drastic measure to get population. Good idea within.
Post by: BlackxBird on November 24, 2015, 05:51:44 pm
Who banned him and why?

wasnt he really constantly insulting people on the server? like really heavy insults?
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Post by: Leshma on November 24, 2015, 05:54:31 pm
So? Last time I played everybody on server was equally retarded, including myself and Hemmor. He's like combination of Bjord and Krems, a perfect specimen.
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Post by: Golem on November 24, 2015, 06:07:58 pm
Anyway why are we even talking about low popultion. Yesterday there were 40 people on EU_1. That¨s plenty enough for me.
Title: Re: Admins: Drastic measure to get population. Good idea within.
Post by: Jaren on November 24, 2015, 06:29:42 pm
It's mainly your gnomies from across the pond, NA/SA, suffering from lack of population

We're maxing in the 20's now, which is a bummer.
Title: Re: Admins: Drastic measure to get population. Good idea within.
Post by: Penitent on November 24, 2015, 08:26:26 pm
It's mainly your gnomies from across the pond, NA/SA, suffering from lack of population

We're maxing in the 20's now, which is a bummer.

Yes, NA is the reason I started this.

Remember EU...remember the old saying about the chocolate chip cookies "first they came for the oreos, but I wasn't an oreo so I didn't do anything."

We are NA -- in terms of CRPG, we are the ghost of EU future.  You will be us.  If you want to save yourselves, do your best to help us.  Or go quietly into that good night.

I choose to scrape the bottom of the barrel...to hold on to the rafters as a last rat in a sinking ship.  We need more rats in here to help bail water.  To the last, brethren.  To the last.
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Post by: Golem on November 24, 2015, 08:47:37 pm
No, we won't.  :) By the time we're in the 20's, Melee would've already launched.
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Post by: Penitent on November 24, 2015, 09:08:15 pm
No, we won't.  :) By the time we're in the 20's, Melee would've already launched.

I am the ghost of CRPG future -- I will show you a vision of the future of CRPG at the time Melee is launched.. BEHOLD:

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Post by: Butan on November 24, 2015, 09:27:11 pm
Yes, NA is the reason I started this.

Remember EU...remember the old saying about the chocolate chip cookies "first they came for the oreos, but I wasn't an oreo so I didn't do anything."

We are NA -- in terms of CRPG, we are the ghost of EU future.  You will be us.  If you want to save yourselves, do your best to help us.  Or go quietly into that good night.

I choose to scrape the bottom of the barrel...to hold on to the rafters as a last rat in a sinking ship.  We need more rats in here to help bail water.  To the last, brethren.  To the last.

I want NA to have healthy pop as much as I want EU to, but there is no NA-specific solution is there?
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Post by: BlackxBird on November 24, 2015, 09:40:09 pm
Hell ye there is.. Fix strat
Title: Re: Admins: Drastic measure to get population. Good idea within.
Post by: Penitent on November 24, 2015, 10:09:07 pm
I want NA to have healthy pop as much as I want EU to, but there is no NA-specific solution is there?

The point is we have to take drastic measures to preserve/boost player count NOW -- not wait until EU is at 20 players at peak times as well.

This is in response to someone saying "we got 40 players, who cares, all is well."

Been there, dude.
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Post by: Bronto on November 25, 2015, 12:22:29 pm
We had close to 30 at like 4PM Est on NA yesterday. I think a lot more people would play if strat was reset and/or unbroken. Most afternoons, there's the usual 4 (myself, damatacus, Elder Luker, Habb or Oxrocks and sometimes Bauer) people on before "prime time", all of us huddled in spawn, praying to the gods that more people will show up.

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Post by: POOPHAMMER on November 26, 2015, 05:29:48 am
Yes, NA is the reason I started this.

Remember EU...remember the old saying about the chocolate chip cookies "first they came for the oreos, but I wasn't an oreo so I didn't do anything."

We are NA -- in terms of CRPG, we are the ghost of EU future.  You will be us.  If you want to save yourselves, do your best to help us.  Or go quietly into that good night.

I choose to scrape the bottom of the barrel...to hold on to the rafters as a last rat in a sinking ship.  We need more rats in here to help bail water.  To the last, brethren.  To the last.

The NA perma ban list is tiny. It is just some EU people that came to NA to teamkill/troll while EU has no population, a chinese guy that used multiple cd keys at the same time on rageball to leech mass lps/gold, and a strat multi accounter. I however can not view the global ban list, but if they earned a global ban chances are they really deserved it.
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Post by: Taser on November 26, 2015, 04:03:59 pm
Hell ye there is.. Fix strat

Honestly this is prob the best way to get pop back for crpg in general. Alot of people played crpg just for strat. It might be a bit too little too late situation with strat at this point but its the best way to do it.

There's only so many times you can boost xp/gold x2, x3, etc to keep bringing people back in.
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Post by: Lumetta on November 27, 2015, 03:37:51 am
To be honest. I think MORE people should have been perma banned. All the fuck face shitters delaying EVERY round at the end killed off a lot of the remaining 30 players. I mean why would someone sit around watch butt fucks from opposite teams fake hug while their admin friends support it? I know a lot of people who quit towards the end because of it. (Permaban one >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>my old friend<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<  instead of having 6 others quit)
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Post by: Tristan_of_Erzoth on November 27, 2015, 03:48:40 am
To be honest. I think MORE people should have been perma banned. All the fuck face shitters delaying EVERY round at the end killed off a lot of the remaining 30 players. I mean why would someone sit around watch butt fucks from opposite teams fake hug while their admin friends support it? I know a lot of people who quit towards the end because of it. (Permaban one >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>my old friend<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<  instead of having 6 others quit)

Although I kind of agree with your point did you have to type it out like a complete retard?



Also yeah fix strat pls
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Post by: Penitent on November 27, 2015, 04:11:42 am
To be honest. I think MORE people should have been perma banned. All the fuck face shitters delaying EVERY round at the end killed off a lot of the remaining 30 players. I mean why would someone sit around watch butt fucks from opposite teams fake hug while their admin friends support it? I know a lot of people who quit towards the end because of it. (Permaban one >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>my old friend<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<  instead of having 6 others quit)

This is a good point.  Delayers kind of kill the fun.  Sometimes it's friends just fucking around and not attacking each other -- but sometimes it's some agi troll build running all over the map instead of just fighting until the end and getting on to the next round.
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Post by: Rainbow on November 28, 2015, 08:53:51 pm
NA would need at least one active admin for this to work.