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Title: I need a new chair... my back hurts.
Post by: Sir_Hans on November 04, 2015, 07:49:56 pm
Ok, my back has convinced me to invest in a new chair for PC gaming and spending hours on a PC...

I've been looking around at reviews on amazon, youtube, google but none of them really seem like thorough/ trustworthy reviews... The majority of them seem like the company doing the review was given chairs by the chair manufacturers and in return the companies gave the chairs good reviews so they would send them more free chairs in the future OR it seems like the chairs they are reviewing only fit people within a certain size...

So I come to you, my beloved community of qualified, freedom loving, unbiased, free thinking chair purchasers and sitters of chairs... Drop some steamy knowledge upon thy chest so that I might become more enlightened.

I'm aiming to spend around 300$-400$ (or less) but might be persuaded to go as high as 600$ max for something that caresses my backside with the tongues of 1000 virgins or a similar feeling.
Also I have a small frame... 5'7'' (yes I'm a midget) and an average build.

Has anyone spent a good deal of time finding the right chair? What worked for you? How much you spend? How much of a difference did you find between your expensive chair and your former cheapy office swivel chairs?

I love you all, lets hold hands as you lead me gently into the land of office chair enlightenment....

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Post by: Torben on November 04, 2015, 07:56:13 pm
I aint a chair expert,  but do sports and you can spend your pc time on a stool
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Post by: Sir_Hans on November 04, 2015, 08:14:11 pm
I aint a chair expert,  but do sports and you can spend your pc time on a stool

Well I don't really like sports games, I'm more into strategy and RPG  :lol:

Nah I swim already 10 hours per week for my job and do some light lifting once in a blue moon... Doing more is such a chore.
Title: Re: I need a new chair... my back hurts.
Post by: Daunt_Flockula on November 04, 2015, 08:45:35 pm
I recently got this one due to the same problem. It is quite comfy. I'd recommend it but it was manufactured by a local brand. Look for the ones that are designed after race car seats. Those may be too expensive though, but they are ergonomic.

One thing worth paying attention is the height of the back rest. My backaches stemmed from it being too high. It was preventing my neck from regaining its natural curve and that took its toll from my entire spine. After I got this, I stopped suffering from the horrible backaches.
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Post by: Molly on November 04, 2015, 08:50:02 pm
Got myself a new one too, couple of weeks ago.
No brand, just one with an adjustable back, that was important to me.

Other than that, try to change the way you sit a little bit every 30 minutes or something. Move your arse around a little. That works for me to avoid any tensions.
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Post by: Krex on November 04, 2015, 09:53:48 pm
Got this one from IKEA... I like it.
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It's called Markus, from what I found on google.
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Post by: Kafein on November 04, 2015, 10:32:40 pm
The best PC chair I've ever had:

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Title: Re: I need a new chair... my back hurts.
Post by: Turkhammer on November 04, 2015, 10:46:35 pm
Put your pc on a raised desk and stand in front of it.  Sitting is one of the worst things for your back.
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Post by: LordBerenger on November 05, 2015, 12:47:27 am
http://www.pcgamer.com/a-year-of-pc-gaming-with-a-standing-desk/
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Post by: Asheram on November 05, 2015, 01:07:24 am
You gotta get this one
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Post by: Angantyr on November 05, 2015, 01:21:43 am
A few weeks ago I bought an office desk with an electric motor so I can raise or lower it at will. I was afraid I wouldn't use it much after finding a sweetspot but this hasn't been the case and I change its height many times a day, depending on how I sit or what I do, including raising it so I can use my PC standing.

Together with it I also bought a new office chair, this time outside my usual price range of around 220USD (this one cost about 400USD) but I can feel the difference in my back, main thing about it is that it is highly customizable so I can adjust it until it fits me just right.

If you're looking for quality my recommendation would be to go directly to an office supplier instead of the usual furniture shop, but remember most of the pressure on your back comes from your bearing; how you sit and not what you sit on.

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Post by: Christo on November 05, 2015, 04:40:00 am
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ugh, looking at that is painful. only a dummy could sit like that for hours
Title: Re: I need a new chair... my back hurts.
Post by: Torben on November 05, 2015, 09:48:21 am
Put your pc on a raised desk and stand in front of it.  Sitting is one of the worst things for your back.

did that during exams.  also do work next to gaming,  and had a standing desk with a huge tv instead of screen.  best setup possible,  and no back probs.  also not joking about sports. sitting is THE sickness of our modern society, nigga pussy ass shit.  but if you get in a good bunch of hours of real healthy motion,  your body can compensate much better for the unhealthy positions our body is forced into these days.

Title: Re: I need a new chair... my back hurts.
Post by: Xant on November 05, 2015, 10:07:54 am
Sitting is completely fine and natural, it's just that the official "how-to-sit" recommendations are NOT natural, like so:

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How would this even have evolved into being a comfortable and natural position to sit in? Humans would have done a whole lot of sitting in the ancestral environment, but where and when would they sit like in the above picture?

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You think these people complain about their back problems? Coincidence? I think not.
Title: Re: I need a new chair... my back hurts.
Post by: Vovka on November 05, 2015, 10:10:40 am
Ok, my back has convinced me to invest in a new chair for PC gaming and spending hours on a PC...

I've been looking around at reviews on amazon, youtube, google but none of them really seem like thorough/ trustworthy reviews... The majority of them seem like the company doing the review was given chairs by the chair manufacturers and in return the companies gave the chairs good reviews so they would send them more free chairs in the future OR it seems like the chairs they are reviewing only fit people within a certain size...

So I come to you, my beloved community of qualified, freedom loving, unbiased, free thinking chair purchasers and sitters of chairs... Drop some steamy knowledge upon thy chest so that I might become more enlightened.

I'm aiming to spend around 300$-400$ (or less) but might be persuaded to go as high as 600$ max for something that caresses my backside with the tongues of 1000 virgins or a similar feeling.
Also I have a small frame... 5'7'' (yes I'm a midget) and an average build.

Has anyone spent a good deal of time finding the right chair? What worked for you? How much you spend? How much of a difference did you find between your expensive chair and your former cheapy office swivel chairs?

I love you all, lets hold hands as you lead me gently into the land of office chair enlightenment....

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http://www.dxracer.com/us/en-us/product/1/pc_gaming_chair/
Title: Re: I need a new chair... my back hurts.
Post by: Xant on November 05, 2015, 10:14:48 am
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Post by: Rhekimos on November 05, 2015, 10:27:14 am
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How many slavs can you fit on the head of a pin?
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Post by: LordBerenger on November 05, 2015, 10:29:39 am

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You think these people complain about their back problems? Coincidence? I think not.

Yes that's why they try to drown themselves and forget the pain with vodka.
Title: Re: I need a new chair... my back hurts.
Post by: Torben on November 05, 2015, 10:39:04 am
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nice!  wanted to post that after your ape pic haha.  there is a whole book about proper shitting culture ^^
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Post by: Asheram on November 05, 2015, 06:23:45 pm
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Post by: Rhekimos on November 05, 2015, 07:43:29 pm
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Post by: Vovka on November 05, 2015, 07:55:23 pm
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Not bad we like it
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Post by: Kafein on November 05, 2015, 09:10:30 pm
This time, not one but two relevant xkcds

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Title: Re: I need a new chair... my back hurts.
Post by: Sir_Hans on November 05, 2015, 10:31:55 pm
lol I watched a review for that reclining desk chair... It got a decent review. The reviewer said he liked to sit upright during the morning or busy periods and then recline later in the day when focusing on a specific task.

Apparently the peripherals like the mouse and keyboard are held in place on the wooden desk part via magnets :)

I'd use it if someone bought it for me :)
Title: Re: I need a new chair... my back hurts.
Post by: Turkhammer on November 05, 2015, 11:03:16 pm
Sitting is completely fine and natural, it's just that the official "how-to-sit" recommendations are NOT natural, like so:

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How would this even have evolved into being a comfortable and natural position to sit in? Humans would have done a whole lot of sitting in the ancestral environment, but where and when would they sit like in the above picture?

Contrast with:
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You think these people complain about their back problems? Coincidence? I think not.

Sitting is the new smoking.

PS they're squatting, not sitting.  Plus humans never sat for 8-10 hours per day until they invented offices.
Title: Re: I need a new chair... my back hurts.
Post by: Xant on November 06, 2015, 03:41:23 am
Plus humans never sat for 8-10 hours per day until they invented offices.
Yes they did. Look at any animals. The vast majority of the time is spent sitting around.
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Post by: Paul on November 06, 2015, 05:50:07 am

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Bottom left is obviously a foreign agent. That shit tier ankle mobility...
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Post by: Asheram on November 06, 2015, 06:47:41 am
Yes they did. Look at any animals. The vast majority of the time is spent sitting around.
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Post by: Xant on November 06, 2015, 11:35:56 am
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Lying on the ground is obviously included in "sitting around", i.e., resting/not doing anything. Sitting is the primate equivalent.

Random search results for "group of apes."

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http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1119282/
Title: Re: I need a new chair... my back hurts.
Post by: Hirlok on November 06, 2015, 12:32:56 pm
Lifting and swimming are of limited use for your core/back.

Since I have started to do very light, but systematic calisthenics training and a little yoga/QiGong-style flexibility stuff ("Peaceful Warrior 3 minute Workout" - Dan Millman, best and most simple sequence ever), my back is totally happy. And I am old and sit on a normal wooden chair, not even a real "office chair".

Also: breathing. Learning to breathe consciously helps a ton with back problems.

And lastly: if you want to go for the quick pill instead - from my corporate slave times I remember those chairs with no back and where your knees are not forced into a right angle, but are bent...("kneeling chair", like the original balans http://www.amazon.com/Variable-Furniture-Original-Kneeling-Crimson/dp/B008VL977C) This type of chair emulates a healthy kneeling/squatting posture and keeps your back engaged and upright. Was the most comfortable type for me back then.
Title: Re: I need a new chair... my back hurts.
Post by: Asheram on November 06, 2015, 06:10:07 pm
Lying on the ground is obviously included in "sitting around", i.e., resting/not doing anything. Sitting is the primate equivalent.

I was agreeing with you. :p
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Post by: Kafein on November 07, 2015, 01:22:22 am
And lastly: if you want to go for the quick pill instead - from my corporate slave times I remember those chairs with no back and where your knees are not forced into a right angle, but are bent...("kneeling chair", like the original balans http://www.amazon.com/Variable-Furniture-Original-Kneeling-Crimson/dp/B008VL977C) This type of chair emulates a healthy kneeling/squatting posture and keeps your back engaged and upright. Was the most comfortable type for me back then.

The most corporate person I know uses exactly the same chair.
Title: Re: I need a new chair... my back hurts.
Post by: Sir_Hans on November 07, 2015, 10:46:19 am
http://www.dxracer.com/us/en-us/product/1/pc_gaming_chair/

Has anyone tried these DXracer chairs????

Everyone streaming on twitch seems to have one... The arm rests look really nice, I saw linustechtips reviewing something similar with same arm rests... they go forward, back, side to side, angle in or angle out and up and down... The back rest looks fairly non-customizable though compared to other $400-$500 chairs.
Nice thing is they do free shipping, which is nice since I'm in hawaii and shipping anything here usually costs a lot of monies... It wouldn't surprise me if their free shipping offer is void if mailing to hawaii though, like amazon prime free-shipping.
Also the DX chairs look a lot better than the crap I saw at office max for roughly the same price.
Downside is I'd feel like such a trendy nerd hipster jumping on dxracer bandwagon...


PS they're squatting, not sitting.  Plus humans never sat for 8-10 hours per day until they invented offices.

What about kings sitting around on a throne for 8-10 hours listening to smucks come in and complain that a dragon torched their children or ate all their goats?
Or how about pilgrims travelling the oregon trail by horse drawn cart/wagon to settle in the western united states?
"Never say never" - justin bieber


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Title: Re: I need a new chair... my back hurts.
Post by: Daunt_Flockula on November 07, 2015, 11:16:44 am
So what if it is trendy? If you have the means, go try one and see if you are comfortable with it. As long as you feel good about getting one, it shouldn't bother you that everyone out there and their mother has one.

However, the 350-450-dollar price range is too much imho. Mine cost me about 50-60 Dollars. I mean you can still get roughly the same comfort and even design at better prices. If you think you can afford it without any problems though, well, go for it. No need to be bothered with the mainstream vibe.
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Post by: Sir_Hans on November 07, 2015, 10:24:33 pm
that's true... I guess my main concern is that people buy them because of the hype or the looks rather than the quality... If they are actually popular because of the construction and comfort I wouldn't mind purchasing one at all.

I got like a 75$ costo office chair and the quality is trash... its like almost all mesh and it has foam padding near the lips of the seat where the mesh stretches over hard plastic... well all the foam padding fell off within a month, The backrest is non adjustable other than adjusting the spring tension on reclining and my arm rests only go up and down... I mean it's not horrendously terrible to sit in, but its quality and construction are definitely at the lower end. When I worked QA testing they had like 400$-500$ chairs and I must say those were not bad to sit in for multiple hours.
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Post by: Angantyr on November 08, 2015, 12:16:01 am
And lastly: if you want to go for the quick pill instead - from my corporate slave times I remember those chairs with no back and where your knees are not forced into a right angle, but are bent...("kneeling chair", like the original balans http://www.amazon.com/Variable-Furniture-Original-Kneeling-Crimson/dp/B008VL977C) This type of chair emulates a healthy kneeling/squatting posture and keeps your back engaged and upright. Was the most comfortable type for me back then.
I can also recommend these.
Title: Re: I need a new chair... my back hurts.
Post by: Sir_Hans on November 10, 2015, 08:28:19 am
but it has no arm rests... My arms will like fall off after a few hours...

PS: look what I found  :shock:
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Post by: LordBerenger on November 10, 2015, 10:39:13 am
but it has no arm rests... My arms will like fall off after a few hours...

PS: look what I found  :shock:
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Can you buy it without the ''chair''?
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Post by: LEKIS on November 10, 2015, 10:40:55 am
Has anyone tried these DXracer chairs????


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I have, they are more good looking than useful.
You get a pillow for your lower back or arch??? (sorry i is veri sweden) but it's does not really do its job.

I would say, get one of those corporate office chairs that have adjusting for all little things.
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I've got a similar both at work and at home and it does its job. heavy as fuck tho'.
Dont have to go for the flagship as I did, spent almost 900$ for mine. but atleast get a chair with adjustable settings for your lower back for gods sake, or your own sake.

If you dont want to go for the "Sensei, no backrest or armrest chairuuuuuu" that is.

Happy hunting!
Title: Re: I need a new chair... my back hurts.
Post by: Overdriven on November 10, 2015, 11:50:57 am
My chair atm:

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Not as bad as it looks. Throw a cushion on the bottom and it's fine for hours.
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Post by: Hirlok on November 10, 2015, 11:55:09 am
but it has no arm rests... My arms will like fall off after a few hours...

PS: look what I found  :shock:
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Exactly what I meant. It obviously will make you more sexy as well. No kidding, chicks dig those chairs.

Not having back/arm rests is exactly the point, they are part of the problem, rarely a solution... :D



P.S.: even better - during work alternate between such a chair and working at a "standing desk", esp. great for creative work, better than slumping away 9 hrs in the same position... the one in the pic is a bit too high, but you get the idea.

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Post by: Angantyr on November 10, 2015, 02:55:00 pm
Not having back/arm rests is exactly the point, they are part of the problem, rarely a solution... :D
Genau. Arm rests are often not ergonomically correct, I had to displace my old office chair for this very reason, as they put a strain on my elbows and shoulders.

Relying on your own muscles is usually a good thing, the best you can do for sitting well is training your back, chin-ups/pull-ups and push-ups are effective and easy exercises for this.


DXRacer looks like something from a kid's room, in my opinion, I think the only reason those Youtubers got it is because they had it for free through some PR stunt.
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Post by: WITCHCRAFT on November 11, 2015, 02:52:40 am
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Title: Re: I need a new chair... my back hurts.
Post by: Sir_Hans on November 11, 2015, 05:45:04 am
Ok well for all of you preaching standing desks or the ergonomic kneeling chairs: answer me this...

How many hours per day do you actually stand use a kneeling chair while on a computer, on average?
Sure standing is best for your back, If you keep good posture, but do you really stand or kneeling chair while doing work/play on a PC for hours??? Be honest!

Something tells me you guys are doing more of a "do as I say, not as I do" approach to this.


@Overdriven
That wooden chair makes my back hurt just looking at it.


I got some buddies that just sit in lazy boy recliners... put the keyboard on their lap and mouse on the arm rest... and use a TV as monitor. I tried it out when I was at their house once... it was kind of funky using mouse on cushiony arm rest and balancing keyboard on lap but I must say it was damn comfortable. :P
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Post by: WITCHCRAFT on November 11, 2015, 06:27:47 am
At work, my department rotates positions on the hour. One hour at the front desk (standing), one hour off-desk (walking around), one hour back desk (sitting). I'm never sore at the end of the day.

When I'm at home at my computer desk, I get up now and then to stretch or do some light exercise. You can have a $25 Walmart chair and be fine if you stay at least a little bit active. It's really easy when you're playing any kind of game like CRPG with "rounds." When you're dead just get up and stretch. Do some body weight exercises. Spend 10 bux on a dumbbell and do curls.

Online shooters and MMORPGs have lots of downtime while you are dead/travelling. It's super easy to fit some exercise in there while you wait. You don't need to do a full workout, just get active for 30 seconds before you plop your but down and pwn noobs for another 15 minutes.

If you're browsing internet or doing office work, you have no reason not to get up and move a little now and then.

It costs more willpower but costs less money! Buy an "acceptable" chair instead of a perfect one and just move you'are body!!!!
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Post by: Sir_Hans on November 11, 2015, 06:50:13 am
At work, my department rotates positions on the hour. One hour at the front desk (standing), one hour off-desk (walking around), one hour back desk (sitting). I'm never sore at the end of the day.

When I'm at home at my computer desk, I get up now and then to stretch or do some light exercise. You can have a $25 Walmart chair and be fine if you stay at least a little bit active. It's really easy when you're playing any kind of game like CRPG with "rounds." When you're dead just get up and stretch. Do some body weight exercises. Spend 10 bux on a dumbbell and do curls.

Online shooters and MMORPGs have lots of downtime while you are dead/travelling. It's super easy to fit some exercise in there while you wait. You don't need to do a full workout, just get active for 30 seconds before you plop your but down and pwn noobs for another 15 minutes.

If you're browsing internet or doing office work, you have no reason not to get up and move a little now and then.

It costs more willpower but costs less money! Buy an "acceptable" chair instead of a perfect one and just move you'are body!!!!

Yes this is good advice, but I already do this to a limited extent...
I take breaks and exercise a few times per day when I sit a lot at the PC, it definitely does help keep your back from dying for long sits. There is a huge difference between having little exercise breaks in a long gaming session or not moving out of the chair for 4 hours...

Exercising and taking frequent breaks does help save my back... But it doesn't make an uncomfortable chair, comfortable. my 75$ costco chair is shit :/ worse than others I've purchased for less in the past...
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Post by: Hirlok on November 12, 2015, 01:30:48 am

How many hours per day do you actually stand use a kneeling chair while on a computer, on average?
Sure standing is best for your back, If you keep good posture, but do you really stand or kneeling chair while doing work/play on a PC for hours??? Be honest!


even back then I did not spend my entire 90h week glued to my desk - taking breaks, lie down on the floor and meditate on a wicked marketing idea, exercise, etc...
But my ass had a LOT of contact with that Balans copy I was using, and it was the best at that time for me.

Standing desk is shit for computer work or playing (keyboard/mouse) imo, but for (hand)writing, drawing, tablet use, reading, etc. it is hard to beat.

right now I sit on a wooden chair pretty much like the one posted earlier, and it does NOT hurt if you do something for your back and have a not-entirely-skinny butt :D
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Post by: WITCHCRAFT on November 12, 2015, 02:01:52 am
my 75$ costco chair is shit :/ worse than others I've purchased for less in the past...

yeah i hate ~$100 ish "computer chairs" that are uncomfortable and fall apart in 6 months

i got an office chair from work that was like 10 years older than i am for free, it was being thrown out

so sturdy and comfortable compared to a faux leather walmart chair with arm rests
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Post by: Kafein on November 12, 2015, 09:11:40 am
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Sounds like the name of Dracula's insurance broker.
Title: Re: I need a new chair... my back hurts.
Post by: Angantyr on November 12, 2015, 02:26:24 pm
Ok well for all of you preaching standing desks or the ergonomic kneeling chairs: answer me this...

How many hours per day do you actually stand use a kneeling chair while on a computer, on average?
Sure standing is best for your back, If you keep good posture, but do you really stand or kneeling chair while doing work/play on a PC for hours??? Be honest!

Something tells me you guys are doing more of a "do as I say, not as I do" approach to this.
I argued for a motor-driven desk so you can raise it at will, you shouldn't get a standing desk only.

http://www.inventarland.dk/moebler-og-tilbehoer/kontormoebler/kontormoebelsaet/haeve-saenkebord-90x180cm/
http://www.inventarland.dk/moebler-og-tilbehoer/kontormoebler/skriveborde/haeve-saenkeborde/

Concerning the kneeling chair then I had a friend who used one most of his youth, and he was a pretty serious gamer. I've tried it multiple times and it was comfortable.

But I'd still argue for these types of customizable office chairs instead, you can sit in it like on a kneeling chair but also in many other positions, including leaning back and relaxing. They may not look like much but it's solid quality, if a bit pricey.

http://www.inventarland.dk/moebler-og-tilbehoer/kontorstole/mest-solgte-kontorstole/canadian-ergo/ (if you click one of the products there's a little presentation video)