I can vouch. I was in the Acre Teamspeak when this was all being discussed. Bauer had a bunch of shitty gear and sold it to some random fief. Shortly afterwards, there was general consensus that Bauer should raid the castle, as it had no troops to defend it. There was no malice beyond trying to get easy gear from an undefended castle. Never did I hear the phrase, "gearbomb" until today, when everyone started accusing them of doing so.You can only do one ban poll per person in a server, and Schoi only did one poll so I dont see how he was trying to get everyone banned. And why would they tell you, a no name player who isn't in their faction or in their clan about their plans to cheat vs another faction? The raiding didn't happen until AFTER any of the gear bombing situations occurred so you being there for that recent conversation doesn't change anything.
There is zero proof that anybody has taken advantage of any bugs or exploits with malicious intent (Unless you count Schoi trying to get us all banned during the fight).
You can only do one ban poll per person in a server, and Schoi only did one poll so I dont see how he was trying to get everyone banned. And why would they tell you, a no name player who isn't in their faction or in their clan about their plans to cheat vs another faction? The raiding didn't happen until AFTER any of the gear bombing situations occurred so you being there for that recent conversation doesn't change anything.Well, I didn't see who did the ban requests. I heard that Schoi was banned after the battle for it, though.
Well, I didn't see who did the ban requests. I heard that Schoi was banned after the battle for it, though.Why would I expose heroes who tried to stop a bunch of cheaters?
There were at least three ban requests. Maybe we should open up some more ban threads. Got any names?
Well, I didn't see who did the ban requests. I heard that Schoi was banned after the battle for it, though.
There were at least three ban requests. Maybe we should open up some more ban threads. Got any names?
Why would I expose heroes who tried to stop a bunch of cheaters?
I thought you were alright, Tristan. Apparently you think we're cheating even though we've been trapped in two fiefs defending ourselves for months. Sounds like hardcore cheating to me.Trapped with the biggest NA clan and over 25k troops? You guys easily have the merc pool to take fiefs legit and refuse too.
Why would I expose heroes who tried to stop a bunch of cheaters?Maybe because they aren't the heroes you think they are; they're cheaters who exploited a community management tool in order to win. Not only is that morally wrong on it's own, but to do it in retaliation for unproven crimes is sickening. If anyone broke the rules, ban thread them, don't cheat back at them.
Maybe because they aren't the heroes you think they are; they're cheaters who exploited a community management tool in order to win. Not only is that morally wrong on it's own, but to do it in retaliation for unproven crimes is sickening. If anyone broke the rules, ban thread them, don't cheat back at them.Lol people tried to get them banned but James just abused his mod powers to unban them almost immediately. The fact that you're defending Acre, a bunch of known cheaters is sickening.
The fact that you're defending them only proves how much of a dirtbag you are, too.
It was my understanding that Dupre unbanned us. =/Because James used his mod powers to cry to him like likkl babby
The fact that you're defending Acre, a bunch of known cheaters is sickening.If they've cheated, it was not in my presence, nor have I even heard of any.
If they've cheated, it was not in my presence, nor have I even heard of any.No one cheated as far as I can see on my side. They used a community moderated system to get rid of cheaters. How is that wrong in any way?
So if you're sickened by me supporting people that I have seen do no wrong, then you aren't hitting yourself in the head hard enough.
Also, are you sickened by your own cheater-supporting, or are you just using my own words in a way to paint me as the one with double standards? Because I think that plan just backfired.
Well, what would you do if your clan members were banned? =/if they were cheaters I wouldn't get them unbanned and let them serve their sentence
No one cheated as far as I can see on my side. They used a community moderated system to get rid of cheaters. How is that wrong in any way? if they were cheaters I wouldn't get them unbanned and let them serve their sentence
Strange, these accidental glitches seem to be happening a lot... to the fiefs HCE choose to attack.
What was the nature of that glitch again? How easy would it be to defend Durquba without gear?
No one cheated as far as I can see on my side. They used a community moderated system to get rid of cheaters. How is that wrong in any way?It was wrong because it was after the fact. Ex post facto. Nobody had cheated in that battle, so there was no reason to ban anybody from it. If there was suspected cheating on the strat map, then a ban thread would be the appropriate method of justice. Waiting to ban someone under circumstances that would also heavily benefit yourself is corrupt and immoral and I will continue to condemn it, even if Acre is proven to have cheated in the past. This situation on its own is a gross abuse of the game's justice system.
It was wrong because it was after the fact. Ex post facto. Nobody had cheated in that battle, so there was no reason to ban anybody from it. If there was suspected cheating on the strat map, then a ban thread would be the appropriate method of justice. Waiting to ban someone under circumstances that would also heavily benefit yourself is corrupt and immoral and I will continue to condemn it, even if Acre is proven to have cheated in the past. This situation on its own is a gross abuse of the game's justice system.They cheated before the battle to ensure that the defenders had no gear to use. Why would we use a ban thread and then lose the battle when we could take care of the offenders during the battle and win?
Nah Heskey, haven't you heard? Acre can't ever be gear bugged they are too good at it and experts at strategus. Yet also at the same time somehow noobs...
I talked to Louie on steam during the battle. He was completely baffled by what was going on. Why is this all coming up after I raid Largos' undefended fief?
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I talked to Louie on steam during the battle. He was completely baffled by what was going on. Why is this all coming up after I raid Largos' undefended fief?Could be they didn't want you banned and decided to defeat you legit, and then you started raiding like scum
They cheated before the battleProof?
I notice that this thread is turning into a hating-on-Acre circle-jerk, with Tristan as the middle bitch.
Less than two months ago, when I first started playing - at your suggestion, Tristan - we always hung out in the Acre TS, and we were mercenaries for them quite a bit.
If they're such notorious cheaters, why would you introduce a new player to them? Why would you, yourself associate with them?
Maybe it's because you never did have a problem with Acre, and you're just hopping on the hate-on-acre bandwagon so you can feel like you belong again, after I left your shitty faction.
Think about it. The leaders of HCE, the true HCE, have left. The Emperor was even disgusted and left himself. There is no Empire. The 4/6 of the founding members have left the Empire. I've left. Not so Innocent Virgin has left. Blue has left. Bryggan has left. Every clan that was in it that isn't Acre has left. At this point its pretty obvious who is in the wrong. You steam roll anyone who tries to help you and deny any other plan than your own. You appoint people to positions and then over ride every decision they make. You drive people away who just want to help. Its not a mystery why everyone has left except maybe to you. At one point I really truly wanted to believe in the Holy chadzian Empire and you destroyed the dream by refusing to work with any of the other leaders. Whenever we came up with a plan, no one was shocked when Acre didn't hold up with their end of the plan. As long as they can sit in their city and farm troops. There is no We anymore. Theres just you(as in Acre).
You're even driving away you're on clan mates at this point because of the cheating. Its not hard to see who is in the wrong.
Proof?
Oh, you have none?
Then you're the lynch mob, in this scenario, and you have dragged us from the jail to hang without a trial. Bravo, Tristan. Very just.
Why is raiding so taboo? It's an option and I used it. The objective of this small campaign was to make money. I wasn't going to leave empty handed. It's Largos' fault he shoved all his troops into the population. If he had just left his army outside I would have had no reason to raid him. Why the hell would I want that garbage castle after I saw what it looked like? I'd have gotten the hell out of there, totally defeated.Well, besides the fact that HCE strong armed every other faction into barring raiding months back is a pretty big sign that people are against it.
Lol, sure kid. Shitty faction, thats why I my faction has out performed Acre and HCE in almost every single way shape and form, or when it was literally just me and Rando we somehow managed to do more things on the strat map than the 30 man faction, and how basically by myself I managed to get rank 3 on the renown leader boards. And I was in HCE, and they were good people until all the good people left and now what remains are cheater and scum. The good cool players were people like W0lf and Cassander. However the entire faction is now trolls such as Bauer and Froi. You have literally no idea what you're talking about here. You're coming in with about a weeks worth of knowledge to about a year+ of history.
Copy and pasting my post from earlier today. I did want to believe that acre could be a good faction and for a long time it was. This blatant cheating however has changed my mind.
Where's your proof they didn't?
Well, besides the fact that HCE strong armed every other faction into barring raiding months back is a pretty big sign that people are against it.
Lol, sure kid. Shitty faction, thats why I my faction has out performed Acre and HCE in almost every single way shape and form, or when it was literally just me and Rando we somehow managed to do more things on the strat map than the 30 man faction, and how basically by myself I managed to get rank 3 on the renown leader boards. And I was in HCE, and they were good people until all the good people left and now what remains are cheater and scum. The good cool players were people like W0lf and Cassander. However the entire faction is now trolls such as Bauer and Froi. You have literally no idea what you're talking about here. You're coming in with about a weeks worth of knowledge to about a year+ of history.Outperformed HCE? With a clan full of your alts and inactive people? I definitely believe that.
blatant cheatingAgain you say they're cheating with no proof.
Where's your proof they didn't?That's not how the burden of proof works, dumbass. If you make an assertion, you need to back it up with evidence, not demand that others prove you wrong. Regardless, they never had a chance to defend themselves, as they didn't hear the accusation until the battle already stated and ban polls were going up.
Outperformed HCE? With a clan full of your alts and inactive people? I definitely believe that.I only have two characters I play on, so i dont see how thats how I have a clan full of alts... Also, clan=/=faction dumbass. Learn how Strategus works if you want to talk shit. Come back after you've done something besides go 1:40 in strat fights and we can have a serious conversation about this.
Again you say they're cheating with no proof.
That's not how the burden of proof works, dumbass. If you make an assertion, you need to back it up with evidence, not demand that others prove you wrong. Regardless, they never had a chance to defend themselves, as they didn't hear the accusation until the battle already stated and ban polls were going up.
I only have two characters I play on, so i dont see how thats how I have a clan full of alts... Also, clan=/=faction dumbass. Learn how Strategus works if you want to talk shit. Come back after you've done something besides go 1:40 in strat fights and we can have a serious conversation about this.If you're going to ignore my post and only point out that I used the wrong word way back on page one, then get out. You've lost the argument.
If you're going to ignore my post and only point out that I used the wrong word way back on page one, then get out. You've lost the argument.
"I'm uninformed and dont know how things work therefore you're wrong"Fixed
They gearbuged themselves last night, btw. They had construction material inside the fief. If you have anything in the fief it won't give you the peasant gear.Uhm, except we didn't have construction material?
If you're new to cRPG forums i have to warn you, dont treat a debate/argument here like you would IRL.
The point is, HCE were adamant and vehemently enforced a zero-tolerance policy on raiding under their old leadership. And regardless of NA shittalk with each other they always obeyed the golden rule 'never raid', the population's too low and there are too many fiefs. Raiding was considered a bitch-move and everyone acted like it was no longer an option in the game (and punished anyone who mistakenly raided).
Now that HCE are almost entirely run and populated by Acre that gentleman's agreement is suddenly out the window because it suddenly suits them. Can you really be surprised that the other factions that adhered to the 'No Raiding' rules are a bit pissed off when they find themselves suddenly on the receiving side of this?
Sometimes i hear the accusation that threads become an 'anti-acre circlejerk', well, if you had to guess a single NA faction to completely ignore a rule that benefited them in the past because it suits them to break that rule now, which faction would that be? Usually, the one with Acre in. I think a lot of people give Acre the benefit of the doubt, until they spend more time on the forums and reach their own conclusion.
Uhm, except we didn't have construction material?
You were throwing something at us, bud.
We took your construction material from your stack and threw that at you
If you're new to cRPG forums i have to warn you, dont treat a debate/argument here like you would IRL.What would you suggest? Should I go with name-calling?
Honestly though what would you guys have done in our situation. During the field battle yesterday i asked bauer if largos was ready to attack since he had 1500 troops nearby, only to hear bauer tell me he turned them all into pop. Honestly idk why legos did this when he could have attacked bauer and outnumbered him. It is a dick move, but please look at it from our perspective. He couldve easily attacked bauer and outnumbered him but he decided to turn it into pop. So yes acre is full of dicks and we are all fuckboys, but please try not to freak out so much.Hmm. Why would a faction with the ability to attack not do so? I would have to ask you guys. Also if you remember correctly, you guys are the only ones who have raided. What we would have done in your situation is either attack with a normal siege or not attack. What we wouldn't do is break the rule we originally set up and raid. But that's ok, we already knew how scummy care leadership is.
Honestly though what would you guys have done in our situation. During the field battle yesterday i asked bauer if largos was ready to attack since he had 1500 troops nearby, only to hear bauer tell me he turned them all into pop. Honestly idk why legos did this when he could have attacked bauer and outnumbered him. It is a dick move, but please look at it from our perspective. He couldve easily attacked bauer and outnumbered him but he decided to turn it into pop. So yes acre is full of dicks and we are all fuckboys, but please try not to freak out so much?
Froi said you guys threw something at him at the start of the battle. It's whatever. We're probably wrong on this.Yeah at the start of the battle we went over to the construction pile and pulled some out and threw them at him...
Yeah at the start of the battle we went over to the construction pile and pulled some out and threw them at him...
Once is happenstance. Twice is coincidence. Three times, it's enemy action.
A) Raiding has been the one rule that all of NA could agree on for a long time... we "tried" to not gank or ninja roster, but "accidents" happened and it proved to be nonpunishable. Raiding however, that is easy to punish. For instance when the Berserks initially got back into this strat they raided HCE. HoC, upholding our end of the agreement, merced FOR HCE, our enemies at the time, AGAINST the Berserks, our friends at the time. Much of the community also partook in this public shaming and they learned their lesson after getting stomped in the subsequent battle/siege. The fact that we have never once raided anyone and have even gone so far as to merc on the "wrong side" in a battle or two to keep this "law" in place shows how dedicated HoC has been to keeping strat fun. Raiding is still just a shitty mechanic that rewards people who would rather "win" than have real battles and actual fun. There is no reason why you (or anyone in Acre) can't give back the raided gear after the raid goes down if you truly feel sorry for breaking the rules. Otherwise playing the "I am new and don't know things" card doesn't seem all that convincing.
B) Acre has used this abusive "gear bugging" tactic against other targets, so it isn't just HoC calling for your heads. Kalmar Union and now the Black Knights get to join us on that lovely pedestal. So this isn't just some massive Anti-Acre HoC conspiracy where we intentionally gear bug ourselves and lose each and every fief that has been attacked thus far. Every defending faction has always had peasant gear at their disposal for the entirety of this strat. What is more likely, the core mechanics of strat decide to suddenly change (after being neglected by the devs for over a year), or something fishy is going on with all of these HCE attacks?
C) Bruttus, regardless of whatever beef you may have with us, I don't quite see how being the "laughing stock of NA" waaay waay back some 3 years ago has any influence on current events. Did we abuse known exploits to garner the rest of the community's hate? No, we were mostly all noobs at the time who were picked on simply for sucking. Oh no, we're so bad! Then we did go and declare war on basically the entire NA server, so there is that. But it's far better to quit strat in a blaze of glory (that actually provides battles for people) than to start cheating your way to the top (in a manner that deprives people of the only fun thing about strat).
D) If the Acre guy(s) who call all the shots are actually human beings, then maybe they would actually prioritize fun while playing a game. But it seems that instead of approaching KU/BK/HoC and saying "Hey guys, that was pretty shitty that you didn't even get a fighting chance that battle, if you promise not to change anything we'll transfer the fief back to you lads so we can try this properly a second time, alright?" that Acre would rather break the community-established rules, and the actually enforceable rules of strat just to try and "win." Seriously, that is straight up petty and pathetic. We shouldn't come to expect anything else from them after they refused to return the KU's gear from when the servers died and the battles never happened, but one could hope. I have faith that literally any other faction that had such "coincidental glitches" happening during their battles would have chosen the correct path, not the game-killing one... unless they weren't glitches and were more than a coincidence.
Can an admin check that?
It's easy to "verfiy" without admin.
Just take an image of your crpg inbox. Every battle has one. If not, I believe DUPRE(?) can find it and post it publicly
Last I heard dupre has no access to anything involving strat
Last I heard dupre has no access to anything involving strat
TBH
I'm pretty fair and reliable judge. Lets do this the old fashioned way. Answer my questions publicly (particularly the last one) and lets get this all cleared up. I believe the people in question are Largos and Bauer, but I am only privy to what I can read.
1) Was the owner of the fief in the fief? (Y/N?)
2) Dependent on 1, did the owner verify peasant gear before battle started(or gear at all?)
3) When was the last time the fief was managed?
4) At Previous instance of management, what gear was in there?
5) Acre player: Please post the post game battle log that you have received from both the raid, and the subsequent "gearless" battle.
I might have more later, but this should start "handling" the affair, publicly, and hopefully fairly.
Man,
No one believe in innocent until proven guilty?
Sigh.
In this community I believe in guilty until proven innocent
Nice triple post my old friendgot. Of course a cheater would say they dont cheat :rolleyes:
In this community I believe in guilty until proven innocent
Man,
No one believe in innocent until proven guilty?
Sigh.
I believe the suspicion is,
If you put equipment in a fief it'll register 'Oh, this fief has gear' and spawn no free peasant shit. But as described, this normally means you have whatever broken shit the attacker gave you before the battle.
*BUT*
There's a known issue with the peasant gear whereby if you put trade goods in the fief instead of gear, it'll still register 'Oh, this fief has gear' and spawn no free peasant shit. Fief is too dumb to know what's gear and what isnt, it thinks goods are gear so gives no freebies. Ofc this then means defenders have literally nothing.
To test that this is all still the case I plan to attack Nova Aab:
1. When it's got *nothing* inside, no gear and no goods, test if free peasant gear still exists.
2. When it has goods inside but no gear, test if free peasant gear spawns or not.
3. Someone suggested I raid and see if i get the trade goods i put in it. No idea why but sounds fun.
If peasant gear no longer exists that's one thing, it doesnt necessarily prove that the attacker is innocent of trying to bomb in this way if this is a new unknown change, but it does mean it no longer matters either way.
#3(BOLDED) Why?When you raid, you get goods from the fief. I actually have proof of this: Here is a screen shot of the battle thing from when I raided Jameyyed Castle way back in January. Direct your attention to the very first thing on the list.
If at any point in time someone transferred trade goods to fief and owner never transferred goods away, then, as was stated, Bauer raided. If the Raid did not take out the trade goods that were in there with the original equipment, then that means that on the second attack, the goods would still be in fief.
Therefore, assuming that if you have goods in fief, then after the raid, not only did you lose all gear, but you would have nothing on second attack because of the fact that goods didn't get removed like normal gear.
When you raid, you get goods from the fief. I actually have proof of this: Here is a screen shot of the battle thing from when I raided Jameyyed Castle way back in January. Direct your attention to the very first thing on the list.(click to show/hide)
If u raid something and the raiding army wins, they get all the equipment and goods but not the gold
Ok update on my behalf. I have spoken with Bauer and he said he had deleted the logs from the battle with no gear. Due to this i have decided that if heskey's test or a dev confirms that peasant gear still works, he will be kicked from acre and HCE and shall be open to prosecution by admins. I hope we can all just figure this out and stop with all this drama.
W0lf you're the best <3TY bb <3
Gg Acre caught abusing nighttime settings to the fullest better ban em all.
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Yep, just changed (again) for me too. chadz sure is trying to mess with us.It's all clear now. chadz has masterminded this entire situation to prepare for Eurovasion 2.0. With HoC and Acre at each other's throats there will be no unified force to stop the sudden attack of the high-ping paladins, and a new EU reign will begin over NA strat. OPEN YOURE EYES SHEEPLE!! SEE THE REAL CONSPIRACY!
It's all clear now. chadz has masterminded this entire situation to prepare for Eurovasion 2.0. With HoC and Acre at each other's throats there will be no unified force to stop the sudden attack of the high-ping paladins, and a new EU reign will begin over NA strat. OPEN YOURE EYES SHEEPLE!! SEE THE REAL CONSPIRACY!Can confirm a gay angel of chadz came to me and told me the truth does that make me senpai of HCE now? If so my first order is for Matthew to bow down and to kiss my ass.
also obama is a proven lizard-man.