Off Topic => General Off Topic => Topic started by: Sir_Hans on November 17, 2015, 07:26:39 pm
Title: New monitor buying time, drop some steamy wet knowledge all up on my chest.
Post by: Sir_Hans on November 17, 2015, 07:26:39 pm
I'm in the market for upgrading to a new monitor now, which will then give me an excuse to upgrade my video card! Then I can impress the ladies... I've probably spent 4+ hours already researching monitors that I think would be a nice fit, but I can't narrow down my search to that lucky winner for the life of me... Once again I turn to the impeccable knowledge database that is this forum board.
This is my current monitor: Samsung Syncmaster SA550 27 inch... 1920x1080, 2ms response time... and refresh rate is 60hz (I think...) I'm also pretty sure its a TN panel. http://techshift.net/samsung-syncmaster-sa550-full-review-and-final-impressions/
Also to note my current Video card is a NVidia GTX 770 2gb, and I plan on upgrading within the next few months... probably to a GTX 960 4gb.
Now here are the monitors I've narrowed my search down to:
$500 BenQ XL2730Z 144Hz 1ms 27 inch, 2560x1440 (also has freesync which I think the 2720z does not have?) TN panel http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824014451&cm_re=xl2730z-_-24-014-451-_-Product
$670 ASUS ROG PG278Q 27" WQHD 2560x1440 144Hz 1ms DisplayPort Ergonomic Back-lit LED G-SYNC Gaming Monitor TN panel (also known as ROG swift, there is a newer model of this (PG279Q), but this is the cheaper one.) http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824236405&cm_re=pg278q-_-24-236-405-_-Product
I'm upgrading monitor basically just for gaming... predominately on PC, but might plug a console into it as well somewhere down the line. As for games I play all types including fast paced fps.
Anyone got any of these monitors or upgraded to something similar?? Anyone recently make the change from 60z to 120hz+ monitor or from 1920x1080 to 2560x1440??? I'm just trying to convince myself I'm not wasting money by spending $300-$500 on a monitor then probably another $250-$400 on a new beefy gpu.
advise me plz <3
Title: Re: New monitor buying time, drop some steamy wet knowledge all up on my chest.
Post by: Leesin on November 17, 2015, 08:37:35 pm
Get the $380 BenQ and buy a better graphics card than a 960. That's just my personal preference, personally while I think those higher res monitors are great, I don't think it's necessary to achieve fantastic visuals. Maybe my eyes suck, but games look good enough to me on 1080p maxed out, plus I feel if you get a 960 it wont be long before you're struggling to run games at 2560x1440 on max settings. Where as on the other hand, a better graphics card, like at least a 970 4gb, will have you running games on good settings at 1080p for a lot longer.
Of course this is all my own opinion, I am sure others will differ.
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Post by: Mr_Oujamaflip on November 17, 2015, 08:39:15 pm
I'd suggest not going 1440p with a 960, it'll run most games on medium.
Be aware of bleeding in IPS panels.
I'd go 144hz 1080p if you're getting a 960.
Title: Re: New monitor buying time, drop some steamy wet knowledge all up on my chest.
Post by: Sir_Hans on November 17, 2015, 08:53:12 pm
Thanks for input, How much do you think I would have to spend on GPU to run games @ high to ultra settings in 2560x1440 and still get an average of like 75fps+? 2k resolution looks so nice not only for the graphics but the increased field of view I've seen in side by side comparison to 1080's.
Yes I've noticed a lot of people complaining about bleeding on the rog swifts manufactuered in 2015... One guy bought one in 2014 and it was great, and he bought another, same model and everything and it had very bad bleeding effects on the corners of the screen... He RMA'd 4 times and every time he got one with same bleeding effect. He took a picture of both monitors side by side and the difference was completely noticeable, the one with bleeding looked terrible. I would definitely not want that.
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Post by: Angantyr on November 17, 2015, 08:57:40 pm
I bought this one not so long ago, just beautiful design inside and out:
https://www.asus.com/us/Monitors/MX279H/
Title: Re: New monitor buying time, drop some steamy wet knowledge all up on my chest.
Post by: Xant on November 17, 2015, 08:58:56 pm
The difference between 60hz and 144hz is like night and day. Impossible to go back to 60hz after you've tried 120hz+.
Title: Re: New monitor buying time, drop some steamy wet knowledge all up on my chest.
Post by: Kafein on November 17, 2015, 09:15:14 pm
You can game comfortably with a single GTX760 on a 1440p monitor. I did it for quite some time. Just don't be surprised to make a few sacrifices (but not half as much as you'd think to be honest). Overall, better resolution often beats higher detail.
I actually have the ROG Swift pg278q. As far as I know it is a TN panel, but I'm colorblind so I really do not give a shit about color fidelity. Bad viewing angles associated with TN panels are a non-issue, I don't know about you but I rarely do my morning routine while looking at my PC screen. Going 144Hz is a good choice. I think screen refresh rates will probably continue to increase as we're still far from a point where there is no visible difference between moving real objects in front of the screen and moving an image being rendered. I'm extremely happy with it to be honest. G-sync also offers large improvements over vsync, but today there is no point paying the premium for G-Sync over FreeSync unless you absolutely want to buy an Nvidia card. The only issue I have with the Swift is that it has been packaged with a crappy AC adapter: https://rog.asus.com/forum/showthread.php?55509-PG278Q-turning-back-on-by-itself. Not sure if this issue still exists in production.
I had a 60Hz 1080p monitor before and this is probably the best upgrade I've made in the last two years.
Title: Re: New monitor buying time, drop some steamy wet knowledge all up on my chest.
Post by: Sir_Hans on November 17, 2015, 09:17:53 pm
I bought this one not so long ago, just beautiful design inside and out:
https://www.asus.com/us/Monitors/MX279H/
You know that monitor was actually in my top 5 choices before I narrowed it down some... It is very affordable, but what really caught my eye was that it ranks #2 on displaylag.com's input lag ranking chart! http://www.displaylag.com/display-database/ (though their ranking is kind of biased because they test games w/ a 1080/60hz output, so on a 144hz monitor it will actually have more input lag running at 60hz than it would running at 120 or 144hz) Still it's gotta have really good input lag for what it is to rank high on the chart... 1080/60hz/ips
And I agree it does have a very nice aesthetic design. How is it with like ghosting/blurring during fast FPS'ers like a battlefield or call of duty type game? I think I narrowed it out of my choices because the 60hz and especially the 5ms response time seemed like it would be a downgrade from my current monitor even if the input lag was much less.
I actually have the ROG Swift pg278q. As far as I know it is a TN panel, but I'm colorblind so I really do not give a shit about color fidelity. Bad viewing angles associated with TN panels are a non-issue, I don't
I think you're right, it is a TN panel... I got must have got that confused it's still early morning... correcting that.
Title: Re: New monitor buying time, drop some steamy wet knowledge all up on my chest.
Post by: xxkaliboyx on November 17, 2015, 10:06:41 pm
I'm confused. I'm pretty sure 770 = 960 is a lateral upgrade. The 2 extra gigs of memory is not going to help much with the power of a 960. I think most games don't even use most of the 4 GB of video ram.
Option 1: Keep your 770, upgrade to the most bad ass monitor (1440p/144hz/Gsync/Etc) and upgrade the video card when you can. You can easily resell your 770 for a future upgrade.
Option 2: Go with the BenQ 144hz monitor, spend the rest of your budget to upgrading to a higher tier videocard. You set your budget up to 670 dollars
Title: Re: New monitor buying time, drop some steamy wet knowledge all up on my chest.
Post by: Vibe on November 17, 2015, 10:15:50 pm
Go with the 144hz BenQ monitor. I've ordered mine (XL2411Z), still waiting for it. Only 1 supplier for my shit country, been waiting for over a month ;_;
I kept hearing the difference is huge between 60hz and 144hz, so that's why I ordered it. Not the best color apparently (TN panels..), but worth it due to refresh rate.
Title: Re: New monitor buying time, drop some steamy wet knowledge all up on my chest.
Post by: Sir_Hans on November 17, 2015, 11:03:14 pm
I'm confused. I'm pretty sure 770 = 960 is a lateral upgrade. The 2 extra gigs of memory is not going to help much with the power of a 960. I think most games don't even use most of the 4 GB of video ram.
Option 1: Keep your 770, upgrade to the most bad ass monitor (1440p/144hz/Gsync/Etc) and upgrade the video card when you can. You can easily resell your 770 for a future upgrade.
Option 2: Go with the BenQ 144hz monitor, spend the rest of your budget to upgrading to a higher tier videocard. You set your budget up to 670 dollars
Oh really? I thought the GTX 960 4gb would be a huge upgrade compared to my 770 2gb? Is it really a lackluster difference? I'm really not that knowledgeable about GPU's...
Title: Re: New monitor buying time, drop some steamy wet knowledge all up on my chest.
Post by: Kafein on November 18, 2015, 02:18:23 am
Oh really? I thought the GTX 960 4gb would be a huge upgrade compared to my 770 2gb? Is it really a lackluster difference? I'm really not that knowledgeable about GPU's...
Yeah, unless when it comes to some specific modern games with very high VRAM requirements it won't make much of a difference really. Upgrading from a 770 ideally you want to get a 980 to make a real jump forward. And at that price point, an AMD card might be the better option currently. That said I still think you should get a 1440p 144Hz monitor first and think about the GPU afterwards.
Title: Re: New monitor buying time, drop some steamy wet knowledge all up on my chest.
Post by: Rhekimos on November 18, 2015, 02:19:28 am
Oh really? I thought the GTX 960 4gb would be a huge upgrade compared to my 770 2gb? Is it really a lackluster difference? I'm really not that knowledgeable about GPU's...
No, it's not a huge upgrade performance-wise.
It's only worth it if you know that you need 4GB of vram for something. Which might be a requirement for games a couple years down the line, but now that's still 2GB.
Title: Re: New monitor buying time, drop some steamy wet knowledge all up on my chest.
Post by: Sir_Hans on November 18, 2015, 06:34:49 am
This is why I come to you guys before I spend my money. Yall just saved me from wasting $200+ on an unnoticeable upgrade.
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Title: Re: New monitor buying time, drop some steamy wet knowledge all up on my chest.
Post by: Rhekimos on November 18, 2015, 06:52:56 am
You're welcome!
Title: Re: New monitor buying time, drop some steamy wet knowledge all up on my chest.
Post by: Mr_Oujamaflip on November 18, 2015, 09:59:59 am
I moved from a 970 to a 980ti once I bumped to 1440p. The 970 was struggling to run the Witcher 3 at high at 30fps but the 980ti cruises on everything at 60fps.
One thing... there is an upgrade in visuals with a 1440p monitor at 27 inches but I don't think it's worth it. In hindsight I wish I'd stayed at 1080p and gone for a 144hz monitor instead.
Go for 1440p if its 32 inch+ IMO. Otherwise stay at 1080 and get a high refresh rate.
Title: Re: New monitor buying time, drop some steamy wet knowledge all up on my chest.
Post by: LEKIS on November 18, 2015, 10:02:46 am
Get the $380 BenQ and buy a better graphics card than a 960. That's just my personal preference, personally while I think those higher res monitors are great, I don't think it's necessary to achieve fantastic visuals. Maybe my eyes suck, but games look good enough to me on 1080p maxed out, plus I feel if you get a 960 it wont be long before you're struggling to run games at 2560x1440 on max settings. Where as on the other hand, a better graphics card, like at least a 970 4gb, will have you running games on good settings at 1080p for a lot longer.
Of course this is all my own opinion, I am sure others will differ.
^I would follow this ^
The 970 is OK (Had one myself), try to go for the 980ti and you will shit your pants.
980ti and sufficient CPU = 140 FPS on BF4 on ultra settings in 1080p for exampel
Title: Re: New monitor buying time, drop some steamy wet knowledge all up on my chest.
Post by: Mr_Oujamaflip on November 18, 2015, 12:27:05 pm
Title: Re: New monitor buying time, drop some steamy wet knowledge all up on my chest.
Post by: Leshma on November 18, 2015, 06:12:04 pm
What's use of 144Hz monitor if you can't keep stable 144 fps most of the time in new games? Also you need Gsync monitor if you use nVidia GPU.
I personally don't give a fuck about input lag, refresh rate and such "gaming" features. My dream monitor is some ultrawide beast, as big as it gets.
Title: Re: New monitor buying time, drop some steamy wet knowledge all up on my chest.
Post by: Sir_Hans on November 18, 2015, 06:37:26 pm
From what I've heard from other people say: Even if you aren't getting 144+ frames per second, 144hz or 120hz is still a very large improvement over a 60hz if you are running somewhere between 60fps-100fps. Also input lag will actually go down if you run more than 60fps on a 120hz or 144hz as compared to a 60hz monitor.
Haven't tested it myself but this is what majority of reviewers have said.
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Post by: The_Bloody_Nine on November 18, 2015, 08:52:33 pm
I'm not sure if this is qualified on a technical basis, but after experiencing what HUGE difference moving from a vga to dvi cable made I bet you will notice 144Hz even without playing a game, right?
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Post by: Xant on November 18, 2015, 09:03:51 pm
I'm not sure if this is qualified on a technical basis, but after experiencing what HUGE difference moving from a vga to dvi cable made I bet you will notice 144Hz even without playing a game, right?
Yes. Even just moving stuff around on the desktop, there is a massive difference in smoothness.
Title: Re: New monitor buying time, drop some steamy wet knowledge all up on my chest.
Post by: Angantyr on November 18, 2015, 10:50:29 pm
You know that monitor was actually in my top 5 choices before I narrowed it down some... It is very affordable, but what really caught my eye was that it ranks #2 on displaylag.com's input lag ranking chart! http://www.displaylag.com/display-database/ (though their ranking is kind of biased because they test games w/ a 1080/60hz output, so on a 144hz monitor it will actually have more input lag running at 60hz than it would running at 120 or 144hz) Still it's gotta have really good input lag for what it is to rank high on the chart... 1080/60hz/ips
And I agree it does have a very nice aesthetic design. How is it with like ghosting/blurring during fast FPS'ers like a battlefield or call of duty type game? I think I narrowed it out of my choices because the 60hz and especially the 5ms response time seemed like it would be a downgrade from my current monitor even if the input lag was much less.
The closest I come to that type of game is Arma and that isn't very close. But I think it has a great picture and very good colors. I mainly bought the monitor because of its design, I'm an aesthetic, and the fact that it had in-built audio from Bang&Olufsen, so I could free up my desk from my speakers (my pc is in the middle of my apartment and I want it to look neat and tidy). It also had good stats and had gotten some good reviews, and it has great anti-reflection (usually pretty sunny in my living room during Summer).
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Post by: Mr_Oujamaflip on November 18, 2015, 10:54:36 pm
Based on that website my TV has 17ms response time. That's... really good.
Title: Re: New monitor buying time, drop some steamy wet knowledge all up on my chest.
Post by: Rhekimos on November 19, 2015, 06:06:42 am
From what I've heard from other people say: Even if you aren't getting 144+ frames per second, 144hz or 120hz is still a very large improvement over a 60hz if you are running somewhere between 60fps-100fps. Also input lag will actually go down if you run more than 60fps on a 120hz or 144hz as compared to a 60hz monitor.
Haven't tested it myself but this is what majority of reviewers have said.
This is true. Whatever the computer sends to the monitor will appear faster on higher frequency monitor.
A 60 fps monitor would update itself every 1s/60fps=0.01666... seconds. And a 120 fps monitor would update itself every 1s/120fps=0.00833... seconds. Similarly for a 144 fps monitor: 1s/144fps=0.006944... seconds.
The jump from 60hz to 120hz is large in latency as well, in fact exactly double.
More on important monitor properties:
Quote from: lifted from elsewhere
Fluidity of motion: Try turning in any first person shooter. The difference between 60hz and 144hz is easily perceptible. So getting a 144hz vs 60hz monitor will definitely improve this. Having a more fluid image definitely helps with aiming.
Clarity of motion: This has two components, depending on what content you are watching. In games without motion blur, a higher frame rate and an impulse driven display (impulse vs sample and hold) mean that while you are turning/moving, each succinct frame will be perfectly sharp. A 144hz LCD monitor is an improvement upon 60hz, however even a 60hz monitor that is impulse driven will have sharper images than the 144hz, since there are no sample and hold artifacts.
Input delay: This is the most underrated and un-specified feature of monitors. Response time is how long it takes for a pixel to turn from say white to black to white again. However, the time from when you click a button to when the result is displayed on your screen is called Input delay. Most monitors do not state their input delay. Even a monitor with 120hz + Impulse driven is UNPLAYABLE with 200-300ms of input delay. CRTs have no input delay (or at least negligible for the sake of this argument), whereas LCDs/LEDs take a digital signal and have to process the signal - adding about 20-100ms of delay on consumer grade monitors.
Also more good info: https://pcmonitors.info/articles/factors-affecting-pc-monitor-responsiveness/
Title: Re: New monitor buying time, drop some steamy wet knowledge all up on my chest.
Post by: Sir_Hans on November 19, 2015, 11:01:05 am
I think I am leaning towards one of the two BenQ's... There seems to be a lot more complaints from people w/ the ROG Swift's quality control... bleeding, dead pixels, excessive motion blur on the monitors seem to cause people to have to RMA it more often.
And the differences between G-sync and Freesync seem to be pretty minimal... I do like the sound of motion blur reduction option in the ROG Swift, but I found out you cant have the motion blur reduction boosty thing enabled while G-sync is enabled, it's one or the other.
Also the BenQ's low blue light for less eye strain sounds like something I could love <3
I'm going to wait til black friday sales... see If I can find them ultra cheap on newegg, amazon or something.
Still not sure whether to get the 2560x1440 or 1920x1080 BenQ... I want the increase resolution but I'm afraid I'm going to get bad frame rates in games even when graphics are set to medium or low. Some games already dip below 60fps on ultra settings on my current monitor that is 1080... but on the other hand If i go with the 1080 BenQ it's like the only thing I'm getting is better response time, refresh rate, input lag for about $370... Must ponder harder before black friday...
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Post by: The_Bloody_Nine on November 19, 2015, 11:19:47 am
CRTs have no input delay (or at least negligible for the sake of this argument), whereas LCDs/LEDs take a digital signal and have to process the signal - adding about 20-100ms of delay on consumer grade monitors.
Yay, let's all go back to Röhre!
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Post by: Mr_Oujamaflip on November 19, 2015, 01:10:01 pm
Stick with 1080 for now unless its 32"+ the difference isn't significant enough. Gsync has a big price bump too so keep that in mind.
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Post by: Rhekimos on November 19, 2015, 03:35:46 pm
Heh, neither they or I are advocating going back to CRTs but it's a fact that some of the features of tube tech are hard to match with liquid crystals. LCDs need techniques like response time compensation which can cause graphical errors like ghosting to get near to how fast tubes were naturally.
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Post by: Kafein on November 19, 2015, 06:51:34 pm
Yes. Even just moving stuff around on the desktop, there is a massive difference in smoothness.
Actually this is in many cases *more* obvious than playing a game.
As for the size of the monitor, mine is 27" and it already feels too large at times. I would prefer more detail to be honest. Of course it depends on how far you want to sit from your monitor and how much of your vision you want to be covered by it.
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Post by: darmaster on November 19, 2015, 08:08:36 pm
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Post by: Sir_Hans on November 19, 2015, 08:29:55 pm
Yeah I like 27'' I think it is a good size for how far I sit from monitor (about 2 &1/2ft from eyeballs to screen) 32 inch would just be overkill and would cause me to have to look upwards to see the center of the screen... or boost my chair up and set my keyboard/mouse on some kind of raised platform to compensate.
I agree 1080 looks fine, its not like the games are over pixelated and stuff... but bumping up to a 2k res monitor in a way validates my urge to spend hundreds on a new monitor...
Still unsure which one I'm gonna get, main worry about 2k is my frames will bog and I'll have to run everything on low.
The 1080 benq is about 140$ cheaper... compared to the 1440
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Post by: [ptx] on November 19, 2015, 10:45:22 pm