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cRPG => Suggestions Corner => Game Balance Discussion => Topic started by: SP1N on September 20, 2015, 05:20:49 pm

Title: Why aren't the Great Lances 3 slots?
Post by: SP1N on September 20, 2015, 05:20:49 pm
It only makes sense. They're nearly as long as a Long Spear, and 2.5x the weight.
You can even throw the strength requirement back down to 13, I just don't understand how these things are still only 2 slots.
Title: Re: Why aren't the Great Lances 3 slots?
Post by: BlackxBird on September 27, 2015, 04:22:59 pm
because u can easily carry a poleaxe or something with u when u use a great lance. The pike is really long. U know that position ingame when u use a longspear or pike? Would be pretty hard to use a 2slot weapon on the back in addition to that.
Title: Re: Why aren't the Great Lances 3 slots?
Post by: Nightingale on September 28, 2015, 09:55:34 am
It only makes sense. They're nearly as long as a Long Spear, and 2.5x the weight.
You can even throw the strength requirement back down to 13, I just don't understand how these things are still only 2 slots.

You mean to tell me for the 3 years I've been running around on my alt scilla.. that it wasn't 3 slots? What the hell. I've always thought it was... gf me. Tbvh it should be 3 slots thou.
Title: Re: Why aren't the Great Lances 3 slots?
Post by: Tristan_of_Erzoth on September 28, 2015, 10:59:30 am
as long as it gets a pretty big damage boost so it can actually kill people without needing 10+ riding on a +3 courser sure
Title: Re: Why aren't the Great Lances 3 slots?
Post by: MURDERTRON on September 28, 2015, 04:21:05 pm
As stupid as great lances are, it is a way lesser issue than what we are looking at with 0 slot bolts.  Great lances are completely useless on foot, plus back in the day jousters still carried a longsword or sword and shield while jousting.
Title: Re: Why aren't the Great Lances 3 slots?
Post by: Yeldur on September 28, 2015, 08:24:16 pm
as long as it gets a pretty big damage boost so it can actually kill people without needing 10+ riding on a +3 courser sure

Correct me if I'm wrong, but Great Lances can only couch, and couch lancing is undoubtedly the largest source of damage you can possibly do in the game.

So.. Why does it need a buff again? I mean it can instakill virtually any archer, and almost kill a person in full armour that requires 20+ STR to use.
Title: Re: Why aren't the Great Lances 3 slots?
Post by: Tristan_of_Erzoth on September 28, 2015, 09:06:06 pm
Correct me if I'm wrong, but Great Lances can only couch, and couch lancing is undoubtedly the largest source of damage you can possibly do in the game.

So.. Why does it need a buff again? I mean it can instakill virtually any archer, and almost kill a person in full armour that requires 20+ STR to use.
IDK, probably because the last time I did cav it would take 3-4 couched lances to kill about anyone and you would RARELY one hit someone in no armor
Title: Re: Why aren't the Great Lances 3 slots?
Post by: Yeldur on September 28, 2015, 09:08:36 pm
If it rarely hits someone that's down to the persons aim, not the lance.
If they can't land the couch lance then that's their problem, not the damage of it or anything.
Title: Re: Why aren't the Great Lances 3 slots?
Post by: Tristan_of_Erzoth on September 28, 2015, 09:20:20 pm
If it rarely hits someone that's down to the persons aim, not the lance.
If they can't land the couch lance then that's their problem, not the damage of it or anything.
When did I say anything about missing?
Title: Re: Why aren't the Great Lances 3 slots?
Post by: Bjord on September 28, 2015, 09:35:38 pm
Because fuck you that's why.
Title: Re: Why aren't the Great Lances 3 slots?
Post by: Admerius on September 28, 2015, 10:39:26 pm
Because fuck you that's why.

Argumentum ad FUCK YOU'um=+1
Title: Re: Why aren't the Great Lances 3 slots?
Post by: mcdeath on September 28, 2015, 10:43:57 pm
Correct me if I'm wrong, but Great Lances can only couch, and couch lancing is undoubtedly the largest source of damage you can possibly do in the game.

So.. Why does it need a buff again? I mean it can instakill virtually any archer, and almost kill a person in full armour that requires 20+ STR to use.

I was level 10 with no stats and survived a couch lance.
Title: Re: Why aren't the Great Lances 3 slots?
Post by: Yeldur on September 29, 2015, 12:13:49 am
You see I would believe you, but I know it's a load of crap, so, there you have it.
Title: Re: Why aren't the Great Lances 3 slots?
Post by: mcdeath on September 29, 2015, 12:16:39 am
You see I would believe you, but I know it's a load of crap, so, there you have it.

When was the last time you played jousting cav?
Title: Re: Why aren't the Great Lances 3 slots?
Post by: Yeldur on September 29, 2015, 12:21:37 am
If you're implying I need to play cav to know the damage it deals you are an idiot, if you just failed to word the sentence, then it's more understandable.
I've been hit by a lance in full plated armour and it left me at 1/4 health, my build was 24/20
And I had roughly 8 IF.

That is the damage I EXPECT from a lance. Because someone on a horse riding to you at max speed with a lance pointed at you is going to fucking hurt.
But you saying "wel i was lvl tehn an i din di from lanc" is utter crap, and even if it was, it will have been ages ago that it would have been the case, due to you having to be lvl 25 when you start a new account now (Or it's lvl 20, can't remember precisely)

Either way, your comment is irrelevant.

I'm saying Great Lances do NOT need a buff to go along with the 3 slots thing due to the fact that they are already incredibly strong.
Title: Re: Why aren't the Great Lances 3 slots?
Post by: mcdeath on September 29, 2015, 12:31:29 am
If you're implying I need to play cav to know the damage it deals you are an idiot, if you just failed to word the sentence, then it's more understandable.
I've been hit by a lance in full plated armour and it left me at 1/4 health, my build was 24/20
And I had roughly 8 IF.

That is the damage I EXPECT from a lance. Because someone on a horse riding to you at max speed with a lance pointed at you is going to fucking hurt.
But you saying "wel i was lvl tehn an i din di from lanc" is utter crap, and even if it was, it will have been ages ago that it would have been the case, due to you having to be lvl 25 when you start a new account now (Or it's lvl 20, can't remember precisely)

Either way, your comment is irrelevant.

I'm saying Great Lances do NOT need a buff to go along with the 3 slots thing due to the fact that they are already incredibly strong.

First of all I was never saying it needed a buff.
Second, I retired one of my alts yesterday and you don't automatically start off at 25 when you retire.
Third, couch lances do damage based off of speed bonus (obviously) and I was running away from the horse and had a slight uphill advantage.
Fourth, if you are actually getting hit by couch lances then you are garbage.
Title: Re: Why aren't the Great Lances 3 slots?
Post by: Yeldur on September 29, 2015, 12:39:14 am
First of all I was never saying it needed a buff.
Second, I retired one of my alts yesterday and you don't automatically start off at 25 when you retire.
Third, couch lances do damage based off of speed bonus (obviously) and I was running away from the horse and had a slight uphill advantage.
Fourth, if you are actually getting hit by couch lances then you are garbage.

1: I'm well aware of that, I was telling you what I was saying, not saying that you said it.
2: Either way, you don't start at a low level, you start above 15, that's for sure.
3: And there you have it, the bit you failed to explain in the first place, of course he'll not do damage if he's going up a bloody hill, I'm talking in refence to a horse on a relatively flat surface, coming at you and hitting you.
4: Again with the bullshit, everyone's been hit by a couched lance at some point, calling me "garbage" because of that really doesn't make a difference to how I play or anything, so go ahead buddy, continue the arrogant attitude ;)
Title: Re: Why aren't the Great Lances 3 slots?
Post by: Tristan_of_Erzoth on September 29, 2015, 12:43:01 am
1: I'm well aware of that, I was telling you what I was saying, not saying that you said it.
2: Either way, you don't start at a low level, you start above 15, that's for sure.
3: And there you have it, the bit you failed to explain in the first place, of course he'll not do damage if he's going up a bloody hill, I'm talking in refence to a horse on a relatively flat surface, coming at you and hitting you.
4: Again with the bullshit, everyone's been hit by a couched lance at some point, calling me "garbage" because of that really doesn't make a difference to how I play or anything, so go ahead buddy, continue the arrogant attitude ;)
Have you ever retired? You definitely start at level 1.
Title: Re: Why aren't the Great Lances 3 slots?
Post by: Yeldur on September 29, 2015, 12:57:29 am
I have retired, and I don't remember starting at level one the last time I did.
Maybe I'm thinking of something else

I know that you start at lvl 20-25 for something, I can't remember what for though.
Title: Re: Why aren't the Great Lances 3 slots?
Post by: Tristan_of_Erzoth on September 29, 2015, 01:05:31 am
I have retired, and I don't remember starting at level one the last time I did.
Maybe I'm thinking of something else

I know that you start at lvl 20-25 for something, I can't remember what for though.
making new characters you start at level 25
Title: Re: Why aren't the Great Lances 3 slots?
Post by: mcdeath on September 29, 2015, 01:09:51 am
Arguing this is pretty retarded considering we're both pretty arrogant in this case.
I did in fact retire yesterday and my character was set to level one. You do level up rather quickly now and when you create a new character it automatically starts at level 25.
Title: Re: Why aren't the Great Lances 3 slots?
Post by: Yeldur on September 29, 2015, 10:32:07 pm
Yeah that was my bad, apologies for my mis-information, got the levels mixed up  :mrgreen:
Title: Re: Why aren't the Great Lances 3 slots?
Post by: Mr.K. on September 30, 2015, 02:36:53 pm
Couches seem more dependent on speed bonus than any other attack. Stabbing a person running away from you is going to deal a lot more damage than couching him. Great lance will 100% kill anyone not in full plate if he's not moving.